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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 17:53:55 GMT -6
DD's bday is 10/7 and we'd love to send her with her brother but our district doesn't allow testing in. Good luck to her in the fall!
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Post by sunshine on May 26, 2017 18:24:20 GMT -6
My DD3 will be 5 in September. We just did her screening this past week and we won't get the results until sometime next month. I'm surprised that they would compare them to the level of a 6-year-old. I also thought that Kindergarten was for learning sight words, adding, and subtracting. Are these things she should already know?
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Post by lupineaura on May 26, 2017 21:10:47 GMT -6
Congrats!
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Post by headinthesand on May 27, 2017 3:04:28 GMT -6
Congrats to your daughter (and you)!
If it's any help, I think they compare kids to 6 years olds because they "technically" are skipping a grade based on the states rules/assessment process.
FWIW, I think it's silly, especially since I have a late birthday and under current rules would have been held back under current guidelines & graduated at the top of my class.
/anecdote
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Post by Sparkly on May 27, 2017 4:51:20 GMT -6
That's great!
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Post by McBenny on May 27, 2017 6:37:44 GMT -6
For us to start early (with the kids turning 5, 3 months and 4 months later) they had to pass the STAAR test for a 3rd grader. So, I didn't even bother.
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Post by tapdancer on May 27, 2017 6:56:01 GMT -6
As a former K teacher I cared more about the maturity of the student then about their academic skills. In our district they had to pass a test and then they could start on a trial basis and if they were socially not ready we would sit down and have a discussion by the end of sept. I only had a couple of kids start early but all were ready. If you think she is then I'd say go for it. Kids need to be challenged.
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Post by willow on May 27, 2017 7:32:02 GMT -6
I started K early. I was a late November birthday which they probably don't even consider anymore, but this was the early 90s. I'm so happy that my parents did it for me, I never felt like I was behind and in fact took mostly honors classes in HS. I think it's great of the kid is ready!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 7:33:36 GMT -6
We didn't have to do an IQ test but when we did DS's screening we were in the same boat. He's only a few days older than your DD iirc. We're sending him.
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Post by sunshine on May 27, 2017 14:13:17 GMT -6
My DD3 will be 5 in September. We just did her screening this past week and we won't get the results until sometime next month. I'm surprised that they would compare them to the level of a 6-year-old. I also thought that Kindergarten was for learning sight words, adding, and subtracting. Are these things she should already know? I thought that was too much. K is when they learn sight words and adding! The group (principal, gifted director, and school psychologist) did say they couldn't expect her to know all that if she wasn't taught. We work on the basic concepts of adding/subtracting with objects, like when she helps me make dinner, but she's not at written number math level yet. That's why they said they were on the fence. But if she knew all that already wouldn't she be ready for 1st grade! We will have another meeting 6 weeks after school starts to evaluate how she is doing. I'm pretty confident she will do well. I would say we do the same types of things as you do with adding and subtracting during our daily lives, but I'm fairly confident my DD couldn't do it on paper. I know the expectations in schools are getting higher and higher every year, but it does seem like if they know all of that then they should skip kindergarten or be considered gifted. I'm also nervous that she is my first to go to a daycare for preschool and not an actual preschool. So, I'm hoping she will be ready with what we have taught her at home and what she has learned while at daycare. Congrats to your DD on starting this fall! |
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Post by sunshine on May 27, 2017 14:16:01 GMT -6
For us to start early (with the kids turning 5, 3 months and 4 months later) they had to pass the STAAR test for a 3rd grader. So, I didn't even bother. Wut?? Third grade? |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 16:43:36 GMT -6
So we had our Kindergarten meeting for DD2 this morning. She passed the IQ with 125. K assessment she was in the 80% for her age. But then they compared it to 6 yr olds (2 yrs higher!) And she was average, because she couldn't answer sight words or do addition and subtraction. WTF?! That's what they learn in K! I read, in their paperwork, that they needed to assess at an age range about 1 yr higher so for Oct bday 13 months higher, Dec bday 15 months higher. Which I said and that Sept bday wasn't listed because according to the state of OH a birthday before 9/30 is eligible for Kindergarten. TL;DR so they were on the fence as they said and are leaving it up to us. So DD2 is starting K in the fall! My S12 kid is starting K this year too! |
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Post by billyhorrible on May 27, 2017 18:27:03 GMT -6
I also thought that Kindergarten was for learning sight words, adding, and subtracting. Are these things she should already know? They're supposed to know 20 sight words before starting kindergarten here, as well as basic addition and subtraction (things they could use fingers to figure out.) My son did that all in preschool this year, but the kids that didn't know it at their assessments were given resources to work on during the summer. |
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Post by klondike on May 27, 2017 18:44:26 GMT -6
I'm glad she gets to start in the fall. I know you're making the best decision for her.
