Interesting article on rear facing.

[aggiebug]

carseatblog.com/43048/

Its an interesting new light on the benefits of extended rear facing or possibly the lack there of.

[hangry]

So what I'm reading is that they are questioning the study that claims that it is 5x more safe to RF than FF until 2 yo. But that it still safer? Just don't know by how much?

It's interesting that this research is being questioned, and repeat or similar studies would be great. I will still stick with RF until at least 2 until this is confirmed one way or another.

[aggiebug]

DD was 2 when we switched her and at this point DS will be too unless something drastically changes, but I honestly don't see the 2 year recommendation changing. The 4 yr recommendation possibly but not the 2 yr.

[tgrimes]

I'm still going to keep H rear facing until 2. I think M was around 2.5 when we switched her.

[vino]

+1 to keeping rear facing. I think B was close to 3 when we switched, J will be the same.

[aggiebug]

Aug 13, 2017 7:02:38 GMT -6 vino said:

+1 to keeping rear facing. I think B was close to 3 when we switched, J will be the same.

Just curious but did you read the article?

I think it's important, not just this subject but any evidence based information, to continue revaluating the information provided. This article is not saying rfing is wrong but the basis for the recommendation is definitely called into question.

[vino]

I did read the article, thanks.

Sure, bring on the information but one article and or study will not be changing my mind, I'll be following the recommendation of my pedi.

[tgrimes]

Aug 13, 2017 7:40:25 GMT -6 aggiebug said:

Aug 13, 2017 7:02:38 GMT -6 vino said:

+1 to keeping rear facing. I think B was close to 3 when we switched, J will be the same.

Just curious but did you read the article?

I think it's important, not just this subject but any evidence based information, to continue revaluating the information provided. This article is not saying rfing is wrong but the basis for the recommendation is definitely called into question.

Not vino but there's a pediatric ER dr on N13. She's discussed what she's seen in the ER from children that were FF. Internal decapitation from turning FF too soon is not something that I'm wanting for my child.

[flamingo]

My takeaway was that the photos showing the Swedish 'model'-- with a sparkling clean car interior--were clearly staged. No actual parent's car has ever been that clean 😉

[classymrsa]

My read was that they couldn't replicate the study saying RF is 5x safer than FF, but that the physics is still the same and RF is therefore still at least marginally safer. I know we keep learning things and I'm glad that they're continuing to re-evaluate, but I'm not entirely sure what their point here is exactly beyond saying the percentage is maybe wrong.

Also, similar to tgrimes's comment, my dad's gf has worked as a nurse in many capacities for decades and has seen some crazy shit. She has told me repeatedly to leave Lillian RF until she meets the weight limit. That will be when she's like 8, so I'm aiming for 4, though we may flip het for our trek to CO next summer when she's 3.

[sophiegrace]

The title of this article is so misleading and I sincerely hope it never makes itself out to the general public since many people will read only that and not the actual information.

The facts of basic physics plus the maturation timeline of the cervical spine will always produce the results of RF to be safer than FF for the first two+ years.

[starbuck]

I really wish they would do some new studies with new cars, the way seats are built...basically all the things they mentioned in the study that have changed. I think that if they do that, they may even discover that some of the currently accepted guidelines for building the actual car seats can be further improved.


Edit for clarity

[aggiebug]

Aug 13, 2017 10:34:39 GMT -6 sophiegrace said:

The title of this article is so misleading and I sincerely hope it never makes itself out to the general public since many people will read only that and not the actual information.

The facts of basic physics plus the maturation timeline of the cervical spine will always produce the results of RF to be safer than FF for the first two+ years.

This is why I definitely don't see the 2 year recommendation changing. But I do have concerns with the current car seat model and rear facing past 2 yrs of age. Not that it's dangerous more that with the current perception, car seats can be used incorrectly keeping kids rfing inappropriately if that makes sense? Now we switched DD at 2yr 3 months for a lot of factors and I am not saying I will turn ds that quickly I just think this points out a lot of what was wrong in the original study which is a good thing. It means we can move forward with overall safety.

[sophiegrace]

Aug 13, 2017 12:50:52 GMT -6 aggiebug said:

Aug 13, 2017 10:34:39 GMT -6 sophiegrace said:

The title of this article is so misleading and I sincerely hope it never makes itself out to the general public since many people will read only that and not the actual information.

The facts of basic physics plus the maturation timeline of the cervical spine will always produce the results of RF to be safer than FF for the first two+ years.

This is why I definitely don't see the 2 year recommendation changing. But I do have concerns with the current car seat model and rear facing past 2 yrs of age. Not that it's dangerous more that with the current perception, car seats can be used incorrectly keeping kids rfing inappropriately if that makes sense? Now we switched DD at 2yr 3 months for a lot of factors and I am not saying I will turn ds that quickly I just think this points out a lot of what was wrong in the original study which is a good thing. It means we can move forward with overall safety.

I can definitely agree with that. starbuck also made a great point in the possibility of improving the actual design and safety of the car seats. And I also do agree on the point that they really need to start testing on different backseats. My H and I have the same convertible seat in both of our SUVs and the installation/fit is vastly different even though they both have the LATCH system. It's so easy to assume that everything is fine and as safe as can be since the car seat is installed correctly and the car itself has a great safety rating, but maybe it's not.

[tallb]

Well I am about to switch j FF since N is graduating to a convertible and I want to be able to climb over his seat to use the middle seat. I was a little hesitant, but this makes me feel a bit better. He will be 4 in November.