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Post by angelashly on Aug 3, 2023 17:56:24 GMT -6
I find it highly suspect that this is all coming out after stories were done about Will and Kate living separately.
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Post by angelashly on Aug 3, 2023 17:59:01 GMT -6
Hmm I can’t imagine Harry using his people or the royal sources knowing anything but I guess time will tell. Where else would he get the money and power to get the deal he wants? I just don’t buy royal sources considering all the royal sources hate Meghan and want badly for this marriage to fail and him to come crawling back so they can feel vindicated
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Post by angelashly on Aug 3, 2023 18:00:48 GMT -6
Not saying it isn’t possible or even not happening I just need more than royal sources
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Post by bazi on Aug 3, 2023 18:05:36 GMT -6
I haven’t seen anything from Enty except what I just posted. I really ignored it. But when the old white guys with the proper English accents started weighing in, I thought, hmmmm. I think that even if they loathe each other, they wouldn’t actually divorce for awhile. Live separate lives maybe.
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Post by Cher on Aug 3, 2023 18:24:56 GMT -6
I haven’t seen anything from Enty except what I just posted. I really ignored it. But when the old white guys with the proper English accents started weighing in, I thought, hmmmm. I think that even if they loathe each other, they wouldn’t actually divorce for awhile. Live separate lives maybe. Oprah’s parties are going to be so awkward.
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Post by maybe on Aug 3, 2023 19:49:04 GMT -6
Cher I am interested in your thoughts though since I don’t TikTok on why you think they are divorcing because I feel I’m missing something important Lots of royal gossip people seem to have info. Like the people who only talk about royals. I saw Charles’ lawyers were allegedly working on it. It just feels like where there’s smoke….. And of course Harry (in my opinion) would go running back to Daddy. I think royal reporters are bored and any speculation on H+M gets them clicks. It’s a no-lose for them honestly because no one ever expects H+M to say they are right on anything.
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Post by maybe on Aug 3, 2023 19:53:05 GMT -6
I love Luke doing Fast Car because I want Tracy to get all the money and that whole album is one of my all time faves.
Also on Lizzo, I’m still lukewarm. She is a young boss with bad judgment and it’s ok for her to be arrogant and rude. That’s not illegal. I don’t believe she weight shames either. I just can’t see that unless the weight is preventing someone from being good. But, I could be choosing to remain in my bubble on her.
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Post by Lord Disick on Aug 3, 2023 21:13:21 GMT -6
There are so many on Twitter who hate Lizzo because she is a young, big, black woman who unapologetically loves herself and they're so fucking satisfied right now. I admit that I am in a state of denial or willful disbelief over these allegations because I hate those people so much.
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Post by angelashly on Aug 4, 2023 6:23:31 GMT -6
I love Luke doing Fast Car because I want Tracy to get all the money and that whole album is one of my all time faves. Also on Lizzo, I’m still lukewarm. She is a young boss with bad judgment and it’s ok for her to be arrogant and rude. That’s not illegal. I don’t believe she weight shames either. I just can’t see that unless the weight is preventing someone from being good. But, I could be choosing to remain in my bubble on her. Yes! I need more info than was she a “bully” like Meghan was because she has expectations of work being good because she as a WOC in a very white industry is scrutinized more which as Lord Disick just said the amount of people fat shaming her now and so happy she failed she wasn’t wrong.
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Post by babybean on Aug 4, 2023 6:44:37 GMT -6
I think some of it is Lizzo was young and made mistakes in terms of professional boundaries, but I’m not disregarding the hostile work environment and other accusations either. The people accusing her are also fat and BIPOC, they have a lot to lose making this case. Others in the industry are corroborating their stories. There’s also this: www.tiktok.com/t/ZM2WjT9Bc/People aren’t all good or all bad. Life happens, mistakes are made. Not all of these things are illegal but it’s still not okay and people are allowed to feel very duped and have complicated feelings they we await proceedings.
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Post by angelashly on Aug 4, 2023 6:50:56 GMT -6
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Post by angelashly on Aug 4, 2023 7:01:20 GMT -6
I think some of it is Lizzo was young and made mistakes in terms of professional boundaries, but I’m not disregarding the hostile work environment and other accusations either. The people accusing her are also fat and BIPOC, they have a lot to lose making this case. Others in the industry are corroborating their stories. There’s also this: www.tiktok.com/t/ZM2WjT9Bc/People aren’t all good or all bad. Life happens, mistakes are made. Not all of these things are illegal but it’s still not okay and people are allowed to feel very duped and have complicated feelings they we await proceedings. Oh I agree. I’m all over the place with this. No one should have to work in a toxic workplace
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Post by McBenny on Aug 4, 2023 7:48:05 GMT -6
July 20, 2023 The vast majority of the vocals used in this new song from the permanent A list singer are extras from the last track she did with the same singer. There was also AI involved. Britney Spears/Will.i.am (and a few days later, he admitted it) I thought this song was from a billion years ago.
