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Post by McBenny on Jul 26, 2023 19:26:06 GMT -6
I’m Gladly get blocked and banned to prove someone is lying on me. But how would posting screenshots of what they sent you even help? it's receipts and or documentation that they are lying on you. Hello?
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Post by McBenny on Jul 26, 2023 19:28:38 GMT -6
you post them to prove someone is lying? I said lying on you. Meaning lying about what you said. How’s posting their words help prove you didn’t say something? Did you hit your head? Because the pms were posted. No one argued their authenticity! She then said her perception, timing, and she felt it was nasty. That's changing your story aka an untruth! Take all of that and the conclusion is a lie. Duh.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 26, 2023 19:33:03 GMT -6
I think the PM rule has to be all or nothing because otherwise whether or not the PM in question is innocuous or whatever is subjective and debatable. But here we are still debating anyway so maybe it’s all moot. I am ok with that but I just want it to be clear. If you said I sent you something and I post my words of my PM and you don't dispute it then I don't see why I should be banned? If I send you a PM of a screenshot of YOUR words that you posted on the forum and follow it with a thumbs up and I post it here, I do not see that as an invasion of privacy. I don't have any strong feelings about philo either way. I just found it all very juvenile and then add to that the tagging of admins, omg.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 26, 2023 19:35:15 GMT -6
I think the PM rule has to be all or nothing because otherwise whether or not the PM in question is innocuous or whatever is subjective and debatable. But here we are still debating anyway so maybe it’s all moot. I am ok with that but I just want it to be clear. If you said I sent you something and I post my words of my PM and you don't dispute it then I don't see why I should be banned? If I send you a PM of a screenshot of YOUR words that you posted on the forum and follow it with a thumbs up and I post it here, I do not see that as an invasion of privacy. I don't have any strong feelings about philo either way. I just found it all very juvenile and then add to that the tagging of admins, omg. Terms of use: "This also includes sharing information others post on a locked board or the content of private messages." Nothing about invasion of privacy. Do not share from private messages. End of discussion. No room for interpretation. I thought that's what you wanted so people couldn't play favorites?
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Post by McBenny on Jul 26, 2023 19:36:51 GMT -6
I don’t like rules that require the admins to exercise judgment, to be honest. Because they’re just like us and have people they like and those they don’t appreciate as much. To me, it’s much better, when reasonable, to have very clear rules. I read all 11 pages of this thread. I do not think the TOU need to be clarified in regards to posting another person’s pm. You can’t do it. The end. Not if they goad you, taunt you, lie on you, whatever. I mean I don't even know what to say cause then it's always I am being mean or whatever but I do not know what is being said here. You like clear rules but you don't think TOU needs to be clarified. It's above me now. I am releasing this.
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Post by TheoV2 on Jul 26, 2023 19:37:37 GMT -6
It's not there anymore, but at the bottom of the first screenshot PM was STP's PM response to philo. I *think* that is what triggered the ban, the posting of the response, not of what philo herself sent. FWIW I feel as though people should be able to screenshot and share the messages they send if need be because that's their words. The line for me is when you're sharing a PM sent to you which philo did do in her first screenshot.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 26, 2023 19:38:25 GMT -6
I am ok with that but I just want it to be clear. If you said I sent you something and I post my words of my PM and you don't dispute it then I don't see why I should be banned? If I send you a PM of a screenshot of YOUR words that you posted on the forum and follow it with a thumbs up and I post it here, I do not see that as an invasion of privacy. I don't have any strong feelings about philo either way. I just found it all very juvenile and then add to that the tagging of admins, omg. Terms of use: "This also includes sharing information others post on a locked board or the content of private messages." Nothing about invasion of privacy. Do not share from private messages. End of discussion. No room for interpretation. I thought that's what you wanted so people couldn't play favorites? I wanted it to include can you post what YOU said in PM OR NOT like WHEN SOMEONE FUCKING LIES ON YOU. I have said that more than once already. For future reference. Admin
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Post by TheoV2 on Jul 26, 2023 19:39:58 GMT -6
I can see how that added clarification could be helpful.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 26, 2023 19:41:06 GMT -6
I don't think posting your own side of a PM is against TOU, nor should it be. BUT that has nothing to do with why Philo insists on PMing people who hate her. Jump off Scout's jock, Phil. I agree and had the first screenshot been just her side, there would have been a discussion with the other admins about it. Even though the part from STP isn't full of personal information, it still was something sent privately. This may seem a small thing to draw the line over, but protecting posters' privacy is important and sharing a screenshot of another poster's share of a PM (no matter the content) is crossing the line. This is why I said privacy GhoatMonket cause Admin did.
