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Post by Dramaphile on Mar 13, 2018 13:57:20 GMT -6
I don't know how I feel about this article. On one hand, a qualified midwife can tell if a baby is breech through external palpitation, so it's not necessary to be in a hospital to know that. On the other hand, whether or not their birth provider was qualified is a question...That has to suck though, going through 20 hours of unmedicated labor and then finding out baby is breech and you need a C after all. I'm willing to bet that the birth provider was Jill. So no, not qualified. This is why homebirth has such a bad rap. Because of idiots like the Duggars who think just because you birthed your own baby and watched some youtube, you know how to be a midwife.
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Mar 13, 2018 14:10:16 GMT -6
I'm willing to bet that the birth provider was Jill. So no, not qualified. This is why homebirth has such a bad rap. Because of idiots like the Duggars who think just because you birthed your own baby and watched some youtube, you know how to be a midwife. Exactly. I don't really care where you give birth but...she should have known the baby was breech before labor, no? Or at the very least at some point in that 20 hour labor? I really don't understand why they are so laxed with their prenatal/labor/delivery care. They've had some pretty scary instances. Some people are good candidates for home birth and some are not. I think A Women Pregnant With A 10 Lbs Breech Baby Falls Into The NOT Category. Apparently I have feelings about this.
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Post by Dramaphile on Mar 13, 2018 14:17:02 GMT -6
This is why homebirth has such a bad rap. Because of idiots like the Duggars who think just because you birthed your own baby and watched some youtube, you know how to be a midwife. Exactly. I don't really care where you give birth but...she should have known the baby was breech before labor, no? Or at the very least at some point in that 20 hour labor? I really don't understand why they are so laxed with their prenatal/labor/delivery care. They've had some pretty scary instances. Some people are good candidates for home birth and some are not. I think A Women Pregnant With A 10 Lbs Breech Baby Falls Into The NOT Category. Apparently I have feelings about this. Haha I am with you on the feelings. I've heard of people birthing at hospitals finding out their baby is breech because the doctor is like, "Oh shit, that's a foot!" and rushing them into the OR, but I feel like this is not one of those situations. Insert obligatory Fuck the Duggars.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 14:28:47 GMT -6
I had a friend who pushed two hours before they realized the head was a butt. I was very confused by the whole thing since she was at a huge University hospital and she didn't have interns since she was a resident herself.
So I don't really judge the Joy and 20 hour labor but they acted so freaking shaddy about the whole thing. That's my side eye. Someone needs to watch the videos and give us the scoop
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Post by charlotte on Mar 13, 2018 16:26:16 GMT -6
I’ll preface this by saying that I know there are safe ways to have a baby other than your standard hospital birth. And I’m speaking generally bc we don’t know the details of Joy’s birth and pregnancy.
But these girls are playing with fire, IMO. See a medical doctor or a legitimate midwife! They want so many babies; the safest way to have eleventy children is to take the best possible care of your body while pregnant and delivering, in hopes of avoiding emergent situations that may leave your body negatively impacted for future pregnancies.
I wanna see Jinger selfie with her OB/GYN and get herself an epidural in the hospital.
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Post by kittyforman on Mar 13, 2018 16:31:35 GMT -6
I have a friend who was in labor with her 6th child and her baby flipped. She had an excruciating amount of pain and when doc checked and realized it was a butt presenting she went to OR. Baby was over 10lb and had the scalp electrode on its head still.
I do not think that's what happened here.
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Post by hangry on Mar 13, 2018 17:14:06 GMT -6
I thought Jill was a certified Midwife? I'm not saying she is necessarily good at her job, but I did think she completed the training and apprenticing. Maybe they just tried to make it look like that in one of the episodes, like making themselves look like a wholesome, generous family
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Post by frantastic on Mar 13, 2018 17:19:53 GMT -6
But these girls are playing with fire, IMO. See a medical doctor or a legitimate midwife! Especially since there is a history of large babies in the family. Many of Michelle's were in the 9-10lb range, and she herself had mostly hospital births, only a few homebirths. I know that some people have no problem doing it, but plenty of people do have complications delivering a 9-10lb baby :::raises hand:::, and I'm really worried that something is going to eventually go very wrong with a Duggar homebirth.
