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Post by pesto on Nov 29, 2017 14:44:57 GMT -6
Fucking Corker. This is what his trigger BS has started. I really hope they can't do this under reconciliation. |
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Post by enchanted on Nov 29, 2017 14:45:44 GMT -6
Can victims file civil suits? Although then they are subjecting themselves to scrutiny which is shitty. I think so, but maybe if they accepted a monetary settlement, it could work against them? I am not an attorney by any means, though. I just remember when we were discussing Arpiao's pardon, someone said anyone could bring a civil suit at any time against him. Obviously the crimes are apples and oranges, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 14:47:11 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 14:50:25 GMT -6
Fucking Corker. This is what his trigger BS has started. I really hope they can't do this under reconciliation. Per the tax nerds I follow, spending cut triggers were ruled not Byrd compliant in 1997 when they were attempted. |
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 29, 2017 14:51:35 GMT -6
I want this to happen so very much. But I have to remind myself that it's just for us. Nothing will change if it does. But I still want all that dirt exposed. my fear right now is that the narrative going forward will become "liberal journalists and politicians are all sexual predators and deviants." Many (unfortunately, I can't say "most") have a policy of always believing the accuser and the Democratic party as well as "liberal" media organizations have chosen to take action when misconduct comes to light. Meanwhile, Fox News is a known hotbed of sexual assault and harassment and it practically took an act of congress to get rid of O'Reilly and he STILL denies everything. Just like SHS tried to do, they're going to say, "Oh, well, that person apologized/resigned/welcomed an investigation so they're clearly bad while our guy lied, victim blamed or deflected so clearly he's an upstanding citizen." Please do not in any way interpret that as me saying that victims should be silenced. I'm just currently stewing about this harmful double standard. I share this concern. I worry that ultimately, women will be impacted negatively. Liberal/ progressive organizations will at least in some way holding “their”politicians, accountable— firing, encouraging/ forcing resignations, etc, with no guarantee that the replacement will champion progressive values. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced with a dem, but what happens when it comes out that a democratic senator or congressman in a state with with a republican governor is guilty of harassment or worse? And on the other side, Republicans just deny and stay put. It feels like a helpless no win situation for women. We either put up with having predators in power for “the greater good” or we (rightfully) demand accountability, but at the possible expense of our own reproductive rights and social welfare. I wish we could just start with a clean slate, fire everybody and hold new elections. |
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Post by enchanted on Nov 29, 2017 14:52:52 GMT -6
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Post by adorebel on Nov 29, 2017 14:54:08 GMT -6
my fear right now is that the narrative going forward will become "liberal journalists and politicians are all sexual predators and deviants." Many (unfortunately, I can't say "most") have a policy of always believing the accuser and the Democratic party as well as "liberal" media organizations have chosen to take action when misconduct comes to light. Meanwhile, Fox News is a known hotbed of sexual assault and harassment and it practically took an act of congress to get rid of O'Reilly and he STILL denies everything. Just like SHS tried to do, they're going to say, "Oh, well, that person apologized/resigned/welcomed an investigation so they're clearly bad while our guy lied, victim blamed or deflected so clearly he's an upstanding citizen." Please do not in any way interpret that as me saying that victims should be silenced. I'm just currently stewing about this harmful double standard. I share this concern. I worry that ultimately, women will be impacted negatively. Liberal/ progressive organizations will at least in some way holding “their”politicians, accountable— firing, encouraging/ forcing resignations, etc, with no guarantee that the replacement will champion progressive values. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced with a dem, but what happens when it comes out that a democratic senator or congressman in a state with with a republican governor is guilty of harassment or worse? And on the other side, Republicans just deny and stay put. It feels like a helpless no win situation for women. We either put up with having predators in power for “the greater good” or we (rightfully) demand accountability, but at the possible expense of our own reproductive rights and social welfare. I wish we could just start with a clean slate, fire everybody and hold new elections. Especially when the pussy-grabber-in-chief has now gone from "It was locker room talk" to "Huh? Oh, that didn't actually happen, and it was not even me on that tape." He's made the borders of truth so fungible that he can now deny HIS OWN PRESENCE ON RECORDED AUDIO AND VIDEO TAPE and think his followers will probably go along with it. |
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Post by enchanted on Nov 29, 2017 14:56:25 GMT -6
There is no think or probably. They will go along with it.
