Mommy dead and dearest

[McBenny]

There are parts of the interview where she talks more child like than others. Again, I don't think we will ever know the real Gypsy.

[McBenny]

You can also see in her police interview videos that she is acting. In her speech and in her mannerisms.

No, I don't feel Gypsy is telling me the truth now.

OMG the little girl voice on the phone is so different than the voice she was using to talk about sex, etc.

She acknowledge that she planned it and took the steps.

Also if it were a concern of her lawyers that she was not mentally capable of acting in her own defense they would have or should have taken appropriate actions.

 

[Cher]

Bumping the thread because I found this: trib.al/ZSHeRpc

It made me swing towards sympathetic to Gypsy again. It's such a hard case.

[Jesslfar]

I'm not at all shocked by those things not included. I figured she had some kind of drapes or something to keep it so no one was watching too closely, and the prescription pad while hard to get, would explain the closet of drugs.

[Cher]

Jun 2, 2017 16:19:03 GMT -6 Jesslfar said:

I'm not at all shocked by those things not included. I figured she had some kind of drapes or something to keep it so no one was watching too closely, and the prescription pad while hard to get, would explain the closet of drugs.

No not at all. I was more sympathetic to Gypsy being told her mom would get in trouble if she told and such. I mean, I guess I had to know that happened. But it's such a reminder that she never had any moral compass, she had no normal. It's difficult for me to decide if she's culpable when she's never known right or wrong.

[ArielMermaid]

The director of the Doc did a Reddit AMA. She answers our question on whether the bathroom sex actually happened.

www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/6bpft5/hi_fellow_weirdos_documentary_director_and_writer/

[bobyn]

Here's an AMA scheduled for next week:

15 Jun 8pm Pauly Shore actor/comedian

😁

[bbgirl]

May 31, 2017 8:31:37 GMT -6 brux said:

Having watched the doc, I'm more conflicted about Gypsy. I don't know if I agree that she willfully kept up the act, more that I think she went along with what her mom told her to do for whatever reason her mom gave her. Or because she was scared of her mom.

Yeah, she was sneaking around behind her mom's back, but she went to sleep in that house and never just got up and walked out the door. I don't think she had a remotely clear grasp on what was real, what was pretend, and what she could do to help herself.

DeeDee convinced multiple doctors to perform extensive medical tests and procedures on Gypsy even though she had no (or little) actual physical symptoms.  They should have caught on that something was not right at SOME point during her medical treatments, but they never really did.  This may have made Gypsy believe her mother had more power or cunning than she actually did.  She may have been terrified of what her mother would have done, the lengths she would have gone, if she made an attempt at actually escaping.  If the doctors all believed DeeDee without evidence, how about the cops or lawyers?

I see this a little bit like kidnapped children.  There have been multiple times where they are left by their kidnappers to run errands, play outside, interact with the public, etc., sometimes for YEARS before they are found/discovered.  We all ask ourselves "Why didn't they run? Why didn't they ask for help?" and it is because their abusers so deeply ingrained a fear in their mind that they truly believed that talking/asking for help would not work and would only get them in more trouble or punished.  Or their families would be hurt.  Or no one would believe them  I truly think Gypsy may have believed the only way anyone would ever believe her, the only way to end her lifetime of abuse, was to eliminate her abuser.  

Or she is, like McBenny points out, as good of a manipulator as her mother was, which is why there are so many shades of grey in this case.

[Jesslfar]

Bump for the new show.  New 20/20 special.  Discuss here. marygracerich

[Ali7P]

Jan 6, 2018 14:08:05 GMT -6 Jesslfar said:

Bump for the new show.  New 20/20 special.  Discuss here. marygracerich

When is it on? I just looked through the guide on my TV & didn't see it.

[Jesslfar]

Jan 6, 2018 14:26:11 GMT -6 Ali7P said:

Jan 6, 2018 14:08:05 GMT -6 Jesslfar said:

Bump for the new show.  New 20/20 special.  Discuss here. marygracerich

When is it on? I just looked through the guide on my TV & didn't see it.

I am watching it on demand.  It aired on 1/5

[Jesslfar]

They got caught by the IP address from their FB post. How did they not know this would happen?

[Ali7P]

Thanks Jesslfar! I'll check it out.

[Jesslfar]

She never thought they would get caught. Mind blown by this.

[marygracerich]

I understood that she was not sick. I didn’t however realize that she knew she wasn’t sick. She was in on the scam out of fear of her mother. I can’t imagine not being able to eat because your mother is running a scam.

[marygracerich]

Jan 6, 2018 14:43:38 GMT -6 Jesslfar said:

She never thought they would get caught. Mind blown by this.

I think a lot of that has to do with their maturity level. They were not as mature as their age and so they didn’t see any flaws in their plan.

[Ali7P]

It's not on demand on FIOS yet. But the 20/20 about the NXIVM cult is so I'm watching that. It's the one that Alison Mack is in. Holy shit.

[McBenny]

What really did it for me was her text messages. She didn't seem like the poor abused scare little girl.

[McBenny]

The article did nothing for me. I don't take much into what Kristy has to say as she was not in the home etc. She also comes across to me in several interviews as wanting to get her 15 minutes.

[Jesslfar]

Her mom wouldn't feed her for 2 days if they had a fight. The change in weight once she did go to prison and had regular meals really changes how I feel about the murder. I absolutely think it was premeditated and she knew what she was doing and I think she knew she had options to escape that did not involve killing her mother, but she was very much abused in the home.

[marygracerich]

Jan 8, 2018 11:46:23 GMT -6 Jesslfar said:

Her mom wouldn't feed her for 2 days if they had a fight. The change in weight once she did go to prison and had regular meals really changes how I feel about the murder. I absolutely think it was premeditated and she knew what she was doing and I think she knew she had options to escape that did not involve killing her mother, but she was very much abused in the home.

I think this is where I am at with it. Yes she knew that she was having her Mother killed but she also thought it was her only way out. She wasn’t sweet and innocent but she was definitely not as mature as she should be for her age.
I think years of abuse could drive many people to do what she did. It’s not right but I’m not shocked.

[ArielMermaid]

It always makes me laugh that she met the guy on a Christian dating site.