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Post by jedi on May 26, 2017 17:43:55 GMT -6
I'm not really sure what I want to discuss. I just want to talk about it I guess.
What did think?
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Post by jedi on May 26, 2017 18:07:43 GMT -6
I liked it. I thought they did a good job portraying sexual assault and suicide.
I thought it ended well too and while I see how people can have questions I feel like most of them don't really matter.
I don't really care what happened with the school and the lawsuit. Or Bryce. Or alex. I mean Hannah's parents said they just wanted to know why and they get that when they have the tapes.
I guess my only question would be what is the package she mailed
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Post by CestLaVie on May 26, 2017 18:28:36 GMT -6
I liked it too, I watched it so quickly. I felt like they did a good job showing the snowball effect. I didn't really like the "it's your fault" notion but then again that's how teenagers think. I know on the thread on Parenting people were questioning the graphic rape scene at the end, but I felt it was important to show how somehting could be unquestionably rape yet not check any of the boxes (did you say no? did you fight him? etc etc). I think it was a helpful visual example for people that victim blame.
I felt like I needed to process the show for a few days after I finished it too.
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Post by redandblue on May 26, 2017 19:22:09 GMT -6
As I mentioned in randoms I really felt it was well done. Showing how people's actions have serious consequences on others. The sexual assault and how the peer pressure could make people turn an eye. I thought it did a good job of showing somewhat that everyone has a story and reasons why they do some things. I agree with CestLaVie about the graphic rape scene and how the guidance counselor dismissed it so quickly with the line of questioning. DS1 told me he was so bothered by the rape scenes he couldn't watch them. Our local school board put out a response to the show in conjunction with a mental health organization about the show, how to talk to your teen etc. The one thing I didn't necessarily agree with was their stance about basically being appalled by how the guidance counselor was portrayed. They didn't want teens to think they can't go to their guidance counselors if they need to talk. I truly feel that the show more accurately depicts the kind of guidance counselors in my area. Like I mentioned, I actually appreciated the show, as being a common ground and spring board to talk with DS1 about so many serious issues that teens face. |
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Post by jedi on May 26, 2017 19:51:31 GMT -6
I thought the rape scene was uncomfortable but I feel like it needed to be that way. Did you guys watch the interviews after. They talked about that scene
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Post by redandblue on May 26, 2017 19:56:41 GMT -6
No we didn't watch the extras. We're they good to watch jedi? |
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Post by jedi on May 26, 2017 20:39:37 GMT -6
No we didn't watch the extras. We're they good to watch jedi? I did enjoy them. There's just one I'd watch. It's like 30'min. The other one is 5 min and takes bits and pieces out of that. They also talked about the suicide scene and the importance actually showing that. They also talked about the parent reactions and how they wanted to get that just right. The whole thing is just wow. Like I really like how they show HOW suicide can impact those around you. |
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Post by jedi on May 26, 2017 20:43:46 GMT -6
I was suicidal in jr high. So this hit home. It was able to talk to my mom about it, thank god.
I also had a friend that tried to commit suicide. She sent me an MSN im that said "I just took a bunch of pills and I'm drinking a whole bottle of wine" when I talked to my friends about it "hey guys what should I do" kinda thing.... they said "she's probably lying and doing it for the attention." They knew her too and were a friend to her but I was a closer friend. I ended saying to them "i can't risk it. What if she isn't?" Well she wasn't and I called a trusted adult friend of ours who already had just heard about it and she was already on the way to help.
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Post by jedi on May 26, 2017 20:44:33 GMT -6
And my brothers first wife. Her brother committed suicide.
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Post by redandblue on May 26, 2017 21:10:47 GMT -6
jedi it is such an important topic to be able to discuss openly and really listen when someone shares that they have suicidal thoughts. I'm sorry that you have had so much first hand experience with it. When DS1 was in grade 7 there was a student in grade who died by suicide. Ds1 knew her somewhat but knew her brother more. I couldn't believe I was having those conversations with him at age 12. Broke my heart, but also opened my eyes to how things are much different for kids these days. So many young people struggle with their mental health, and left untreated can have serious consequences.