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Post by Minerva on Nov 29, 2017 14:59:30 GMT -6
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Post by athn64 on Nov 29, 2017 14:59:37 GMT -6
I'm just so disgusted by all of this. I'm glad SOME accountability is finally out there, but we all know that the rape culture is so ingrained in the US, that most poeple are willing to overlook it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 15:15:09 GMT -6
my fear right now is that the narrative going forward will become "liberal journalists and politicians are all sexual predators and deviants." Many (unfortunately, I can't say "most") have a policy of always believing the accuser and the Democratic party as well as "liberal" media organizations have chosen to take action when misconduct comes to light. Meanwhile, Fox News is a known hotbed of sexual assault and harassment and it practically took an act of congress to get rid of O'Reilly and he STILL denies everything. Just like SHS tried to do, they're going to say, "Oh, well, that person apologized/resigned/welcomed an investigation so they're clearly bad while our guy lied, victim blamed or deflected so clearly he's an upstanding citizen." Please do not in any way interpret that as me saying that victims should be silenced. I'm just currently stewing about this harmful double standard. I share this concern. I worry that ultimately, women will be impacted negatively. Liberal/ progressive organizations will at least in some way holding “their”politicians, accountable— firing, encouraging/ forcing resignations, etc, with no guarantee that the replacement will champion progressive values. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced with a dem, but what happens when it comes out that a democratic senator or congressman in a state with with a republican governor is guilty of harassment or worse? And on the other side, Republicans just deny and stay put. It feels like a helpless no win situation for women. We either put up with having predators in power for “the greater good” or we (rightfully) demand accountability, but at the possible expense of our own reproductive rights and social welfare. I wish we could just start with a clean slate, fire everybody and hold new elections. I don't know about using the scenario of a Republican governor appointing a vacant Senate position that was held by a Dem. House vacancies have to have special elections. Not all states allow governors to appoint Senators. Not all states have Republican governors and if they do they likely have GOP Senators. IMO it's not an evenly balanced concern. (And I'm not saying you were arguing that it's a reason to have someone stay in their seat but I can very easily see that argument getting made.) |
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Post by Minerva on Nov 29, 2017 15:15:16 GMT -6
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Post by cakewench on Nov 29, 2017 15:22:29 GMT -6
I share this concern. I worry that ultimately, women will be impacted negatively. Liberal/ progressive organizations will at least in some way holding “their”politicians, accountable— firing, encouraging/ forcing resignations, etc, with no guarantee that the replacement will champion progressive values. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced with a dem, but what happens when it comes out that a democratic senator or congressman in a state with with a republican governor is guilty of harassment or worse? And on the other side, Republicans just deny and stay put. It feels like a helpless no win situation for women. We either put up with having predators in power for “the greater good” or we (rightfully) demand accountability, but at the possible expense of our own reproductive rights and social welfare. I wish we could just start with a clean slate, fire everybody and hold new elections. Especially when the pussy-grabber-in-chief has now gone from "It was locker room talk" to "Huh? Oh, that didn't actually happen, and it was not even me on that tape." He's made the borders of truth so fungible that he can now deny HIS OWN PRESENCE ON RECORDED AUDIO AND VIDEO TAPE and think his followers will probably go along with it. So I've been thinking about this - part of me is wondering if Trump is doing this now because the way things are going, it's getting pretty likely SOMEONE at NBC will leak the Celeb Apprentice tapes. So is he trying to get ahead by attacking NBC's credibility and questioning the Access Hollywood tape, so there's enough dubious-ness if/when the CA tape comes out? (or even the pee tape?) Then I remember this is Trump and that's probably giving him too much credit... |
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 29, 2017 15:29:00 GMT -6