When we went through this with DS, he had to score in a very high percentile on the end of year kindergarten assessment in addition to all the other testing. They told us he had to prove that he was beyond ready. So to enter kindergarten "early," he had to demonstrate that he was capable of entering 1st grade.
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Post by bunnyfungo on May 27, 2017 18:45:49 GMT -6
I also thought that Kindergarten was for learning sight words, adding, and subtracting. Are these things she should already know? They're supposed to know 20 sight words before starting kindergarten here, as well as basic addition and subtraction (things they could use fingers to figure out.) My son did that all in preschool this year, but the kids that didn't know it at their assessments were given resources to work on during the summer. Wut. This is ridiculous. I am actually upset by this. I'm sure I'm in mom defense mode. But fuck that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 18:55:39 GMT -6
I also thought that Kindergarten was for learning sight words, adding, and subtracting. Are these things she should already know? They're supposed to know 20 sight words before starting kindergarten here, as well as basic addition and subtraction (things they could use fingers to figure out.) My son did that all in preschool this year, but the kids that didn't know it at their assessments were given resources to work on during the summer. Do you mind me asking where you are? DS's preschool said he was behind on reading skills by not knowing sight words or the letters enough to form sight words but at his K screening they said that they don't Focus on that until half way through the year. They also didn't make him do any math other than number recognition and counting at his assessment. |
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Post by bunnyfungo on May 27, 2017 19:20:14 GMT -6
Wut. This is ridiculous. I am actually upset by this. I'm sure I'm in mom defense mode. But fuck that. That's insane. The end Right? They asked my kid shapes, colors, numbers up to 20 and to recognize as many upper and lowercase letters as she could. |
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Post by bunnyfungo on May 27, 2017 19:26:32 GMT -6
Right? They asked my kid shapes, colors, numbers up to 20 and to recognize as many upper and lowercase letters as she could. This is typical for by too. I think they have to go to 100 but that is recent. Also I think people get tripped up thinking you have to pass this. An assessment is to see what kids need services, setting up classes etc. It should not be used to tell people their kids are behind so they can't attend kindergarten that year. This shit makes me rage. Sorry for the rant Can you imagine if that was actually a requirement? How many low income students would never even get to Kindergarten? Sorry to derail, guys. I just think some of these expectations are ridiculous. Even families that can afford preschool, wouldn't meet most of those requirements. That's why we have public education. Well, until DeVos unravels it all. |
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Post by billyhorrible on May 27, 2017 20:12:32 GMT -6
This is typical for by too. I think they have to go to 100 but that is recent. Also I think people get tripped up thinking you have to pass this. An assessment is to see what kids need services, setting up classes etc. It should not be used to tell people their kids are behind so they can't attend kindergarten that year. This shit makes me rage. Sorry for the rant Can you imagine if that was actually a requirement? How many low income students would never even get to Kindergarten? Sorry to derail, guys. I just think some of these expectations are ridiculous. Even families that can afford preschool, wouldn't meet most of those requirements. That's why we have public education. Well, until DeVos unravels it all. We're in a really low income area. Really low. And our school district is the worst in the county. Most families do not have their kids in preschool as there are only 3 preschools in the area. Most stay home with relatives, including teenage siblings who miss school to stay home with them. For over half of the students English isn't their first language. I think the push is mostly because of this, because our schools don't have the resources or time to start from square one. They need as many kids as possible to be prepared because they're going to be spending most of their time working with the kids who don't have even a basic grasp of numbers/letters/colors/shapes. On the other side, for the kids who were in preschool, because of the age cutoff, most of the kids will be closer to six. They are likely to have had an extra year of preschool or pre-k/transitional kindergarten. Which means they're coming in with a lot more education than when we were younger. Our preschool is pretty crappy, but this whole past year they've been working on sight words because the class is all 5 year olds who learned their colors, shapes, letters, and numbers when they were 4. |
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Post by bunnyfungo on May 27, 2017 20:15:50 GMT -6