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Post by McBenny on Aug 4, 2023 7:54:40 GMT -6
I vaguely read some stuff on the Lizzo allegations and it mentioned being 'forced to eat a banana out of someones vagina'. I know you all wanted to know about that. I saw that. It was a sex worker in Amsterdam. I just can't comprehend being forced to do something. Then when I saw the TMZ interview they said "well not forced" but they felt that there was this cloud of could I be fired if I don't do something. For Lizzo should not socialize with her dancers cause now she sees...keep it cute and professional. Also again, you were in the red light district in a sex place. I totally agree that no one should be forced to do anything. But then you sat on TMZ with your attorney and said not forced. Then you auditioned to get on Season 2 of Lizzo's show when if she was horrible, you could have left after the tour. IDK. I am going to sit in the I don't have all the information place. I want to believe people, but I have been burned in the past. Also I feel when women are bosses and exert themselves etc they get labeled difficult, hard to work with, etc, especially women of color. When it's a man, he's assertive, knows what he wants, strong leader, or eccentric. But also, stop putting entertainers on a pedestal. They are all human and fallible. To tell you the truth, I really don't care about this. She was not American's sweetheart for me. Ever.
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Post by McBenny on Aug 4, 2023 7:56:26 GMT -6
Also, yes Beyoncé cut the Lizzo line out of her song but she added “Badu, Badu, Badu” bc the day before Erykah was alleging that Beyoncé stole her style. So it was a double edge sword of removing Lizzo with the lawsuit but saying to Erykah, “I’m petty too”. Who am I? She also didn't say other people's names not just Lizzo. Last night Tina Knowles posted that she also did not say her sister's name. Just reporting.
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Post by McBenny on Aug 4, 2023 8:04:25 GMT -6
I also don't need any anecdotes of being made to feel you are forced to do something. I cannot relate. The stories about it won't make it so. No one could make me bend over and eat anything out of any orifice and chew it and swallow it. Sorry. Does not comprehend.
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Post by McBenny on Aug 4, 2023 8:08:39 GMT -6
There are so many on Twitter who hate Lizzo because she is a young, big, black woman who unapologetically loves herself and they're so fucking satisfied right now. I admit that I am in a state of denial or willful disbelief over these allegations because I hate those people so much. It also feels orchestrated to me. (However, keep in mind I am firmly on the bench that people like Olivia from Scandal and Ray Donovan do shit to save people and take people down all the time especially in Wash DC and Hollyweird.) Anyway, the law suit is filed and comes out... Cue other past employees (that already no longer work for her with history of allegedly already having unacceptable behavior in the past) so I won't publicly fire you but we won't work together anymore. Then Lizzo's current man's ex decides to share her story of Lizzo taking her man... TMZ interview (which I felt they did piss poor in but I digress)
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Post by McBenny on Aug 4, 2023 8:11:38 GMT -6
For me, I would not have brought my sexuality up in light of sexual harassment allegations.
however, in this instance I feel she did because of the sex place they were at and her touching on sex workers (all mutually consensual). I read it as more of I am very open and I need to know that others may not be.
That is how I personally read it. I am not saying anyone is correct or incorrect on their feelings.
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Post by unheardof on Aug 4, 2023 8:42:22 GMT -6
For me, I would not have brought my sexuality up in light of sexual harassment allegations. however, in this instance I feel she did because of the sex place they were at and her touching on sex workers (all mutually consensual). I read it as more of I am very open and I need to know that others may not be. That is how I personally read it. I am not saying anyone is correct or incorrect on their feelings. Yes, I didn’t interpret her saying it has anything other than this as well. People forget to look at overall context in a discussion at times and latch on to pieces and twist them to fit their narrative, unfortunately.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Aug 4, 2023 8:57:26 GMT -6
Yeah I don't love conflating one's sexual "openness" or fluidness as a reason why one might behave a certain way around other people who are not. It paves the way for lending credence to the whole idea that LGBTQIA people are inherently deviant and predatory. Which I take umbrage with as someone who would be labeled as more sexually "open". It doesn't make someone automatically pushier and harassing of people who are less comfortable in sexual spaces or forcing anyone to do something they aren't interested in doing. This. Exactly.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Aug 4, 2023 9:05:25 GMT -6
Also on Lizzo, I’m still lukewarm. She is a young boss with bad judgment and it’s ok for her to be arrogant and rude. That’s not illegal. I don’t believe she weight shames either. I just can’t see that unless the weight is preventing someone from being good. But, I could be choosing to remain in my bubble on her. Being arrogant and rude is not where I'm having the issue though. Forcing someone, or heavily suggesting a subordinate, to do an interactive show like that one is where I really want to cancel her. I give a lot of grace to people making mistakes, but this isn't the just a mistake IMO. It hurts my heart because I do (did?) love Lizzo.
