Jesslfar
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Post by Jesslfar on Mar 13, 2018 19:05:43 GMT -6
Eh, he knew what he signed up for. He got a Duggar house, vacations, massive donations for his missionary work, furniture etc. In other reality shows he would only be paid around $2-3k for an appearance which all of that would equal out to. I watch other reality tv and that is what the side kicks on shows like Teen Mom make. I agree that JimB owes his adult children some money because they are all brainwashed and I'm not sure how legal it is if you barely have an education and your parents force you into a contract no matter how old you are. The spouses all signed up for this. IME kids from small broken homes will see the huge family and all the "love" and really fall in love with that vs the actual individual. Then down the road they get tired of it and either leave or go a little crazy. My guess is he is now in it and realizes what a shit show they really are and is thinking this is a terrible mistake. So I just wouldn't be shocked if he is the one that finally breaks the silence. You are right about the spouses and contracts though. He should have known better. I think he will spill because he has no filter and is always making social media comments like his one that spilled about the baby being in the NICU because he thinks TLC chips in on medical bills. I am not aware of other shows paying for medical bills except for rehabs and that is only when they make a deal with the facility in exchange for showing the name and filming. His expectations vs reality are what will undo all of this since he knows it all but JB can't control him and he is too dumb to not spill it all on SM.
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Post by reginaphalange8 on Mar 13, 2018 19:19:36 GMT -6
And not just large babies, but large babies ultimately ending in c-sections for a decent portion of the already producing J. Duggar generation. It’s time for a reality check if they still think a midwife attended homebirth is even halfway reasonable at this point. * honestly I have no idea how many of this generation has ended up needing a c-section so I might be wrong but it feels like it’s been more than “average” Joy and Jill x2. Jessa had 2 vaginal home births, but hemorrhaged after her first and had to be transported to the hospital (via ambulance). So 4 of 5 started at home and ended in the hospital, 3 as c/s. This doesn't include Anna who had at least 3 successful home births. Biologically, she's not a Duggar but abides by the same practices. I don't know about the last two. I will be giving birth in a hospital.
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Post by smiley on Mar 13, 2018 19:23:17 GMT -6
I wonder how many of Michelle’s hospital births started as home births.
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Post by frantastic on Mar 13, 2018 19:27:04 GMT -6
Joy and Jill x2. Jessa had 2 vaginal home births, but hemorrhaged after her first and had to be transported to the hospital (via ambulance). So 4 of 5 started at home and ended in the hospital, 3 as c/s. This doesn't include Anna who had at least 3 successful home births. Biologically, she's not a Duggar but abides by the same practices. I don't know about the last two. I will be giving birth in a hospital. Yeah, I was just more referring to the Duggar daughters, since they appear to have inherited Michelle's large baby traits.
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Post by frantastic on Mar 13, 2018 19:30:56 GMT -6
FTR I am not against home births. Just the irresponsible ones.
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Post by hardlyluck on Mar 13, 2018 20:08:14 GMT -6
This doesn't include Anna who had at least 3 successful home births. Biologically, she's not a Duggar but abides by the same practices. I don't know about the last two. I will be giving birth in a hospital. Yeah, I was just more referring to the Duggar daughters, since they appear to have inherited Michelle's large baby traits. That’s who I meant too. The Duggar(by birth) girls *on average* seem to have larger babies and a labor that stalls out, leading to some sort of intervention needed
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Post by unicornofthesea on Mar 13, 2018 20:32:47 GMT -6
My H's cousin had a homebirth this morning and the baby was 10 lbs 12 oz....
No thank you.
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Mar 13, 2018 20:34:04 GMT -6
My H's cousin had a homebirth this morning and the baby was 10 lbs 12 oz.... No thank you. Dear God that's like birthing a toddler.
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Post by northernlghts on Mar 13, 2018 20:43:26 GMT -6
M & JB had a few home births, Jessa was born at home. For the rest of her other births, she called her dr and went straight to the hospital when she labored enough at home. No idea what made them switch but that's what I remember them saying on one of the earlier specials.