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Post by pobre on Jul 26, 2023 19:41:36 GMT -6
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Post by TheoV2 on Jul 26, 2023 19:41:44 GMT -6
I think the admins are overall doing a great job and I'm sure they are discussing how to clarify or handle in the future. These types of situations are hard because no matter what is done, someone is unhappy about it.
I'm glad I have nothing to do with handling any of it.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 26, 2023 19:42:45 GMT -6
Also one of the PMs posted was a screenshot of a post STP made on this public forum with philo's answer of thumbs up. I would like clarification if that is a violation of TOU (for future reference not to argue today's banning) since it was something that the poster posted on the board. Thank you.
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Post by STP on Jul 26, 2023 19:42:47 GMT -6
I can see how that added clarification could be helpful. I actually agree. Bc it wasn’t clear (for the two times I paged the admins, and then apologized to them bc I realized I was acting insane.)
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Post by McBenny on Jul 26, 2023 19:45:22 GMT -6
I don't think posting your own side of a PM is against TOU, nor should it be. BUT that has nothing to do with why Philo insists on PMing people who hate her. Jump off Scout's jock, Phil. I agree and had the first screenshot been just her side, there would have been a discussion with the other admins about it. Also to be clear and on the same page, my asking for clarity stems from this statement. I feel (for future reference and not to re litigate today's banning) make the decision whether posting just your side is ok OR not Put that decision in the TOU clearly. So down the line there doesn't have to be a discussion with other admins about it. Hello, not that hard.
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Post by microworm on Jul 26, 2023 19:45:46 GMT -6
I haven’t slept after watching some of this stuff. These beings seem hostile from what I’m hearing. Which 😳 We deserve it. Let's be honest. Jesus fuck guys, I skimmed over this hours ago and now I am upset.
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Post by rvasc on Jul 26, 2023 19:46:40 GMT -6
I don’t like rules that require the admins to exercise judgment, to be honest. Because they’re just like us and have people they like and those they don’t appreciate as much. To me, it’s much better, when reasonable, to have very clear rules. I read all 11 pages of this thread. I do not think the TOU need to be clarified in regards to posting another person’s pm. You can’t do it. The end. Not if they goad you, taunt you, lie on you, whatever. I mean I don't even know what to say cause then it's always I am being mean or whatever but I do not know what is being said here. You like clear rules but you don't think TOU needs to be clarified. It's above me now. I am releasing this. What I mean is that I think the TOU are clear that you can’t post what someone else said in a pm. I agree that clarity about whether you may post your own words would be nice. I think we should be able to post our own words. I think we’re agreeing. i did not hit my head, but I am really tired.
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Post by rvasc on Jul 26, 2023 19:51:09 GMT -6
I also mostly do not care.
I did appreciate the vintage callout drama of it all.
I will take “that was a lame flame” from this and use it henceforth. I’m still laughing.
I am going to sleep and then back to working for many hours, so I am releasing this to the Lord.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 26, 2023 19:51:30 GMT -6
If "Do not post screen shots of private messages" isn't clear, I am a little concerned for some of y'all.
It means none. Don't do it. Ever. For any reason.
It's as clear as it can be. Stop dumping mud into it. You are trying to complicate it by adding qualifiers.
