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Post by wisco on Nov 6, 2017 12:26:31 GMT -6
I figured that I would get us started with a new month! Any updates, ladies? orangehibiscus Any beta updates? Everything crossed for you!
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Post by sunshiney on Nov 6, 2017 13:56:48 GMT -6
Thanks, wisco! BFNs at 8, 9, 10, and now 11DPO. But no spotting, and I have virtually always started spotting by now. Maybe my body is still weird post-Nexplanon. Still haven't given up hope, because (geez I sound like such a dopey noob here) I think I might have felt implantation cramps at 9.5DPO. I'm glad to have tested so often because it's spreading out the disappointment in stages and preparing me for a failed cycle. Also it's nice that if AF comes, we have concrete steps to take - DH's repeat SA Friday, and RE appt 12/4. But I let myself get way too excited about this first cycle TTC with DH and am not looking forward to paying the emotional price....
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Post by obscureference on Nov 6, 2017 14:41:21 GMT -6
sunshiney I’m sorry about the BFNs. I hope it’s still just too soon! orangehibiscus I am also wondering about your second beta! AFM I am on CD 15 and I’m not really sure what’s going on with my cycle. Normally I just do OPKs because I can always see a clear positive and temping has confirmed in the past so I don’t temp because it makes me crazy. But I got a practically positive OPK yesterday so I was expecting even darker today, but nope, much lighter. The RE said sex at least every other day from 12-19 so I’m just going with that. Recently I have been ovulating late, like CD 22, so I’m hoping the meds are working and I am actually Oing today. Do any of you use OPKs on your medicated cycles? If so, what’s been your experience? Thanks! Also, why do I go crazy every cycle?! Analyzing everything! 😂
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 6, 2017 14:48:35 GMT -6
Thanks for thinking of me wisco! Sorry for the BFNs sunshiney! I hope this is your cycle. I bet your OPK yesterday was + obscureference. I used OPKs with my first 3 attempts at medicated TI. For this 4th attempt, my RE specifically asked me not to use OPKs so I didn't. I have always gotten a definite + whether it was a treatment cycle or not. AFM... I have not done my beta today because I haven't made it back home yet. I got stuck in an airport last night due to bad weather where I was trying to go. It still doesn't look good for me getting out of here today. I called the RE's nurse and let them know they may not be seeing beta results from me today because of being stuck in an airport. I'll do my beta when I get home, hopefully today or tomorrow. I did tell the nurse that I was bleeding some, and she said she thought my body was trying to override the progesterone and start a period because my beta was only 6. I told her I was able to turn a digital on Saturday, and she was surprised. We'll see what the beta shows. My spotting has lightened up a bit, but now it is kind of reddish. I really hope I can do my beta today for some peace of mind!
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Post by obscureference on Nov 6, 2017 17:34:39 GMT -6
orangehibiscus oh my gosh, I can’t believe you got stuck in the airport! I hope you get back ok and that the beta comes in great!
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 6, 2017 18:35:29 GMT -6
Thanks obscureference. I finally made it back home, and my beta is 23. I was hoping it would be higher just for added peace of mind. However, that is a doubling time of 62.42 hours, which is in the normal range. I'm holding on to that! I haven't heard from my RE's office, but I imagine that they will want to do another beta on Wednesday and see what that is.
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Post by sunshiney on Nov 7, 2017 7:03:05 GMT -6
obscureference It sounds like you may have O'd and just missed the peak of the surge...that has happened to me often in the past (and in this current cycle), I surge in mid-afternoon so if I test early afternoon and evening, I often notice it gets lighter again without ever getting officially positive. I actually started medicated cycles using OPK's to time IUI and it was so stressful...had to call in for a last-minute IUI and take off work in a really stressful last minute way when it got lighter instead of having a peak positive! At that point I said, screw it, you guys have to give me a trigger shot from now on so I don't have to rely on these stupid tests. However if you're using TI the timing is not so crucial. If he's just having you assume your FW is CD12-19 then I guess the OPK doesn't do anything for you. I wouldn't worry that you haven't O'd just because you didn't see a completely positive OPK, but if it were me I would keep BDing EOD throughout the cycle. But that's just me. If that creates pressure/stress, I would maybe temp next time (if you're not already - of course if there is a next cycle, hopefully not!). And if later in the cycle you aren't getting AF or a BFP and think you should be by now, maybe just keep in the back of your mind that you may have O'd later than you thought? As for your other question - is there anyone who doesn't go crazy analyzing everything each cycle? Certainly not me... orangehibiscus Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry you got stuck in the airport when you must have been soo soo impatient to get that beta result! I'm glad the number increased!! Saying a prayer for you and LO.
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 7, 2017 7:41:11 GMT -6
sunshiney, Yes, it was terrible to be stuck in the airport when I needed to have a beta drawn. Thank you for your prayers! I really appreciate them.
