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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 17:41:48 GMT -6
sorry, my next post explains it. Slow old laptop.
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Post by Eagles on Jul 11, 2024 17:42:47 GMT -6
Asked about MVP, he says, "I wouldn't have picked Vice President tr.ump if I didn't have confidence in her" Fuuuuuuck
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Post by enchanted on Jul 11, 2024 17:43:19 GMT -6
Asked about MVP, he says, "I wouldn't have picked Vice President tr.ump if I didn't have confidence in her" Fuuuuuuck Yeah.
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Post by Eagles on Jul 11, 2024 17:43:53 GMT -6
I don't understand it because when he's doing these campaign stops he's good speaking off the cuff.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 17:44:08 GMT -6
"I'm not running to secure my legacy, I'm running to finish the job," telling his reliable story of his dad as a working middle class parent, economic populism. He's warming up now and feeling good because he leaned into the microphones and fake whispered.
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Post by enchanted on Jul 11, 2024 17:44:31 GMT -6
I'm not watching, just reading, but this is not going to help anything. Fuck.
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Post by lucilleaustero on Jul 11, 2024 17:46:30 GMT -6
Yeah, he needs to drop out. It is getting worse, not better and Dems need to have a real honest conversation with themselves. He has dedicated his life to public service and the last great act he can do is step down.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 17:46:52 GMT -6
I don't understand it because when he's doing these campaign stops he's good speaking off the cuff. His advisers get into his head too much. I noticed a glowing story about Mike Donilon in the Boston Globe this week.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 17:49:17 GMT -6
Oh that's very interesting and well handled off the cuff. Asked about POTUS reportedly saying he needs to end his public schedule by 8:00 he says that, no, he said he thought it would be better to START fundraisers at 8 as opposed to 9 and to be more aware of international travel relative to the next debate (also, "I love my staff but, they add things. They add things. I'm catching hell from my wife.") I have been keeping a full schedule, attending every event, many of them with thousands of people. Meanwhile, the other guy is golfing?
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Post by geekygirly on Jul 11, 2024 17:49:23 GMT -6
I don't understand it because when he's doing these campaign stops he's good speaking off the cuff. Maybe it is pressure/nerves? I’m sure he knows the press is foaming at the mouth for him to not do well.
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Post by Eagles on Jul 11, 2024 17:50:34 GMT -6
Yeah, he needs to drop out. It is getting worse, not better and Dems need to have a real honest conversation with themselves. He has dedicated his life to public service and the last great act he can do is step down. The party would fall into disarray and form factions trying to select a new candidate, and they won't run Kamala because she's a Black woman and America is a racist, misogynistic hellhole.
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Post by elle on Jul 11, 2024 17:50:59 GMT -6
Yeah. "Nasty cold." *sigh* (Remember 2nd Doug was recently diagnosed with Covid...) Oh I wasn't trying to be cute, everyone I know is battling illness or the lingering effects of one right now Sorry if that came out snotty, that's not at all what I meant. Only that everyone seems to be sick with some kind of crud right now while covid wastewater is through the roof. 🫤
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Post by byjove on Jul 11, 2024 17:51:20 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 17:51:45 GMT -6
Defiant Joe truly can be the most compelling Joe, IMO, because it's that scrappy American ideal and he just speaks from the heart. When he feels like he needs to get too much information out in one answer for the wonks reading the WSJ/WaPo/NYT and dissecting his answers on the morning shows, that's where he trips up. I think a lot of progressives, myself included, held that against him in the 2020 primary but the fact remains that plenty of people voted for him BECAUSE of that.
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Post by Eagles on Jul 11, 2024 17:54:56 GMT -6
Oh I wasn't trying to be cute, everyone I know is battling illness or the lingering effects of one right now Sorry if that came out snotty, that's not at all what I meant. Only that everyone seems to be sick with some kind of crud right now while covid wastewater is through the roof. 🫤 I was congested before covid, which I chalked up to the air conditioning. Then obviously I got rona, and now I'm still clearing my throat. I feel like everyone is a little mucus-y.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 17:55:09 GMT -6
Ok that was a great answer, IMO. "I don't hear any of my great European allies coming up to me saying, 'Joe don't run,' they say to me, 'You've got to win. You've GOT to win." Obviously they aren't going to be jerks to a US President but the point stands. "you're talking about the Findlanization of Ukraine, well how about the NATO-isation of Finland." That's not an easy thing for a guy with a stutter who has been in meetings with 15 world leaders to seamlessly whip out.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 17:56:02 GMT -6
Oh I wasn't trying to be cute, everyone I know is battling illness or the lingering effects of one right now Sorry if that came out snotty, that's not at all what I meant. Only that everyone seems to be sick with some kind of crud right now while covid wastewater is through the roof. 🫤 Oh not at all!! I just wanted to make sure I didn't sound flippant
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Post by elle on Jul 11, 2024 17:56:34 GMT -6
Defiant Joe truly can be the most compelling Joe, IMO, because it's that scrappy American ideal and he just speaks from the heart. When he feels like he needs to get too much information out in one answer for the wonks reading the WSJ/WaPo/NYT and dissecting his answers on the morning shows, that's where he trips up. I think a lot of progressives, myself included, held that against him in the 2020 primary but the fact remains that plenty of people voted for him BECAUSE of that. And that's exactly what went wrong with the debate. He tried to be too wonky when his opponent was just gish galloping. If he had just been himself, even with the weird lighting and audio, it would've been 1000× better. And also why I'm reminded of The West Wing - "Let Bartlett be Bartlett."