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Post by angelashly on Aug 4, 2023 9:09:44 GMT -6
Also on Lizzo, I’m still lukewarm. She is a young boss with bad judgment and it’s ok for her to be arrogant and rude. That’s not illegal. I don’t believe she weight shames either. I just can’t see that unless the weight is preventing someone from being good. But, I could be choosing to remain in my bubble on her. Being arrogant and rude is not where I'm having the issue though. Forcing someone, or heavily suggesting a subordinate, to do an interactive show like that one is where I really want to cancel her. I give a lot of grace to people making mistakes, but this isn't the just a mistake IMO. It hurts my heart because I do (did?) love Lizzo. But the subsequent interviews are making it seem like it was the dancers saying I wonder if I don’t do this I’ll lose my job not that she said they had to do it. So it’s why I lean towards she is open sexually and doesn’t think about others not being comfortable That fear could come from her being a toxic boss I’m not denying that but it doesn’t sound like she was pushing them.
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Post by babybean on Aug 4, 2023 9:13:53 GMT -6
The accusers doing a press tour is getting side eye from me, I will say.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Aug 4, 2023 9:15:16 GMT -6
Being arrogant and rude is not where I'm having the issue though. Forcing someone, or heavily suggesting a subordinate, to do an interactive show like that one is where I really want to cancel her. I give a lot of grace to people making mistakes, but this isn't the just a mistake IMO. It hurts my heart because I do (did?) love Lizzo. But the subsequent interviews are making it seem like it was the dancers saying I wonder if I don’t do this I’ll lose my job not that she said they had to do it. So it’s why I lean towards she is open sexually and doesn’t think about others not being comfortable That fear could come from her being a toxic boss I’m not denying that but it doesn’t sound like she was pushing them. I keep going back and forth. It's really hard with the power dynamic between her and the dancers. I don't know.
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Post by babybean on Aug 4, 2023 9:16:28 GMT -6
Being arrogant and rude is not where I'm having the issue though. Forcing someone, or heavily suggesting a subordinate, to do an interactive show like that one is where I really want to cancel her. I give a lot of grace to people making mistakes, but this isn't the just a mistake IMO. It hurts my heart because I do (did?) love Lizzo. But the subsequent interviews are making it seem like it was the dancers saying I wonder if I don’t do this I’ll lose my job not that she said they had to do it. So it’s why I lean towards she is open sexually and doesn’t think about others not being comfortable That fear could come from her being a toxic boss I’m not denying that but it doesn’t sound like she was pushing them. I think she pushed them, but in a “do it! do it!” jestful way pretty much everyone has done to some extent in a group setting. Like I would encourage a friend to do karaoke, but if they give a hard no it’s a hard no.
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Post by angelashly on Aug 4, 2023 9:18:17 GMT -6
But the subsequent interviews are making it seem like it was the dancers saying I wonder if I don’t do this I’ll lose my job not that she said they had to do it. So it’s why I lean towards she is open sexually and doesn’t think about others not being comfortable That fear could come from her being a toxic boss I’m not denying that but it doesn’t sound like she was pushing them. I keep going back and forth. It's really hard with the power dynamic between her and the dancers. I don't know. It’s so hard
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Post by angelashly on Aug 4, 2023 9:18:49 GMT -6
But the subsequent interviews are making it seem like it was the dancers saying I wonder if I don’t do this I’ll lose my job not that she said they had to do it. So it’s why I lean towards she is open sexually and doesn’t think about others not being comfortable That fear could come from her being a toxic boss I’m not denying that but it doesn’t sound like she was pushing them. I think she pushed them, but in a “do it! do it!” jestful way pretty much everyone has done to some extent in a group setting. Like I would encourage a friend to do karaoke, but if they give a hard no it’s a hard no. Yes!
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Post by Cher on Aug 4, 2023 9:40:23 GMT -6
It’s the power dynamic that makes it tricky.
Also, walked the red light distract this summer and it is incredibly depressing. I can’t imagine being there with coworkers, no matter how relaxed the relationship. I was happy I was with MH so I could say I wanted to leave immediately.
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Post by Cher on Aug 4, 2023 9:44:56 GMT -6
July 21, 2023
The meme actor sure is spending a lot of time with a model he met during fashion week. The fact he is doing it 3000 miles away from the reality star kind of shows where that relationship is in the scheme of things.
Timothee Chalamet/Kylie Jenner
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Post by newspapers on Aug 4, 2023 9:50:11 GMT -6
I agree that people aren't inherently good or bad, and that the overreach was likely some poor judgment (if it happened--we do not know for sure). However, while I get everyone there is an adult, even having to wonder if you will lose your job for not engaging in an interactive strip show is a problem. The fact that the boss is encouraging it/offering it is the problem. (And no, I am not advocating for total cancellation even if some professional boundaries were crossed. People live and learn.)
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