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 7, 2017 10:45:25 GMT -6
So I heard from my RE's nurse this morning. They were happy-ish that the beta went up, but are still concerned that it is so low. I'll have another beta tomorrow. They said if it drops or doesn't rise appropriately, then they want me to stop progesterone and then wait for me to miscarry. I said I stop progesterone only if my beta drops. If it rises, I will not stop progesterone. So all I can do is wait until tomorrow and see what that beta shows.
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Post by sunshiney on Nov 7, 2017 11:29:06 GMT -6
**TW: Losses and LC Discussed** orangehibiscus I'm glad you'll get answers so soon. I was in a similar position to yours twice, and both times I had to fight extremely hard (like, making many of the nurses and one RE very annoyed with me, insisting over and over) to not give up until it was for sure not a viable pregnancy. Their position was that if the chance of a healthy pregnancy is low enough, it is more worthwhile to stop progesterone and move on to another cycle rather than waste time. That didn't work for me - I had to know there was 0% chance of a viable pregnancy before I stopped progresterone. My numbers never did go down on their own with either of those pregnancies, and didn't go down until I took misoprostol with one, and methotrexate with the other. But what proved to me that it was safe to allow/help the pregnancies to end was the ultrasound results. For one, I had an u/s that showed a gestational sac at a date when they were expecting to see more (measuring several days behind), and then a repeat u/s a week later showed only 1mm growth, which is the minimum growth they'd expect to see in a day rather than a week and proved to me that this was an inevitable loss. For the last, one u/s showed nothing in the uterus when there should have been a sac by then, and they were concerned about the risks of ectopic PG, so I agreed to methotrexate after a follow-up scan still showed nothing 2 or 3 days later. (I learned later it was in the right tube, because I got repeat imaging and repeat methotrexate when betas shot up again.) So definitely listen to their rationale, but if your numbers are rising at all I personally would be hesitant to stop progesterone without conclusive imaging. But here's the thing, as I went through both experiences (with lower than usual betas and slower than usual doubling times), there were friends on TCF who had had the same or lower numbers after their treatment cycles and were now far along in those pregnancies or holding those babies in their arms. There's just no way to say that a beta of 23 at that stage of your cycle with a 68 hour doubling time can't lead to a healthy child. So I am continuing to pray for both of you!! Praying so hard that this is a sticky baby.
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 7, 2017 12:58:14 GMT -6
TW Previous Loss and Current PG Mentioned Thank you sunshiney. I'm so sorry for your losses. I too need that 0% of viable pregnancy before I will give up. I had Methotrexate with my loss because they were concerned about EP, although it was officially labeled a pregnancy of unknown location. I also had 2 scans, done 1 week apart, because I needed to see it. I had to know without doubt that it wasn't a viable pregnancy, and I could see that it wasn't. I've read a lot of stories online about betas not doubling as expected and women having healthy babies after that. I can't and won't give up if there's still a chance that a pregnancy is viable, especially given that I had 3 follicles at trigger. There are all kinds of stories about betas doing weird things if a twin is lost. I am hoping I can get an US soon-ish, depending on what my betas do. I am 4+5 today, so maybe early next week is betas are doing well? Ugh, this sucks. I don't want to lose another pregnancy!
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Post by obscureference on Nov 7, 2017 14:34:19 GMT -6
orangehibiscus I would do exactly the same thing you’re doing. Hugs lady. sunshiney Yea I’m just going to assume that I O’d at this point. Got an even lighter OPK this afternoon. Maybe daylight savings is to blame since I didn’t adjust the time I’m doing them. wisco How are you doing? When do you start clomid?
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 7, 2017 17:52:13 GMT -6
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Post by wisco on Nov 8, 2017 14:04:11 GMT -6
obscureference - I finished up my clomid last weekend, so now I am just plugging away on the dexamethasone. I go in for my monitoring ultrasound on Friday. Almost forgot to order my trigger shot this week! Oops. Thank goodness they deliver it overnight. Ugh. I know I'm only on my third cycle this go-round, but I am getting tired. I've never been on clomid before, so I hope I've responded. I think we'll try one more cycle of clomid (upping the dosage if necessary) and then go to injectables... I just need to produce some good follicles! As for OPKs, they NEVER worked for me. My RE blamed the PCOS, and now we just trigger every time. orangehibiscus - You are doing exactly what I would do too. Go with your gut and be your own advocate. This shit is hard, and we get to be as certain as we can be. I've learned that my body doesn't fit any of the textbook norms, so why should I expect lab results to fit into those perfect ranges all the time? ****TW**** I've always had low betas, lots of spotting, and low progesterone, and have carried a pregnancy to term. ****End TW**** Please keep us updated, and let me know if you need anything. We're here for you! sunshiney - How are you holding up? Still testing?
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 8, 2017 17:44:37 GMT -6
TW Beta Results and Possible Future Loss Thanks wisco. Unfortunately, my beta only went up 4 points to 27. I haven't heard from my RE yet, but I know they will want me to stop progesterone and wait to miscarry. I'm going to see if I can convince them to do another beta on Friday.
