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Post by enchanted on Nov 20, 2017 9:58:07 GMT -6
Rebecca Traister had a great piece in the latest New York about that exact sentiment. One of the women she quoted said something along the lines of she's glad it's happening, but it's hell at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 10:05:40 GMT -6
I legit had to take a few days off from here and the news because all of the allegations coming out. It was like, triggering and sad. A day or two after the Franken allegations, there was an entire row of stores on Buzzfeed about women who came forward on male actors and then stories about Roy Moore and Franken as well.
It sucks, but after a few days of taking some time away, I am back to say again, we need to work to elect more women. It was clear before but it better be more clear to more people now. This shit is engrained in our society and it's fucked.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 20, 2017 10:13:11 GMT -6
I legit had to take a few days off from here and the news because all of the allegations coming out. It was like, triggering and sad. A day or two after the Franken allegations, there was an entire row of stores on Buzzfeed about women who came forward on male actors and then stories about Roy Moore and Franken as well. It sucks, but after a few days of taking some time away, I am back to say again, we need to work to elect more women. It was clear before but it better be more clear to more people now. This shit is engrained in our society and it's fucked. Tammy Duckworths interview on PSA was pretty much the same sentiment. i.e. Congress has had zero sexual harassment training until Gillibrand came along. She was a helicopter pilot and it was rampant in her units until she commanded her own unit and tried to stop it. I really love the tweet/meme/whatever it was about the woman and her dog. There is the plate of steak and her dog. She says this is my dog, he loves steak and its eye level with him yet hes not touching it because I told him no. If you cant behave better than my dog then you should rethink yourself.
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Post by justkeepmoving on Nov 20, 2017 10:19:50 GMT -6
If anyone is from Maine, Collins isn’t a yes on the tax bill. She has a list of what needs to change (taking out the ACA provisions) to be a yes. Get to your phones!
That’s one no and one leaning no.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 10:21:36 GMT -6
I legit had to take a few days off from here and the news because all of the allegations coming out. It was like, triggering and sad. A day or two after the Franken allegations, there was an entire row of stores on Buzzfeed about women who came forward on male actors and then stories about Roy Moore and Franken as well. It sucks, but after a few days of taking some time away, I am back to say again, we need to work to elect more women. It was clear before but it better be more clear to more people now. This shit is engrained in our society and it's fucked. I was sad this weekend and took a break and now I'm just like "well, fuck you too then." Lose your fucking jobs.
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Post by JukEboX on Nov 20, 2017 10:24:44 GMT -6
I legit had to take a few days off from here and the news because all of the allegations coming out. It was like, triggering and sad. A day or two after the Franken allegations, there was an entire row of stores on Buzzfeed about women who came forward on male actors and then stories about Roy Moore and Franken as well. It sucks, but after a few days of taking some time away, I am back to say again, we need to work to elect more women. It was clear before but it better be more clear to more people now. This shit is engrained in our society and it's fucked. I was sad this weekend and took a break and now I'm just like "well, fuck you too then." Lose your fucking jobs. JukEboX for Congres 2018? "Keeping his hands to himself since '85" ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 10:28:11 GMT -6
I legit had to take a few days off from here and the news because all of the allegations coming out. It was like, triggering and sad. A day or two after the Franken allegations, there was an entire row of stores on Buzzfeed about women who came forward on male actors and then stories about Roy Moore and Franken as well. It sucks, but after a few days of taking some time away, I am back to say again, we need to work to elect more women. It was clear before but it better be more clear to more people now. This shit is engrained in our society and it's fucked. I was sad this weekend and took a break and now I'm just like "well, fuck you too then." Lose your fucking jobs. Yup. I have no sympathy. I keep my hands to myself at my job. I do not touch men inappropriately. I do not make inappropriate comments. I conduct myself with dignity and respect. It is not a difficult task in the slightest.
This should apply to those who hold office. Full stop, I DGAF who you are, what party you represent, you're trash to me and you should lose your job. You don't represent me. You don't represent my family. You don't get it. Get out.