None. At all. Hard stop.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 26, 2023 19:53:02 GMT -6
I mean I don't even know what to say cause then it's always I am being mean or whatever but I do not know what is being said here. You like clear rules but you don't think TOU needs to be clarified. It's above me now. I am releasing this. What I mean is that I think the TOU are clear that you can’t post what someone else said in a pm. I agree that clarity about whether you may post your own words would be nice. I think we should be able to post our own words. I think we’re agreeing. i did not hit my head, but I am really tired. Why would one be screenshotting their own words in a private message and sending it to someone else or posting it on the board? You can c&p that if you want to move it to the board and don't want to re-type it.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 26, 2023 19:53:06 GMT -6
I think the PM rule has to be all or nothing because otherwise whether or not the PM in question is innocuous or whatever is subjective and debatable. But here we are still debating anyway so maybe it’s all moot. I am ok with that but I just want it to be clear. If you said I sent you something and I post my words of my PM and you don't dispute it then I don't see why I should be banned? If I send you a PM of a screenshot of YOUR words that you posted on the forum and follow it with a thumbs up and I post it here, I do not see that as an invasion of privacy. I don't have any strong feelings about philo either way. I just found it all very juvenile and then add to that the tagging of admins, omg. I don't have a problem wanting clarity on it. I could also see that there is some difference between posting the contents of a PM sent to you vs. a PM you sent -- I agree that the latter is a lesser offense but I think I'm also fine with the general concept of keeping private messages private. Especially since philo is the one that chose to send a PM instead of posting to @stp publicly. It also does feel like philo kind of took something of a bait.
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Post by rvasc on Jul 26, 2023 19:54:14 GMT -6
What I mean is that I think the TOU are clear that you can’t post what someone else said in a pm. I agree that clarity about whether you may post your own words would be nice. I think we should be able to post our own words. I think we’re agreeing. i did not hit my head, but I am really tired. Why would one be screenshotting their own words in a private message and sending it to someone else or posting it on the board? You can c&p that if you want to move it to the board and don't want to re-type it. I think we’re circling the drain.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 26, 2023 19:56:00 GMT -6
Why would one be screenshotting their own words in a private message and sending it to someone else or posting it on the board? You can c&p that if you want to move it to the board and don't want to re-type it. I think we’re circling the drain.
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Post by fb on Jul 26, 2023 19:57:56 GMT -6
I am ok with that but I just want it to be clear. If you said I sent you something and I post my words of my PM and you don't dispute it then I don't see why I should be banned? If I send you a PM of a screenshot of YOUR words that you posted on the forum and follow it with a thumbs up and I post it here, I do not see that as an invasion of privacy. I don't have any strong feelings about philo either way. I just found it all very juvenile and then add to that the tagging of admins, omg. I don't have a problem wanting clarity on it. I could also see that there is some difference between posting the contents of a PM sent to you vs. a PM you sent -- I agree that the latter is a lesser offense but I think I'm also fine with the general concept of keeping private messages private. Especially since philo is the one that chose to send a PM instead of posting to @stp publicly. It also does feel like philo kind of took something of a bait. I’ve had a gummy but I have also read this 6 times and am so confused. I think I’m also so confused about what part of a PM can be shared and what can’t? My brain isn’t braining.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 26, 2023 20:00:32 GMT -6
I don't have a problem wanting clarity on it. I could also see that there is some difference between posting the contents of a PM sent to you vs. a PM you sent -- I agree that the latter is a lesser offense but I think I'm also fine with the general concept of keeping private messages private. Especially since philo is the one that chose to send a PM instead of posting to @stp publicly. It also does feel like philo kind of took something of a bait. I’ve had a gummy but I have also read this 6 times and am so confused. I think I’m also so confused about what part of a PM can be shared and what can’t? My brain isn’t braining. Hm, maybe I would make more sense if I had a gummy... I think that's what people are asking for clarity on so your brain is seemingly braining fine.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 26, 2023 20:01:35 GMT -6
I don't have a problem wanting clarity on it. I could also see that there is some difference between posting the contents of a PM sent to you vs. a PM you sent -- I agree that the latter is a lesser offense but I think I'm also fine with the general concept of keeping private messages private. Especially since philo is the one that chose to send a PM instead of posting to @stp publicly. It also does feel like philo kind of took something of a bait. I’ve had a gummy but I have also read this 6 times and am so confused. I think I’m also so confused about what part of a PM can be shared and what can’t? My brain isn’t braining. None of it can. They want to make it where some parts can.