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Post by sunshiney on Nov 8, 2017 18:36:36 GMT -6
orangehibiscus I'm sorry. Not the numbers we were all going for! (Hugs) wisco lol about forgetting to order the trigger, I hear you that even just a few cycles into treatment it's exhausting! I hope the clomid works perfectly. Temp dropped to coverline this morning so didn't bother testing. Had intense cramps this afternoon and a little spotting. Feeling okay though. DH is being very resilient about it so trying to take my cue from him.
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Post by obscureference on Nov 8, 2017 19:38:51 GMT -6
orangehibiscus I’m sorry about the low beta. I don’t see why they couldn’t humor you and do another beta on Friday. sunshiney I’m sorry about the temp drop and cramps.
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 8, 2017 19:41:00 GMT -6
Thanks sunshiney. I'm sorry for temp drop and cramps. I hope your temp goes back up tomorrow. Thanks obscureference!
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 9, 2017 6:01:31 GMT -6
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Post by ap21ril on Nov 9, 2017 18:44:09 GMT -6
orangehibiscus I'm so sorry. Hugs. sunshiney sorry about the lower temp and cramping! Hope both went away today. obscureference OPKs are annoying sometimes. I like them bc I like to know, but the uncertainty is frustrating. I buy the cheapies and when they get close to positive, I use a digital. That way I can test multiple times a day if I want. It helps me feel more in control haha wisco that's funny, I'm glad you got it in time. I had my follicle check today and have one at 25mm, so triggered right after the appt, and IUI tomorrow afternoon. They didn't want to wait the full 36hrs bc they were worried with a follicle so large and an almost positive OPK this, AM that I would ovulate too soon. I don't feel super hopeful since all other follies were too small to have anything, and made the mistake of reading if follicles can be too big (they can). We'll see I guess.
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 9, 2017 19:05:39 GMT -6
Thank you ap21ril! Best of luck with IUI. So, I heard from my RE's office, and they surprisingly want me to have another beta tomorrow. We'll see how that turns out.
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Post by sunshiney on Nov 10, 2017 5:13:33 GMT -6
ap21ril Yay for IUI time! What I've read about oversized follies is that 26mm+ start to be an issue. Sounds like they caught yours in time, and the trigger is just helping your body along with ovulating as it was about to right on time...it sounds like there's no reason this couldn't be your cycle! orangehibiscus I'm glad they're being patient and repeating beta! AF came yesterday with a vengeance. So much cramping before and after it started that now I'm worried my endo is back (removed with a lap in 2014, RE said I had only a 20% chance of it returning because it was minimal). Hopefully it's just my sensitive tummy (I have Crohn's and it seems to make everything hurt more). DH is off to the lab with his sample later this morning, and I should O once again just before RE appointment. Feeling fine about TTC, crummy physically though.
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 10, 2017 8:18:54 GMT -6
I'm glad too sunshiney. Sorry for CD1. I hope that your endo is not back!
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Post by wisco on Nov 10, 2017 11:53:30 GMT -6
orangehibiscus - UGH. Sorry, lady. Not the news I was hoping for. I'm glad your RE's office is having you continue with betas. ap21ril - It sounds like they caught it just in time! Good luck!!! What day of your cycle did they monitor you? sunshiney - I'm sorry you're not feeling great. I hate the beginning of my cycle. Hoping for good news about your husband's SA! I had my monitoring appointment this morning. The clomid worked! Two follicles! A 18.5 and 19! Triggering tomorrow with insemination on Monday. Feeling positive this go round. I'm going to try to hold on to it as long as ! can.
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 10, 2017 12:29:01 GMT -6
Thanks wisco. Woohoo for nice follicles. FX so hard for you!
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Post by obscureference on Nov 10, 2017 13:40:07 GMT -6
sunshiney Sorry about CD1. I hope the SA comes back great! ap21ril I hope the next couple weeks go fast and that this is your cycle! wisco So awesome that Clomid worked! FX for you! I’m just hanging out on CD 19. Fairly sure I’ve already O’d but we’re going to go one more time tonight because the RE said to. And then we wait. But actually not that long because I always get my period 12 days after I ovulate which is only just over a week.
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Post by obscureference on Nov 10, 2017 13:48:43 GMT -6
Oh and I just remembered to check on my AMH that they redrew and it was still super low so that’s a bummer, but not unexpected.
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Post by orangehibiscus on Nov 10, 2017 14:09:38 GMT -6
TW Loss
My beta went down to 26, so I'm going to lose this one too. I can't believe this is happening again.
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Post by obscureference on Nov 10, 2017 15:21:26 GMT -6
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Post by sunshiney on Nov 10, 2017 15:24:48 GMT -6
orangehibiscus I am so, so sorry. I can't believe this is happening to you again either. It is not fair. Huge (((hugs))).
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