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Post by mathlete on Mar 13, 2018 17:29:23 GMT -6
My brother was born butt first. Everytime I think about that, I feel so sorry for my mom. But that was in 1988 and in a hospital.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 17:46:45 GMT -6
But these girls are playing with fire, IMO. See a medical doctor or a legitimate midwife! Especially since there is a history of large babies in the family. Many of Michelle's were in the 9-10lb range, and she herself had mostly hospital births, only a few homebirths. I know that some people have no problem doing it, but plenty of people do have complications delivering a 9-10lb baby :::raises hand:::, and I'm really worried that something is going to eventually go very wrong with a Duggar homebirth. It will be God's will. 🙏 Losing a mother or child is so horrific I can't imagine playing with fire like that. Although I had pitocin as a VBAC so I have taken some caculated risks. (Dr. Supervised in a hospital even if my OB was terrible about nutrition /legging thread joke)
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Post by ArielMermaid on Mar 13, 2018 17:49:32 GMT -6
Kendra is such a sweet little marshmallow. She needs to be protected at all costs.
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Post by willow on Mar 13, 2018 17:53:47 GMT -6
I thought Jill was a certified Midwife? I'm not saying she is necessarily good at her job, but I did think she completed the training and apprenticing. Maybe they just tried to make it look like that in one of the episodes, like making themselves look like a wholesome, generous family She is, she is licensed and has been for a couple years.
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Post by hardlyluck on Mar 13, 2018 18:11:54 GMT -6
But these girls are playing with fire, IMO. See a medical doctor or a legitimate midwife! Especially since there is a history of large babies in the family. Many of Michelle's were in the 9-10lb range, and she herself had mostly hospital births, only a few homebirths. I know that some people have no problem doing it, but plenty of people do have complications delivering a 9-10lb baby :::raises hand:::, and I'm really worried that something is going to eventually go very wrong with a Duggar homebirth. And not just large babies, but large babies ultimately ending in c-sections for a decent portion of the already producing J. Duggar generation. It’s time for a reality check if they still think a midwife attended homebirth is even halfway reasonable at this point. * honestly I have no idea how many of this generation has ended up needing a c-section so I might be wrong but it feels like it’s been more than “average”
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Post by lolacachia on Mar 13, 2018 18:15:35 GMT -6
As adults wouldn't TLC be directly dealing with them. They wouldn't give all the money to Jim Blob to hand out to his adult children and spouses. They would if it was in the contract. There's no way Jim Boob is letting them make all the money from that show. There are still minors that appear on it, right? He is their guardian. He's still getting paid no doubt about it. Yes if in the contract, but I'm just surprised they wouldn't be negotiating with the individual adults to begin. They aren't minors and a major company like TLC surprises me to be having everything go through Jim Bob. They are almost asking for this Derrick situation to happen if that's the case.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 18:21:51 GMT -6
I thought Jill was a certified Midwife? I'm not saying she is necessarily good at her job, but I did think she completed the training and apprenticing. Maybe they just tried to make it look like that in one of the episodes, like making themselves look like a wholesome, generous family She is, she is licensed and has been for a couple years. She is a Certified Professional Midwife (CPM) not a certified nurse midwife (CNM). And the lady she trained under lost her license and has public complaints against her care. I think assuming Jill is a below average midwife and care she gives can be dangerous is a fair assumption.
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Post by mishy on Mar 13, 2018 18:23:12 GMT -6
Kendra is such a sweet little marshmallow. She needs to be protected at all costs. When Joe was talking about how they aren’t reading books to prepare for physical intimacy and will just learn about it together or ask family I was all like 😬😬😬
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Post by Jesslfar on Mar 13, 2018 18:27:42 GMT -6
She is, she is licensed and has been for a couple years. She is a Certified Professional Midwife (CPM) not a certified nurse midwife (CNM). And the lady she trained under lost her license and has public complaints against her care. I think assuming Jill is a below average midwife and care she gives can be dangerous is a fair assumption. Just coming to say this. Viewers often do not understand the difference. Jill and the woman who trained her also missed Jill's full term baby being breech and she labored at home for a very long term and they claimed "it flipped" but several OBs who post on various Duggar threads have said at the baby's size no way did that happen.