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Post by mb3 on Nov 20, 2017 10:30:21 GMT -6
I just think we need to be careful with the "this means we need more women in office because men keep getting accused of sexual harassment" stance. Because women are just as capable of the same behaviors. What we need are good and decent people in office, both male and female. By breaking it down by sex it seems to be almost a superiority- "we women wouldn't act like that" and it implies every male is capable of it, vs every human.
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Post by joelies on Nov 20, 2017 10:58:55 GMT -6
I just think we need to be careful with the "this means we need more women in office because men keep getting accused of sexual harassment" stance. Because women are just as capable of the same behaviors. What we need are good and decent people in office, both male and female. By breaking it down by sex it seems to be almost a superiority- "we women wouldn't act like that" and it implies every male is capable of it, vs every human. I agree with this, but I also think by merely having more women around - and therefore, less men - the environment won't seem quite so friendly to such fucked up behavior. I mean yes, men should have enough control over themselves that the environment isn't a factor, but baby steps?
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Post by JukEboX on Nov 20, 2017 11:03:10 GMT -6
I just think we need to be careful with the "this means we need more women in office because men keep getting accused of sexual harassment" stance. Because women are just as capable of the same behaviors. What we need are good and decent people in office, both male and female. By breaking it down by sex it seems to be almost a superiority- "we women wouldn't act like that" and it implies every male is capable of it, vs every human. I also agree with this. I feel that it sets a double standard and power can get to anyone if their head gets big enough.
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Post by justkeepmoving on Nov 20, 2017 11:21:01 GMT -6
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Post by ldubhawksfan on Nov 20, 2017 11:26:12 GMT -6
Is that a direct quote. Because ... Wow. Yup, from the guy on the right, second row. I watched this clip this morning and couldn’t believe his quote.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 20, 2017 11:35:04 GMT -6
I just think we need to be careful with the "this means we need more women in office because men keep getting accused of sexual harassment" stance. Because women are just as capable of the same behaviors. What we need are good and decent people in office, both male and female. By breaking it down by sex it seems to be almost a superiority- "we women wouldn't act like that" and it implies every male is capable of it, vs every human. Absolute power corrupts absolutely?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 11:44:41 GMT -6
I just think we need to be careful with the "this means we need more women in office because men keep getting accused of sexual harassment" stance. Because women are just as capable of the same behaviors. What we need are good and decent people in office, both male and female. By breaking it down by sex it seems to be almost a superiority- "we women wouldn't act like that" and it implies every male is capable of it, vs every human. Nah, we need more women in office. I mean I get what you're saying, but it still does not change the fact that we need more women in office, period, for more reasons than just this one.
Women get shit done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 11:45:36 GMT -6
I mean, this is what the patriarchy looks like. It's fucked.
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Post by mb3 on Nov 20, 2017 11:50:53 GMT -6
I just think we need to be careful with the "this means we need more women in office because men keep getting accused of sexual harassment" stance. Because women are just as capable of the same behaviors. What we need are good and decent people in office, both male and female. By breaking it down by sex it seems to be almost a superiority- "we women wouldn't act like that" and it implies every male is capable of it, vs every human. Nah, we need more women in office. I mean I get what you're saying, but it still does not change the fact that we need more women in office, period, for more reasons than just this one.
Women get shit done.
No one is going to argue that we need more representation from women. But when sexual abuse allegations are brought up and the immediate response is "see, this is why we need more women in office", as if that will be the "fix", I see that as a major problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 11:57:39 GMT -6
Nah, we need more women in office. I mean I get what you're saying, but it still does not change the fact that we need more women in office, period, for more reasons than just this one.
Women get shit done.
No one is going to argue that we need more representation from women. But when sexual abuse allegations are brought up and the immediate response is "see, this is why we need more women in office", as if that will be the "fix", I see that as a major problem. I honestly don't get that? It's certainly not the only fix but it's a big fix in my eyes. This rampant sexual harassment/abuse problem is one of the direct results of the way our society views and TREATS women. AKA, this patriarchy bullshit.
