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Post by angelashly on Jul 27, 2023 8:21:38 GMT -6
As someone here who has felt people were being “nasty” to me, although on the board but not actually saying something most would call outright mean I get what STP is saying about how it felt nasty to her. In this very thread Phil threw the whole thing I’m talking about with me back at me.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2023 8:29:28 GMT -6
I mean, that was a pretty mean PM to send. Whether or not it rises to the level of nasty.
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Post by Minerva on Jul 27, 2023 8:34:14 GMT -6
You all are really going for the Beetlejuice effect here, thatgolfb @icedtea. It’s apparently been too quiet and peaceful here lately. 😜
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 27, 2023 8:39:50 GMT -6
I’m (very) late to this thread because of course this the week I’m lacking cell coverage, but I just randomly think about this sometimes, and think wtf to myself. why don't I remember which one was easier? Goldfish memory is not useful
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Post by angelashly on Jul 27, 2023 8:46:56 GMT -6
And also before it’s said I’m not making this about me I’m saying I just put myself in her shoes and can see why she used the words she did and being so done with things that she brought it to the board
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Jul 27, 2023 8:47:05 GMT -6
The level of nastiness that has flown on this board and all versions previous it’s laughable to be that this is the line too far for some of y’all. But noted.
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Post by thestranger on Jul 27, 2023 8:48:16 GMT -6
When someone is banned Shouldn't the board delete their personal photos that have been posted? Pics of philos pottery mugs she sells. Cause she can't delete them herself anymore. That's asking a lot of an admin who does this in their spare time. If she didn't ask for it to be deleted in the whole time it was up prior to being banned I don't think it's admins responsibility to do that. I don’t really go here, but this isn’t exactly a fair statement. Yes admin do this in their spare time, but let’s not forget that it was a choice they made, and not without knowing the backgrounds of how some relationships go here, this has been watered down like a thousand times since TB days, and even then people clamoured to be unpaid moderators there too, everyone knows how this goes.
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Jul 27, 2023 8:49:29 GMT -6
I feel PMing someone that they are not a good person, apropos of nothing and literally out of the blue, is nasty. I feel that sending a woe is me, stop being so mean, when you are actively and simultaneously saying DISGUSTING stuff on the public board is also nasty. If you feel that was nothing, neat. It doesn't make me a liar. If that wouldn't have been your adjective, bigger neat. If I'd said rude, would that be ok? Please do let me know what adjective I'm allowed to use and be believed. We can add it to TOU for clarity, of course. I told Phil I would post on the main board if she PMd me again, and that's what I did. If you wouldn't do the same, neat. It doesn't mean I pulled some Machiavellian bait and switch. It's fascinating that you're not holding Phil responsible for her own choices and actions. You all could have scrolled by and ignored to, so the humor isn't lost. Speaking of baiting, I'm well aware of what 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 is doing. But I'm laughing at the attempt to make it seem that anyone actually thinks I lied vs felt/handled something differently than perhaps you would have. None of you have handled all things perfectly, and I've certainly had different take on your interpretation of how someone else treated you. That doesn't mean you were lying about it. No there’s several people that actually used that word lie. Admin is it a TOU to post PM with the posters permission? Like if someone messaged me off board and said you can post I don’t care? Is that bannable I’m ok with you thinking that I’m the only that that think this.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 27, 2023 8:49:59 GMT -6
The level of nastiness that has flown on this board and all versions previous it’s laughable to be that this is the line too far for some of y’all. But noted. For me with this particular case I’m not outraged by Phil but with the history of things she has done across the boards I can see being fed up with it. I for sure believe there are things that have happened worse on the board and I have been trying to say things as I’m seeing it. And I totally understand the more liked posters trust me
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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 8:54:56 GMT -6
I feel PMing someone that they are not a good person, apropos of nothing and literally out of the blue, is nasty. I feel that sending a woe is me, stop being so mean, when you are actively and simultaneously saying DISGUSTING stuff on the public board is also nasty. If you feel that was nothing, neat. It doesn't make me a liar. If that wouldn't have been your adjective, bigger neat. If I'd said rude, would that be ok? Please do let me know what adjective I'm allowed to use and be believed. We can add it to TOU for clarity, of course. I told Phil I would post on the main board if she PMd me again, and that's what I did. If you wouldn't do the same, neat. It doesn't mean I pulled some Machiavellian bait and switch. It's fascinating that you're not holding Phil responsible for her own choices and actions. You all could have scrolled by and ignored to, so the humor isn't lost. Speaking of baiting, I'm well aware of what 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 is doing. But I'm laughing at the attempt to make it seem that anyone actually thinks I lied vs felt/handled something differently than perhaps you would have. None of you have handled all things perfectly, and I've certainly had different take on your interpretation of how someone else treated you. That doesn't mean you were lying about it. No there’s several people that actually used that word lie. Admin is it a TOU to post PM with the posters permission? Like if someone messaged me off board and said you can post I don’t care? Is that bannable I’m ok with you thinking that I’m the only that that think this. And I'm ok with you thinking I'm the only one laughing at your antics on this thread. eta wait do you think it blows my mind that you're in PMs talking about what a liar I am? Oh dear. That was obvious from your first post. Someone took the time to screenshot for you so you could do the heavy lifting this time. I mean, that's flattering.
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Post by YakkityYak on Jul 27, 2023 8:55:52 GMT -6
That's asking a lot of an admin who does this in their spare time. If she didn't ask for it to be deleted in the whole time it was up prior to being banned I don't think it's admins responsibility to do that. I don’t really go here, but this isn’t exactly a fair statement. Yes admin do this in their spare time, but let’s not forget that it was a choice they made, and not without knowing the backgrounds of how some relationships go here, this has been watered down like a thousand times since TB days, and even then people clamoured to be unpaid moderators there too, everyone knows how this goes. If you post a pic on a public forum and don't delete it prior to getting banned, that's not on the admin. Sorry.