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Post by wildflower on Mar 13, 2018 18:29:44 GMT -6
I planned two home births and work with an incredibly qualified midwife. She is willing, under some circumstances, to attempt a home delivery with a breech presentation for a SECOND or more baby. But not a first. Mom needs to have a proven pelvis.
This very same midwife had no qualms about sending us to the hospital when DS2's heart rate wasn't steady. We were already packed and went without hesitation. And right before that decision was made, my midwife whipped out her portable US machine just to make extra sure that baby was head down (he was).
So, I'll stand here and defend educated, qualified, through home birth plans/midwives all day.
JA does not seem like she had one of the above.
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Post by frantastic on Mar 13, 2018 18:30:02 GMT -6
Especially since there is a history of large babies in the family. Many of Michelle's were in the 9-10lb range, and she herself had mostly hospital births, only a few homebirths. I know that some people have no problem doing it, but plenty of people do have complications delivering a 9-10lb baby :::raises hand:::, and I'm really worried that something is going to eventually go very wrong with a Duggar homebirth. And not just large babies, but large babies ultimately ending in c-sections for a decent portion of the already producing J. Duggar generation. It’s time for a reality check if they still think a midwife attended homebirth is even halfway reasonable at this point. * honestly I have no idea how many of this generation has ended up needing a c-section so I might be wrong but it feels like it’s been more than “average” Joy and Jill x2. Jessa had 2 vaginal home births, but hemorrhaged after her first and had to be transported to the hospital (via ambulance). So 4 of 5 started at home and ended in the hospital, and 3 of those as c/s.
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Post by hardlyluck on Mar 13, 2018 18:32:51 GMT -6
And not just large babies, but large babies ultimately ending in c-sections for a decent portion of the already producing J. Duggar generation. It’s time for a reality check if they still think a midwife attended homebirth is even halfway reasonable at this point. * honestly I have no idea how many of this generation has ended up needing a c-section so I might be wrong but it feels like it’s been more than “average” Joy and Jill x2. Jessa had 2 vaginal home births, but hemorrhaged after her first and had to be transported to the hospital (via ambulance). So 4 of 5 started at home and ended in the hospital, 3 as c/s. So I was off on how many needed c-sections, but yeah that is not good stats ladies! I know everybody always thinks it won’t happen to them and they’ll be different but come on!😡
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Post by frantastic on Mar 13, 2018 18:33:45 GMT -6
She is a Certified Professional Midwife (CPM) not a certified nurse midwife (CNM). And the lady she trained under lost her license and has public complaints against her care. I think assuming Jill is a below average midwife and care she gives can be dangerous is a fair assumption. Just coming to say this. Viewers often do not understand the difference. Jill and the woman who trained her also missed Jill's full term baby being breech and she labored at home for a very long term and they claimed "it flipped" but several OBs who post on various Duggar threads have said at the baby's size no way did that happen. Didn't she also see meconium in her fluid and continue to labor at home for many hours?
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Post by willow on Mar 13, 2018 18:35:19 GMT -6
She is, she is licensed and has been for a couple years. She is a Certified Professional Midwife (CPM) not a certified nurse midwife (CNM). And the lady she trained under lost her license and has public complaints against her care. I think assuming Jill is a below average midwife and care she gives can be dangerous is a fair assumption. Oh I am not insinuating otherwise, just that I had heard she was licensed. I don’t doubt that she isn’t as well trained as one could be.