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Post by northernlghts on Mar 13, 2018 20:47:23 GMT -6
Also, I watched the birth specials. Part one they made a bunch of freezer meals and talked about labor. Michelle talked about Joy Anna's birthday, Austin's mom his. Joy Anna looks so young to be married and having a kid!
The second half they do show Jill attending to her and everyone helping with labor. Then Michelle calls Jim Bob and said they were taking Joy to the hospital.
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Post by RajahMD on Mar 13, 2018 23:03:29 GMT -6
M & JB had a few home births, Jessa was born at home. For the rest of her other births, she called her dr and went straight to the hospital when she labored enough at home. No idea what made them switch but that's what I remember them saying on one of the earlier specials. What's interesting is that the first couple were born in the hospital, then the next couple at home, and then the rest at the hospital. Internet sleuths have found evidence that the Duggars were taken to court for unpaid medical bills that coincide with some of the earlier births. It's speculated that they switched to home births when they were tight on funds, and then resumed hospital births when they had more money/health insurance.
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Mar 14, 2018 8:38:46 GMT -6
M & JB had a few home births, Jessa was born at home. For the rest of her other births, she called her dr and went straight to the hospital when she labored enough at home. No idea what made them switch but that's what I remember them saying on one of the earlier specials. What's interesting is that the first couple were born in the hospital, then the next couple at home, and then the rest at the hospital. Internet sleuths have found evidence that the Duggars were taken to court for unpaid medical bills that coincide with some of the earlier births. It's speculated that they switched to home births when they were tight on funds, and then resumed hospital births when they had more money/health insurance. I'm all on board with this.
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Post by xtine22 on Mar 14, 2018 8:53:01 GMT -6
I've read that there are rumors that Jessa is pregnant again.
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Post by nymama917 on Mar 14, 2018 10:01:12 GMT -6
Not justifying crazy Duggar ways, but I was willing to try to deliver a breech baby when I was pregnant. I mean I had an OB and hospital birth and was fully on board with following her medical advice, but I was very very anti C-section (because I was terrified of it not because I think it's a bad decision) and would have done basically anything not to have one. With my second, my water also broke (more like exploded) in the triage room and it definitely had meconium (cue panic by me) and the doctor was not the least bit concerned about rushing the labor along. They had a Nicu doctor present at deliver to check her and make sure that she was ok but there was no real concern or rush as I labored. Basically, I would have done the same thing as Joy I think and don't think that was overly irresponsible. I would not have had a second home birth if I was Jessa and hemorrhaged during my first. I also would not have a home birth after having a C-section. I would be willing to do a V-bac but I would need it to be in a hospital.
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Post by hardlyluck on Mar 14, 2018 10:21:13 GMT -6
Not justifying crazy Duggar ways, but I was willing to try to deliver a breech baby when I was pregnant. I mean I had an OB and hospital birth and was fully on board with following her medical advice, but I was very very anti C-section (because I was terrified of it not because I think it's a bad decision) and would have done basically anything not to have one. With my second, my water also broke (more like exploded) in the triage room and it definitely had meconium (cue panic by me) and the doctor was not the least bit concerned about rushing the labor along. They had a Nicu doctor present at deliver to check her and make sure that she was ok but there was no real concern or rush as I labored. Basically, I would have done the same thing as Joy I think and don't think that was overly irresponsible. I would not have had a second home birth if I was Jessa and hemorrhaged during my first. I also would not have a home birth after having a C-section. I would be willing to do a V-bac but I would need it to be in a hospital. But in the hospital and had a Neonatologist present are two MASSIVE differences! Like that’s not even in the same stratosphere as meconium, homebirth and a not actually qualified midwife.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Mar 14, 2018 10:44:30 GMT -6
Not justifying crazy Duggar ways, but I was willing to try to deliver a breech baby when I was pregnant. I mean I had an OB and hospital birth and was fully on board with following her medical advice, but I was very very anti C-section (because I was terrified of it not because I think it's a bad decision) and would have done basically anything not to have one. With my second, my water also broke (more like exploded) in the triage room and it definitely had meconium (cue panic by me) and the doctor was not the least bit concerned about rushing the labor along. They had a Nicu doctor present at deliver to check her and make sure that she was ok but there was no real concern or rush as I labored. Basically, I would have done the same thing as Joy I think and don't think that was overly irresponsible. I would not have had a second home birth if I was Jessa and hemorrhaged during my first. I also would not have a home birth after having a C-section. I would be willing to do a V-bac but I would need it to be in a hospital. But in the hospital and had a Neonatologist present are two MASSIVE differences! Like that’s not even in the same stratosphere as meconium, homebirth and a not actually qualified midwife. Yeah, a hospital with a NICU team on standby is a world away from a bathtub with your mom.