Can you imagine if that was actually a requirement? How many low income students would never even get to Kindergarten? Sorry to derail, guys. I just think some of these expectations are ridiculous. Even families that can afford preschool, wouldn't meet most of those requirements. That's why we have public education. Well, until DeVos unravels it all. We're in a really low income area. Really low. And our school district is the worst in the county. Most families do not have their kids in preschool as there are only 3 preschools in the area. Most stay home with relatives, including teenage siblings who miss school to stay home with them. For over half of the students English isn't their first language. I think the push is mostly because of this, because our schools don't have the resources or time to start from square one. They need as many kids as possible to be prepared because they're going to be spending most of their time working with the kids who don't have even a basic grasp of numbers/letters/colors/shapes. On the other side, for the kids who were in preschool, because of the age cutoff, most of the kids will be closer to six. They are likely to have had an extra year of preschool or pre-k/transitional kindergarten. Which means they're coming in with a lot more education than when we were younger. Our preschool is pretty crappy, but this whole past year they've been working on sight words because the class is all 5 year olds who learned their colors, shapes, letters, and numbers when they were 4. I'm not trying to be an ass, but I legitimately don't understand. So most of the district is comprised of students who wouldn't meet the academic qualifiers they set for Kindy? But it's cool because the don't want to bother teaching to the lowest common denominator? This makes zero sense. All districts face this. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 20:22:45 GMT -6
bunnyfungo said what I was thinking in a much better way than I could say.
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Post by billyhorrible on May 27, 2017 20:25:01 GMT -6
I'm not trying to be an ass, but I legitimately don't understand. So most of the district is comprised of students who wouldn't meet the academic qualifiers they set for Kindy? But it's cool because the don't want to bother teaching to the lowest common denominator? This makes zero sense. All districts face this. Yes and no. Yes, most of the kids don't meet the qualifiers. No, they only teach to the lowest common denominator. So if your kid recognizes the alphabet and numbers, that's as much as they're going to learn from the kindergarten. They will not get to sight words. Or counting. Because they spend the year working on learning the letters of the alphabet since most of the students haven't seen them before. So the schools want as many kids as possible to have that coming in, providing resources for the parents to work with them over the summer so they can try to be closer to the nationwide level by the time they start standardized testing. And no, I don't think all schools face this or our district wouldn't be in the bottom 2% of the state. |
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Post by bunnyfungo on May 27, 2017 20:28:12 GMT -6
I'm not trying to be an ass, but I legitimately don't understand. So most of the district is comprised of students who wouldn't meet the academic qualifiers they set for Kindy? But it's cool because the don't want to bother teaching to the lowest common denominator? This makes zero sense. All districts face this. Yes and no. Yes, most of the kids don't meet the qualifiers. No, they only teach to the lowest common denominator. So if your kid recognizes the alphabet and numbers, that's as much as they're going to learn from the kindergarten. They will not get to sight words. Or counting. Because they spend the year working on learning the letters of the alphabet since most of the students haven't seen them before. So the schools want as many kids as possible to have that coming in, providing resources for the parents to work with them over the summer so they can try to be closer to the nationwide level by the time they start standardized testing. And no, I don't think all schools face this or our district wouldn't be in the bottom 2% of the state. Okay. That makes more sense. But I still think it's ridiculous. DD1 just had her K assessment and they absolutely didn't expect her to know her letters and that is something that they teach because they assume that students don't know them going in. I think your district is doing a disservice to its students by treating them like two different classes of people. But I'm not a Kindy teacher. |
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Post by billyhorrible on May 27, 2017 20:28:41 GMT -6
I'm obviously not wording this well, so forgive me, because it has been many years since I personally was in kindergarten 😉
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Post by petrichor on May 28, 2017 4:36:53 GMT -6