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Post by Jesslfar on Mar 13, 2018 18:36:43 GMT -6
I planned two home births and work with an incredibly qualified midwife. She is willing, under some circumstances, to attempt a home delivery with a breech presentation for a SECOND or more baby. But not a first. Mom needs to have a proven pelvis. This very same midwife had no qualms about sending us to the hospital when DS2's heart rate wasn't steady. We were already packed and went without hesitation. And right before that decision was made, my midwife whipped out her portable US machine just to make extra sure that baby was head down (he was). So, I'll stand here and defend educated, qualified, through home birth plans/midwives all day. JA does not seem like she had one of the above. Sure with a qualified midwife that is not a terrible idea. I am not against home births with qualified professionals but the Duggar gospel on home births is BS and dangerous.
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Post by Jesslfar on Mar 13, 2018 18:38:32 GMT -6
Just coming to say this. Viewers often do not understand the difference. Jill and the woman who trained her also missed Jill's full term baby being breech and she labored at home for a very long term and they claimed "it flipped" but several OBs who post on various Duggar threads have said at the baby's size no way did that happen. Didn't she also see meconium in her fluid and continue to labor at home for many hours? That is my memory of it. She was due right before me and I watched that whole episode as a WTF in horror. I believe it was she took castor oil to speed things up, saw meconium and waited 40 hours or so of laboring at home before going in.
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Post by wildflower on Mar 13, 2018 18:42:12 GMT -6
Kendra is such a sweet little marshmallow. She needs to be protected at all costs. When Joe was talking about how they aren’t reading books to prepare for physical intimacy and will just learn about it together or ask family I was all like 😬😬😬 Yeah, I'll skip that convo. "So dad, when mom wants oral, what exactly do you do with your tongue?"
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Post by wildflower on Mar 13, 2018 18:42:37 GMT -6
Oh, wait, I just assumed that females have sexual needs and desires. MY BAD.
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Post by Jesslfar on Mar 13, 2018 18:52:11 GMT -6
Derick didn't grow up like the Duggars. I bet he got tired of that shit real quick. I really hope they write a book and/or sue the parents for money. Let that stuff come out in depositions for free. Eh, he knew what he signed up for. He got a Duggar house, vacations, massive donations for his missionary work, furniture etc. In other reality shows he would only be paid around $2-3k for an appearance which all of that would equal out to. I watch other reality tv and that is what the side kicks on shows like Teen Mom make. I agree that JimB owes his adult children some money because they are all brainwashed and I'm not sure how legal it is if you barely have an education and your parents force you into a contract no matter how old you are. The spouses all signed up for this.
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Post by Jesslfar on Mar 13, 2018 18:53:26 GMT -6
Oh, wait, I just assumed that females have sexual needs and desires. MY BAD. Ha ha. They are there to satisfy the needs of their husbands. Anyone can make their husbands a sandwich, but only they can provide intimacy and have to on demand.
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Mar 13, 2018 18:54:30 GMT -6
When Joe was talking about how they aren’t reading books to prepare for physical intimacy and will just learn about it together or ask family I was all like 😬😬😬 Yeah, I'll skip that convo. "So dad, when mom wants oral, what exactly do you do with your tongue?" Don't be silly. That doesn't make a baby!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 18:58:04 GMT -6
Derick didn't grow up like the Duggars. I bet he got tired of that shit real quick. I really hope they write a book and/or sue the parents for money. Let that stuff come out in depositions for free. Eh, he knew what he signed up for. He got a Duggar house, vacations, massive donations for his missionary work, furniture etc. In other reality shows he would only be paid around $2-3k for an appearance which all of that would equal out to. I watch other reality tv and that is what the side kicks on shows like Teen Mom make. I agree that JimB owes his adult children some money because they are all brainwashed and I'm not sure how legal it is if you barely have an education and your parents force you into a contract no matter how old you are. The spouses all signed up for this. IME kids from small broken homes will see the huge family and all the "love" and really fall in love with that vs the actual individual. Then down the road they get tired of it and either leave or go a little crazy. My guess is he is now in it and realizes what a shit show they really are and is thinking this is a terrible mistake. So I just wouldn't be shocked if he is the one that finally breaks the silence. You are right about the spouses and contracts though. He should have known better.
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