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Post by reginaphalange8 on Mar 14, 2018 10:46:05 GMT -6
I've read that there are rumors that Jessa is pregnant again. Do believe. Her youngest is 1, it's about time 🙄
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Post by ArielMermaid on Mar 14, 2018 10:49:52 GMT -6
I've read that there are rumors that Jessa is pregnant again. They don’t hide pregnancies very long. If she is we will know pretty soon I’m guessing.
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Post by Dramaphile on Mar 14, 2018 11:19:21 GMT -6
Not justifying crazy Duggar ways, but I was willing to try to deliver a breech baby when I was pregnant. I mean I had an OB and hospital birth and was fully on board with following her medical advice, but I was very very anti C-section (because I was terrified of it not because I think it's a bad decision) and would have done basically anything not to have one. With my second, my water also broke (more like exploded) in the triage room and it definitely had meconium (cue panic by me) and the doctor was not the least bit concerned about rushing the labor along. They had a Nicu doctor present at deliver to check her and make sure that she was ok but there was no real concern or rush as I labored. Basically, I would have done the same thing as Joy I think and don't think that was overly irresponsible. I would not have had a second home birth if I was Jessa and hemorrhaged during my first. I also would not have a home birth after having a C-section. I would be willing to do a V-bac but I would need it to be in a hospital. There are hospitals in Canada now that will deliver breech babies vaginally if there are certain parameters met (I know one is that it must be rump presentation). They legalized it within the last few years. I listened to a fascinating Birth Hour episode with a canadian woman who had 3 vaginal breech deliveries (she had a bicornate uterus and so babies could not be turned). Apparently the research that a lot of the anti-vaginal breech policies are based on is pretty flawed and it's not any more risky than a c-section is, but so few doctors have even witnessed a vaginal breech birth that most won't attempt it. But I don't think I would be comfortable with that in a home birth situation. For a healthy normal pregnancy with no complications and history, sure, but add in other factors and nope.
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Post by marygracerich on Mar 14, 2018 11:30:38 GMT -6
My sister was breech when she was born. My mom was 16 years old and delivered an almost 8lb breech baby. She was delivered butt first. I have no idea what would make my mother think that having 4 more children after that was a good idea. My vagina hurts just thinking about it.
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Post by Dramaphile on Mar 14, 2018 11:43:08 GMT -6
My sister was breech when she was born. My mom was 16 years old and delivered an almost 8lb breech baby. She was delivered butt first. I have no idea what would make my mother think that having 4 more children after that was a good idea. My vagina hurts just thinking about it. I guess after delivering one butt-first, a normal head-first birth would seem like a breeze!
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Post by marygracerich on Mar 14, 2018 12:57:20 GMT -6
My sister was breech when she was born. My mom was 16 years old and delivered an almost 8lb breech baby. She was delivered butt first. I have no idea what would make my mother think that having 4 more children after that was a good idea. My vagina hurts just thinking about it. I guess after delivering one butt-first, a normal head-first birth would seem like a breeze! Lol maybe. Her labors got significantly shorter with each baby too. Ok So much so that when she got to me, 15 years after her first, it was 19 minutes of labor. She then coughed and there I was.