I'm not trying to be an ass, but I legitimately don't understand. So most of the district is comprised of students who wouldn't meet the academic qualifiers they set for Kindy? But it's cool because the don't want to bother teaching to the lowest common denominator? This makes zero sense. All districts face this. Yes and no. Yes, most of the kids don't meet the qualifiers. No, they only teach to the lowest common denominator. So if your kid recognizes the alphabet and numbers, that's as much as they're going to learn from the kindergarten. They will not get to sight words. Or counting. Because they spend the year working on learning the letters of the alphabet since most of the students haven't seen them before. So the schools want as many kids as possible to have that coming in, providing resources for the parents to work with them over the summer so they can try to be closer to the nationwide level by the time they start standardized testing. And no, I don't think all schools face this or our district wouldn't be in the bottom 2% of the state. As a K teacher, this makes zero sense to me. I teach in a large urban school district. Many of my students know zero letters and sounds when they enter, don't even know the first letter of their name, don't know English, etc. You don't spend the full year teaching letters at the expense of the rest of the curriculum, and you don't make the students who already know those things sit stagnantly for a year. You differentiate, you intervene, you use small group instruction. And you also don't wait until children know all letters to teach them to read. |
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Post by lupineaura on May 28, 2017 5:30:47 GMT -6
I also thought that Kindergarten was for learning sight words, adding, and subtracting. Are these things she should already know? They're supposed to know 20 sight words before starting kindergarten here, as well as basic addition and subtraction (things they could use fingers to figure out.) My son did that all in preschool this year, but the kids that didn't know it at their assessments were given resources to work on during the summer. In my opinion, that's rediculous. I mean, I truly think it's great if your (general your) pre-K kid knows site words, but I'm not going to drill my four-year-old. About anything in which she is not naturally interested. |
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Post by petrichor on May 28, 2017 5:39:06 GMT -6
They're supposed to know 20 sight words before starting kindergarten here, as well as basic addition and subtraction (things they could use fingers to figure out.) My son did that all in preschool this year, but the kids that didn't know it at their assessments were given resources to work on during the summer. In my opinion, that's rediculous. I mean, I truly think it's great if your (general your) pre-K kid knows site words, but I'm not going to drill my four-year-old. About anything in which she is not naturally interested. Yeah, I'm confused about all these requirements. They aren't developmentally appropriate. Although I do get that if you're seeking early entrance the expectation should be a little higher. |
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Post by Pistol on May 28, 2017 6:03:34 GMT -6
I started K early. I was a late November birthday which they probably don't even consider anymore, but this was the early 90s. I'm so happy that my parents did it for me, I never felt like I was behind and in fact took mostly honors classes in HS. I think it's great of the kid is ready! Never mind. I can't math this early in the morning. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 6:31:54 GMT -6
SNIP /quote] I'm a July bday and started when I was 4. Oddly enough I don't think that was early at that time because I know lots of other summer bday who started when they were 4, including my little brother. It may be regional but you wouldn't find that to be the case in K here. DD is an Aug birthday. She started K on her 5th birthday. There's only one other 2010 summer Birthday in her class, and they are early June. I don't know anyone else in our area who didn't put their summer 2010 kid into tK instead of K. So many parents redshirt now that there are kids over a year older than she is. It's honestly been pretty hard socially. I think it'd be different if it were more common and there wasn't such an age gap. But it's tough when you're newly 5 or 6 (in 1st) and compared against 6 and 7 year olds constantly. It's a large part of the reason we're switching schools and holding her back - academically she's well ahead but struggles with strict behavior expectations and friendships. I do think it's fine for some kids, but a lot depends on what others are doing in the area and general expectations of teachers. |
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Post by Pistol on May 28, 2017 7:04:33 GMT -6
It may be regional but you wouldn't find that to be the case in K here. DD is an Aug birthday. She started K on her 5th birthday. There's only one other 2010 summer Birthday in her class, and they are early June. I don't know anyone else in our area who didn't put their summer 2010 kid into tK instead of K. So many parents redshirt now that there are kids over a year older than she is. It's honestly been pretty hard socially. I think it'd be different if it were more common and there wasn't such an age gap. But it's tough when you're newly 5 or 6 (in 1st) and compared against 6 and 7 year olds constantly. It's a large part of the reason we're switching schools and holding her back - academically she's well ahead but struggles with strict behavior expectations and friendships. I do think it's fine for some kids, but a lot depends on what others are doing in the area and general expectations of teachers. yeah I realized I did my math wrong. H is currently laughing at me. |
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