I share this concern. I worry that ultimately, women will be impacted negatively. Liberal/ progressive organizations will at least in some way holding “their”politicians, accountable— firing, encouraging/ forcing resignations, etc, with no guarantee that the replacement will champion progressive values. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced with a dem, but what happens when it comes out that a democratic senator or congressman in a state with with a republican governor is guilty of harassment or worse? And on the other side, Republicans just deny and stay put. It feels like a helpless no win situation for women. We either put up with having predators in power for “the greater good” or we (rightfully) demand accountability, but at the possible expense of our own reproductive rights and social welfare. I wish we could just start with a clean slate, fire everybody and hold new elections. I don't know about using the scenario of a Republican governor appointing a vacant Senate position that was held by a Dem. House vacancies have to have special elections. Not all states allow governors to appoint Senators. Not all states have Republican governors and if they do they likely have GOP Senators. IMO it's not an evenly balanced concern. (And I'm not saying you were arguing that it's a reason to have someone stay in their seat but I can very easily see that argument getting made.) Definitely not a reason to not hold people accountable. I don’t know about states with Republican governors generally having Republican Senators and vice versa though. NY, NJ, MA and CA have all had Republican governors in recent history, though I don’t know the special election rules for each state. It just seems like there’s additional potential for general shittiness toward women, which is disheartening. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 16:23:11 GMT -6
They're about to vote on the MTP for the tax bill.
Argh.
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 29, 2017 17:47:20 GMT -6
They're about to vote on the MTP for the tax bill. Argh. I cant believe this thing is actually going to pass. I feel sick about it. |
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Post by summerbabe on Nov 29, 2017 17:57:39 GMT -6
They're about to vote on the MTP for the tax bill. Argh. I cant believe this thing is actually going to pass. I feel sick about it. I'm nervous about multiple things, but today especially the tuition/higher ed component. |
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Post by dc2london on Nov 29, 2017 18:08:09 GMT -6
meet the man who shut down Trump's Twitter for 11 glorious minutes.
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Post by cakewench on Nov 29, 2017 18:48:23 GMT -6
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Post by Ls2012 on Nov 29, 2017 18:50:37 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Nov 29, 2017 19:12:56 GMT -6
Just remember that Conway isn't the first to have a Hatch related snafu. Julian Castro had a Hatch related incident when he was HUD secretary. He apologized and kept his job.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 29, 2017 19:13:53 GMT -6
So, scale of one to ten, how terrible of a parent would I be if I pulled my overachiever kid out of school an hour early to go rally against the tax bill?
Civic engagement is important too, right?
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Post by cakewench on Nov 29, 2017 19:31:10 GMT -6
Like we need another reason to hate this guy:
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Post by enchanted on Nov 29, 2017 19:41:07 GMT -6
He's tweeted in the last half hour about this tax plan and more "radical terrorism" stuff about England.
This on top of the things he posted earlier today.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 29, 2017 19:47:09 GMT -6
A journalist is claiming that Harry said the Trumps will not be invited to the royal wedding.
But the Obamas will.
NGL, I'm laffin.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 29, 2017 19:49:49 GMT -6
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 29, 2017 20:11:56 GMT -6
Like we need another reason to hate this guy: Wow. And in 2011?! Where was this course? |
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Post by dc2london on Nov 29, 2017 20:13:04 GMT -6
This is actually calming.
He'd probably Google--no no, no, he'd Ask Jeeves, "How President make very big missile boom?"
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 29, 2017 20:14:16 GMT -6
He's tweeted in the last half hour about this tax plan and more "radical terrorism" stuff about England. This on top of the things he posted earlier today. This makes me ashamed to be an American and absolutely disgusted by anyone I know who continues to support him. I can not engage with any of them in a civil conversation. |
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 29, 2017 20:16:35 GMT -6
meet the man who shut down Trump's Twitter for 11 glorious minutes. Hero. |
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