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Post by fuzzylogic on Mar 14, 2018 13:09:28 GMT -6
I guess after delivering one butt-first, a normal head-first birth would seem like a breeze! Lol maybe. Her labors got significantly shorter with each baby too. Ok So much so that when she got to me, 15 years after her first, it was 19 minutes of labor. She then coughed and there I was. That's pretty much my mom with me. She said my uncle came to see her right after I was born, like minutes, and he commented that her makeup wasn't even messed up. So when I labored for most of a day and pushed for eternity two hours my mom was confused because, isn't it like this for everyone? MOTHER.
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Post by Dramaphile on Mar 14, 2018 13:17:22 GMT -6
Lol maybe. Her labors got significantly shorter with each baby too. Ok So much so that when she got to me, 15 years after her first, it was 19 minutes of labor. She then coughed and there I was. That's pretty much my mom with me. She said my uncle came to see her right after I was born, like minutes, and he commented that her makeup wasn't even messed up. So when I labored for most of a day and pushed for eternity two hours my mom was confused because, isn't it like this for everyone? MOTHER. My mom was the same! Her labor with my brother (her second) was super quick, she barely made it into the hospital, and her first was like 7 hours. I was a CS due to being breech (3rd), but probably would have been sneezed out if I was head down. She also said she doesn't remember it hurting very much and went before her due date with all 3 of us. My labor was 8 days past EDD, 20 hours, almost 3 hours of pushing. My sister had 48 hours of induction that ended in an emergency CS. Apparently we didn't get the easy childbirth gene.
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Post by Jesslfar on Mar 14, 2018 13:28:53 GMT -6
Not justifying crazy Duggar ways, but I was willing to try to deliver a breech baby when I was pregnant. I mean I had an OB and hospital birth and was fully on board with following her medical advice, but I was very very anti C-section (because I was terrified of it not because I think it's a bad decision) and would have done basically anything not to have one. With my second, my water also broke (more like exploded) in the triage room and it definitely had meconium (cue panic by me) and the doctor was not the least bit concerned about rushing the labor along. They had a Nicu doctor present at deliver to check her and make sure that she was ok but there was no real concern or rush as I labored. Basically, I would have done the same thing as Joy I think and don't think that was overly irresponsible. I would not have had a second home birth if I was Jessa and hemorrhaged during my first. I also would not have a home birth after having a C-section. I would be willing to do a V-bac but I would need it to be in a hospital. There are hospitals in Canada now that will deliver breech babies vaginally if there are certain parameters met (I know one is that it must be rump presentation). They legalized it within the last few years. I listened to a fascinating Birth Hour episode with a canadian woman who had 3 vaginal breech deliveries (she had a bicornate uterus and so babies could not be turned). Apparently the research that a lot of the anti-vaginal breech policies are based on is pretty flawed and it's not any more risky than a c-section is, but so few doctors have even witnessed a vaginal breech birth that most won't attempt it. But I don't think I would be comfortable with that in a home birth situation. For a healthy normal pregnancy with no complications and history, sure, but add in other factors and nope. We have this here as well. There are 2 hospitals here that will allow a breech birth (both have the highest level NICU) and I was almost allowed to have one because I had previously had a vaginal birth but would only be allowed if she went from footling to frank, the footling was too high of a risk of cord issues for the hospitals to touch.
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 14, 2018 13:53:48 GMT -6
My sister was breech when she was born. My mom was 16 years old and delivered an almost 8lb breech baby. She was delivered butt first. I have no idea what would make my mother think that having 4 more children after that was a good idea. My vagina hurts just thinking about it. I guess after delivering one butt-first, a normal head-first birth would seem like a breeze! Oh man yes, my first just had his hand up by his face and that was enough to cause 5 hours of pushing. I pushed for maybe 20 minutes with my second. Glorious!
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Post by twopeas on Mar 14, 2018 16:26:31 GMT -6
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Mar 14, 2018 18:53:28 GMT -6
She's going to be the golden child. She'll be the one to have 15+ kids.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 19:11:13 GMT -6
She's going to be the golden child. She'll be the one to have 15+ kids. I think Jill and Derick are put out by this. I think they expected to be the golden couple.
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Post by hardlyluck on Mar 14, 2018 19:40:31 GMT -6
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