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Post by jedi on May 26, 2017 23:16:12 GMT -6
jedi it is such an important topic to be able to discuss openly and really listen when someone shares that they have suicidal thoughts. I'm sorry that you have had so much first hand experience with it. When DS1 was in grade 7 there was a student in grade who died by suicide. Ds1 knew her somewhat but knew her brother more. I couldn't believe I was having those conversations with him at age 12. Broke my heart, but also opened my eyes to how things are much different for kids these days. So many young people struggle with their mental health, and left untreated can have serious consequences. I was 12 or 13 when I wanted to kill myself. I read a story about yellow ribbon project suicide prevention. It was in one of those chicken soup for the soul books. There was an address and I wrote to them. They wrote me back and sent "i need help" cards. While I didn't give these cards to my mom it did give me the courage to talk to her. I should really ask her about this. I may have even been 11. My memory is failing me |
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Post by fierymama on May 27, 2017 4:29:05 GMT -6
I feel like the uncomfortable scenes needed to be so. I mean, talking about rape and suicide can be uncomfortable so it shouldn't be easy to see.
My step-MILs brother committed suicide and they asked me to put some music together that was Irish themed for the funeral. C was 1.5 then?
A girl that my mom works with... Her ex committed suicide and his kids were young at the time. To hear the stories of how they were affected were heartbreaking. I believe their son was suicidal for a while and thought it was his fault.
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Post by jedi on May 27, 2017 5:22:34 GMT -6
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Post by brassyclarinet on May 30, 2017 19:32:35 GMT -6
I don't like how my young 6th-8th grade students are watching it and discussing. what age to you all think is appropriate?
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Post by fierymama on May 30, 2017 19:36:29 GMT -6
I don't like how my young 6th-8th grade students are watching it and discussing. what age to you all think is appropriate? I don't know. I think of they are having good discussions, then I would be okay with it. If they aren't fully understanding the concept, I would be a little more worried. Kids are in such a different place than I was in 6th - 8th grade and the internet isn't a helping factor in bullying. |
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Post by jedi on May 31, 2017 7:32:17 GMT -6
I don't like how my young 6th-8th grade students are watching it and discussing. what age to you all think is appropriate? I don't know. I think of they are having good discussions, then I would be okay with it. If they aren't fully understanding the concept, I would be a little more worried. Kids are in such a different place than I was in 6th - 8th grade and the internet isn't a helping factor in bullying. I agree with this. In that small 30 min thing that I mentioned they talk about that too. When we were kids we could turn off the bullying, mostly, when we went home. Or at the very least we could feel safe (depending on home life I guess) but with social media, cell phones and tablets that's not the case anymore. |
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Post by amberlie on Jun 1, 2017 3:57:25 GMT -6
jedi the package she mailed was the tapes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by amberlie on Jun 1, 2017 4:00:41 GMT -6
I liked it. I read the book when it came out about 5 years ago. A second season has been announced. I feel like it will have a school shooting storyline bc of photographer boy and his weird dark room hitlist. I think Alex will live so that they can explore the repercussions of a suicide attempt where someone survives. There are a lot of questions for s2 I think. What happens with Bryce and Justin... will Alex live, how will Jessica's dad react to hearing she was raped, what the Bakers and Mr. Proctor will do with the tapes. And of course what creepy stalker boy will do with all those guns and pipe bombs in his room.
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Post by jedi on Jun 1, 2017 4:02:32 GMT -6
jedi the package she mailed was the tapes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So she had two sets? Because she gave one to tony. And who did she mail them to? |
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Post by amberlie on Jun 1, 2017 4:03:14 GMT -6
Yes 2 sets. One for tony and the other mailed to Justin since he is tape 1.
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Post by jedi on Jun 1, 2017 5:23:07 GMT -6
Yes 2 sets. One for tony and the other mailed to Justin since he is tape 1. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ah. I thought tony gave them to Justin. Got it. |
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Post by amberlie on Jun 1, 2017 11:27:37 GMT -6
jedi the set tony had was a backup in case someone didn't pass them on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by redandblue on Jun 1, 2017 17:38:14 GMT -6
I don't like how my young 6th-8th grade students are watching it and discussing. what age to you all think is appropriate? I think grade 6 is too young, but some kids may be able to handle the discussions in grade 8. I would probably lean towards grade 9 as an age acceptable to start watching and discussing with adults who can be supportive. |
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Post by jedi on Jun 1, 2017 18:19:51 GMT -6
I don't like how my young 6th-8th grade students are watching it and discussing. what age to you all think is appropriate? I think grade 6 is too young, but some kids may be able to handle the discussions in grade 8. I would probably lean towards grade 9 as an age acceptable to start watching and discussing with adults who can be supportive. I most definitely think grade 6 not too young. I was suicidal in 7th grade. Maybe even 6th. I can't remember but a discussion that young would get kids understanding what they might be experiencing i they can get help sooner |
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