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 17:56:45 GMT -6
"Be nice, David" LOL
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Post by lucilleaustero on Jul 11, 2024 17:58:10 GMT -6
Yeah, he needs to drop out. It is getting worse, not better and Dems need to have a real honest conversation with themselves. He has dedicated his life to public service and the last great act he can do is step down. The party would fall into disarray and form factions trying to select a new candidate, and they won't run Kamala because she's a Black woman and America is a racist, misogynistic hellhole. I don't disagree. But, I also see him losing the independent bloc that voted for him last time. Dems and Reps do not win politicians their elections, Independents do. Polls are showing the majority of Dems want Biden to drop out. I know this is unpopular here, but this is something the DNC should have dealt with last year. I will vote for a tree stump over t.rump, but I think my way of thinking is losing popularity.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 17:58:14 GMT -6
He definitely seems quieter and like he has had a long couple of days, but this is a lot more like the Joe Biden I am used to than the poppop who was at the debate. IMO.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 18:02:44 GMT -6
Talking about strategic competition with China, and dealing diplomatically with Xi's decision to (allegedly) provide aid to Russia's war on Ukraine. Quoting international law related to outside entities conducting business in and with China and how his administration and others have negotiated to maintain economic competition; Reminding the audience of the stakes of a strategic alliance between China, DPRK and Russia.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 18:05:10 GMT -6
Spontaneous sidebar from POTUS, NATO and other western allies need to be the industrial base for defense production to basically render Russia and China irrelevant in terms of physical mite. That's good red meat for a lot of western allies at home whose manufacturing towns, like our own, have had a rough 20 years.
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Post by thechickencoop on Jul 11, 2024 18:07:10 GMT -6
Asked about MVP, he says, "I wouldn't have picked Vice President tr.ump if I didn't have confidence in her" Ugh I heard that and cringed. Again, nothing to bat an eye at normally but NOW??!! Ufhdjsosbshks
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 18:09:23 GMT -6
POTUS says he's not looking to talk to Putin yet because Putin is prosecuting an inhumane war. Basically, he's conscripted or driven away many of Russia's fine young people and much of its future. "I'm prepared to talk to any world leader who wants to talk...but I don't see any inclination. There is an inclination among the Chinese to talk...because look at what we've done in Asia." I think he's referring to how much stronger the Quad is now, which scares Xi.
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Post by thechickencoop on Jul 11, 2024 18:09:44 GMT -6
They need to get the man a glass of water up there.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 18:14:18 GMT -6
Talking about meeting with Golda Meir and Yitzhak Rabin to negotiate a peace plan is very impressive middle east diplomatic street cred for those who know their history, no doubt. He is also drawing a parallel between the Netanyahu war cabinet attacking Gaza to waging war in Iraq and Afghanistan following 9/11 and saying that he opposes both. Starts to mention a ceasefire and starts to bring up polling but catches himself.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 18:19:00 GMT -6
He seems, to me, to be getting tired, his last response was more halting and disjointed.
Asked about what is informing his decision to keep running.
POTUS says that he's gotten so used to the headlines going against him but he's focused on going out and spending time with voters and volunteers. "We've got scores of headquarters in all the toss-up states....and that's awfully hard to replace in the short term.'
"Im going to be going around making the case of the things that we have to finish, and how we can't afford to backslide..."
"Control guns not girls" Ok I do not at all love that
"More children are killed with a bullet than with [birth?]...whAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING?" Ok he's not tired anymore
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Post by jaygee on Jul 11, 2024 18:22:26 GMT -6
I do enjoy how he stops himself from rambling by saying “anyway”. It’s a good technique that more olds should try.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2024 18:23:02 GMT -6
"I've laid every bit of [my health] record out, I haven't hidden a thing. You should go ask Tr.u.mp for his...I'm surrounded by great doctors all the time and I'll do whatever they tell me...I'm not opposed, if they say, hey, you should have an exam"
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