The last 2-3 weeks of women coming forward in sports, politics, Hollywood, plus Trump being elected, plus people FIERCELY standing behind Roy Moore, I mean......it's rampant, and the vast majority of the accused are men. I am not going to sit here and say all men are pigs and lump them all together, that's simply wrong and very unfair. However, I will stand firm by my belief that we need more women in public office, all the way down to the local level. Politics is still a "man's world." We need our voices heard.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 20, 2017 11:57:54 GMT -6
Nah, we need more women in office. I mean I get what you're saying, but it still does not change the fact that we need more women in office, period, for more reasons than just this one.
Women get shit done.
No one is going to argue that we need more representation from women. But when sexual abuse allegations are brought up and the immediate response is "see, this is why we need more women in office", as if that will be the "fix", I see that as a major problem. But the phrase 'old boys club' is there for a reason. Men will protect other men. You dont see them slut shaming each other, no they are high fiving the 'conquest'. Men are not going to pass legislation that will hurt (for lack of a better word) themselves and they will continue to place the blame on women, restricting reproductive rights, slut shaming or any of the other things they've been doing for 2 centuries. I'm not bashing men, but history has proven that women lose out when we dont have a voice, the only way we are going to get that voice is by having a lot more female representation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 12:02:45 GMT -6
I just think we need to be careful with the "this means we need more women in office because men keep getting accused of sexual harassment" stance. Because women are just as capable of the same behaviors. What we need are good and decent people in office, both male and female. By breaking it down by sex it seems to be almost a superiority- "we women wouldn't act like that" and it implies every male is capable of it, vs every human. I agree that women are just as capable but it seems like the incidence of sexual harassment committed by women is far less. (I honestly don't know the #'s so I could be wrong.) I'm not saying the victims of women who sexually harass don't exist. But if I have to pick someone to put in power, and there is a potential for shitty skeletons in the closet, it seems like a woman is a safer bet. Personally, I don't believe this to be a people in power becoming corrupt issue necessarily. I think it's more of a Congress/Hollywood/media reflecting what goes on more broadly everywhere - unfortunately. That's in response to other posts - not yours.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 12:04:41 GMT -6
Nah, we need more women in office. I mean I get what you're saying, but it still does not change the fact that we need more women in office, period, for more reasons than just this one.
Women get shit done.
No one is going to argue that we need more representation from women. But when sexual abuse allegations are brought up and the immediate response is "see, this is why we need more women in office", as if that will be the "fix", I see that as a major problem. I don't think people are saying that because women wouldn't harass or abuse their power. It's just that with more diversity comes more opportunity for people in power to take up the torch for causes that affect the marginalized and exploited. Like the preventing harassment training example is a perfect example. Men were not initiating that even though they should have (it's a friggin' state law in CA for anyone who supervises people). So it took a different view point (in this case female) to say this is important, let's make this happen. From my own experience in business, which includes having a female colleague fired for sexual harassment, I saw first hand that policies changed when more females were included in the top levels of the company. And from being in meetings as the only female and being in meetings with female colleagues, it is a hell of a lot easier to champion for change when you have another voice in the mix. It is really hard to always be the only female voice in a room (or committee).