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Post by STP on Jul 26, 2023 20:02:08 GMT -6
We're maybe 20 people on a message board no one knows about. There are no mass bannings, no banning of anyone who wasn't an ass. I don't get why the admin should even have to deal with any of this. That’s probably the actual right answer. Rich from me, I’m aware. I did apologize to them.
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Post by Bluebird on Jul 26, 2023 20:02:28 GMT -6
I don't have a problem wanting clarity on it. I could also see that there is some difference between posting the contents of a PM sent to you vs. a PM you sent -- I agree that the latter is a lesser offense but I think I'm also fine with the general concept of keeping private messages private. Especially since philo is the one that chose to send a PM instead of posting to @stp publicly. It also does feel like philo kind of took something of a bait. I’ve had a gummy but I have also read this 6 times and am so confused. I think I’m also so confused about what part of a PM can be shared and what can’t? My brain isn’t braining. I’ve also had a gummy and read this whole thread and am v confused. 😆
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Post by AmyG on Jul 26, 2023 20:03:30 GMT -6
I am ok with that but I just want it to be clear. If you said I sent you something and I post my words of my PM and you don't dispute it then I don't see why I should be banned? If I send you a PM of a screenshot of YOUR words that you posted on the forum and follow it with a thumbs up and I post it here, I do not see that as an invasion of privacy. I don't have any strong feelings about philo either way. I just found it all very juvenile and then add to that the tagging of admins, omg. I don't have a problem wanting clarity on it. I could also see that there is some difference between posting the contents of a PM sent to you vs. a PM you sent -- I agree that the latter is a lesser offense but I think I'm also fine with the general concept of keeping private messages private. Especially since philo is the one that chose to send a PM instead of posting to @stp publicly. It also does feel like philo kind of took something of a bait. It seemed to me that philo posted the pm in response to the taunt of if you do it again I'll post it when stp would never do that (likely since she knows it's against tou) what was in the pm was what was already posted on a regular board already, stp's post and philo's reply of thumbs up. pretty sure that was both posted on board and posted on pm. Seems like a silliness that if it was something already posted on the regular boards (not private boards) the content of the pm was already public so not really a big no no.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 26, 2023 20:04:57 GMT -6
If "Do not post screen shots of private messages" isn't clear, I am a little concerned for some of y'all. It means none. Don't do it. Ever. For any reason. It's as clear as it can be. Stop dumping mud into it. You are trying to complicate it by adding qualifiers. None. At all. Hard stop. It is clear. Admin said if she had just posted her side, there would have been a discussion. So I am saying have that discussion now. Decide. Put it in TOU plainly. So I am not adding shit. FUCKING ADMIN SAID IT TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would expect you of all people to be more cognizant of being able to defend your name and your honor when lied on after a bitch lied on you and said you threatened her in a PM in the past. Just saying. Feel how you want to feel. Please to remove your personal disdain for me or whatever. I asked for a decision and then put it in TOU. I didn't ask for anyone's kidney or first born. Full stop.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 26, 2023 20:05:22 GMT -6
I’ve had a gummy but I have also read this 6 times and am so confused. I think I’m also so confused about what part of a PM can be shared and what can’t? My brain isn’t braining. I’ve also had a gummy and read this whole thread and am v confused. 😆 I'm just sorry that someone had to read something I wrote 6 times. Nothing I say is ever that important to warrant reading it 6 times.
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