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Post by byjove on Nov 20, 2017 12:15:04 GMT -6
I am so excited for the holidays and getting ready for decorating and festivities. I feel like I get knocked back down to earth with a dose of reality when I come in here. Can I just pretend everything is happy and fine? ![B-|](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/notamused.png)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 12:34:47 GMT -6
I am so excited for the holidays and getting ready for decorating and festivities. I feel like I get knocked back down to earth with a dose of reality when I come in here. Can I just pretend everything is happy and fine? ![B-|](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/notamused.png) Someone on my FB posted about decorating for Christmas early this year and just needing to because of all the shit. I agree with that. I want to live in fantasy happy land for at least one month.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Nov 20, 2017 12:35:01 GMT -6
I don't think Merkel's future is in doubt at this point. The Greens and her own party gave her very high praise for how she conducted the talks. It's only the FDP that seems to be highly critical at the moment. I think it's more likely that Seehofer, the head of the CSU (Merkel's sister party in Bavaria), will have to go. And I wonder if Schulz of the SPD will really be willing to risk new elections instead of re-entering a grand coalition with the CDU/CSU. If he is portrayed as the reason everyone has to vote again, I would imagine the SPD would lose even more votes (and they already reached a historic low in this election). So I am guessing that he would come around before new elections take place. Although I'm less certain of that with him than with other politicians - he is definitely a "walk the talk" kind of politician and would have to come up with a very good, rational reason for going back on his "no way will we be part of a grand coalition again" statement. This is me eating my words. Schulz said very clearly that the entire SPD board voted unanimously *not* to even consider entering into talks to form a grand coalition. It is not going to happen. I'm kind of surprised and kind of not. Basically the only realistic choices now are a tolerated minority government (where the CDU/CSU and FDP have to find at least a few votes from other parties for each piece of legislation) or new elections.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 12:36:00 GMT -6
I always go back to that picture of all men in the room discussing women's health issues, legislation that could have a devastating impact on many women's lives and the choices they make for their health. That right there tells me we need more women. Until the day that women's health issues are not attacked like they are today, I will feel better. I don't feel good right now at all.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Nov 20, 2017 12:58:43 GMT -6
This is me eating my words. Schulz said very clearly that the entire SPD board voted unanimously *not* to even consider entering into talks to form a grand coalition. It is not going to happen. I'm kind of surprised and kind of not. Basically the only realistic choices now are a tolerated minority government (where the CDU/CSU and FDP have to find at least a few votes from other parties for each piece of legislation) or new elections. Do you know why? They lost a lot of votes (compared to previously) in the elections before these. They were in the grand coalition for 4 years, and this year they had their worst election results ever. When you're in the opposition, it's easy to criticize the government and say what you would do differently. When you're actually in the government, you have to do what you say you were going to do. That's why Congress flips so often in the US. The Rs say they'll make everything better, then they're elected and they don't make everything better, then the Ds say they'll make everything better and are elected and they don't make everything better, etc. It's the same thing here - the SPD thinks they'll gain back more votes as an opposition party than if they stay part of the government. It's probably true, but I think it's still sucky of them.
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Post by cakewench on Nov 20, 2017 13:06:50 GMT -6
This brings me endless joy (until I think about it too much and start missing them):
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Post by charlotte on Nov 20, 2017 13:27:19 GMT -6
Aww cakewenchBecause they are genuinely friends, I wonder if Barack ever feels bad that he encouraged JB not to run in 2016 so as not to pull focus from HRC. I’m not saying he should, but I wonder. It’s obvious now that Joe did want it and likely has missed his chance.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2017 13:44:48 GMT -6
I legit had to take a few days off from here and the news because all of the allegations coming out. It was like, triggering and sad. A day or two after the Franken allegations, there was an entire row of stores on Buzzfeed about women who came forward on male actors and then stories about Roy Moore and Franken as well. It sucks, but after a few days of taking some time away, I am back to say again, we need to work to elect more women. It was clear before but it better be more clear to more people now. This shit is engrained in our society and it's fucked. For some reason the Franken allegations filled me with a sense of shame. I felt like I had personally done something wrong. I think it triggered my social anxiety somehow. Anyway, I had to give myself room to breathe because, I mean, I didn't grope anybody. There was absolutely no reason for me to feel that way.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2017 13:53:37 GMT -6
This may have to be a conversation for another time, but my H and I were discussing it yesterday. When it comes to allegations of sexual harassment and assault, are we willing, as a society, to allow room for evolution and contrition? We were talking about this with Franken in mind because, at the time, it was one instance, years ago, and he has obviously done a lot of work to try to help women since then. We were just kind of wondering, without any effort to excuse the really sick thing he did, is there room for a person to grow and change and to apologize? Or is past behavior a universally disqualifying factor? Right now my general attitude is basically, "FRO, Al, I'm done with you" but will his resignation really do anything to change the climate that permitted his behavior to happen (and to stay secret for so long)? Anyway. I'm really just babbling.
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