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Jul 27, 2023 8:57:57 GMT -6
No there’s several people that actually used that word lie. Admin is it a TOU to post PM with the posters permission? Like if someone messaged me off board and said you can post I don’t care? Is that bannable I’m ok with you thinking that I’m the only that that think this. And I'm ok with you thinking I'm the only one laughing at your antics on this thread. Babby let it never be said that I care. I’ve long discovered the hypocrisy that flies here. I’ve long since seen people bashing and co-signing bashing a poster on these threads then in PM asking for advice, telling them how unfair the board is. I’ve been there done that and got 2 t-shirts. You love to stir the pot and then when you get a reaction become a damsel. And because you’re more vocal - you get away with it. And it happens time and time again.
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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 8:59:03 GMT -6
And I'm ok with you thinking I'm the only one laughing at your antics on this thread. Babby let it never be said that I care. I’ve long discovered the hypocrisy that flies here. I’ve long since seen people bashing and co-signing bashing a poster on these threads then in PM asking for advice, telling them how unfair the board is. I’ve been there done that and got 2 t-shirts. You love to stir the pot and then when you get a reaction become a damsel. And because you’re more vocal - you get away with it. And it happens time and time again. This irony is clear to many, of course. I'll await you calling out the pot stirring damsels you let slide on the regular from now on. For someone who doesn't care, you sure put some time in.
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Jul 27, 2023 8:59:43 GMT -6
I don’t really go here, but this isn’t exactly a fair statement. Yes admin do this in their spare time, but let’s not forget that it was a choice they made, and not without knowing the backgrounds of how some relationships go here, this has been watered down like a thousand times since TB days, and even then people clamoured to be unpaid moderators there too, everyone knows how this goes. If you post a pic on a public forum and don't delete it prior to getting banned, that's not on the admin. Sorry. Not everyone operates as if they will get banned. So I’m not sure what you want someone to do- Also- yes it’s a free job. That they all signed up for. They volunteered for it. There was voting and threads and more thread. And almost a mutiny.
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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 9:00:01 GMT -6
That I am overreactive and sensitive is hardly going to rock my world.
That's well known.
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Post by 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 on Jul 27, 2023 9:01:57 GMT -6
Babby let it never be said that I care. I’ve long discovered the hypocrisy that flies here. I’ve long since seen people bashing and co-signing bashing a poster on these threads then in PM asking for advice, telling them how unfair the board is. I’ve been there done that and got 2 t-shirts. You love to stir the pot and then when you get a reaction become a damsel. And because you’re more vocal - you get away with it. And it happens time and time again. This irony is clear to many, of course. I'll await you calling out the pot stirring damsels you let slide on the regular from now on. For someone who doesn't care, you sure put some time in. And when your people starts calling out their damsel mess then we can be samesie across the board.
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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 9:02:39 GMT -6
This irony is clear to many, of course. I'll await you calling out the pot stirring damsels you let slide on the regular from now on. For someone who doesn't care, you sure put some time in. And when your people starts calling out their damsel mess then we can be samesie across the board. That'll be a fun day. Let's see who it is first. I have my guess.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Jul 27, 2023 9:04:51 GMT -6
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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 9:06:47 GMT -6
This would be a tighter ship for sure, lol.
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Post by lucilleaustero on Jul 27, 2023 9:08:53 GMT -6
It is probably prudent if there are some clarification in TOU. Can a pm be posted if it provides evidence for a slandered poster? Can a pm be posted if permission is given?
While that won't stop what is going on in here, it might prevent something from happening again.
Or not, who knows.
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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 9:10:22 GMT -6
It is probably prudent if there are some clarification in TOU. Can a pm be posted if it provides evidence for a slandered poster? Can a pm be posted if permission is given? While that won't stop what is going on in here, it might prevent something from happening again. Or not, who knows. I mean, we'll fight about something else but there's no reason not to have this topic lined out well. eta and I don't feel that anything would be different in this case. Phil posted them and I stand by my assessment of them. So it'll just be exactly what this is - fighting over whether or not your stated feelings are valid based on beef heart and past dynamics. You got the preview.
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Post by Admin on Jul 27, 2023 9:15:08 GMT -6
Admin is it a TOU to post PM with the posters permission? Like if someone messaged me off board and said you can post I don’t care? Is that bannable *snip* This has happened before, right? I swear it has, either here or a previous iteration. My personal opinion on that is it would not be bannable because permission was given as long as there was proof of permission. dc2london bunnyfungo Thoughts? (I think in the incident I'm remembering, it was an argument taking place on the board about something that took place off board and the permission was given in the course of the on board argument. No one was banned as far as I can remember.)
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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 9:16:46 GMT -6
I have to think if the person says "go ahead" there's nothing objectionable about it, assuming it's their words alone.
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Post by lucilleaustero on Jul 27, 2023 9:18:38 GMT -6
It is probably prudent if there are some clarification in TOU. Can a pm be posted if it provides evidence for a slandered poster? Can a pm be posted if permission is given? While that won't stop what is going on in here, it might prevent something from happening again. Or not, who knows. I mean, we'll fight about something else but there's no reason not to have this topic lined out well. eta and I don't feel that anything would be different in this case. Phil posted them and I stand by my assessment of them. So it'll just be exactly what this is - fighting over whether or not your stated feelings are valid based on beef heart and past dynamics. You got the preview. Agreed. People have expressed some valid questions about TOU that, imo, warrant discussion. Since this became more about a lot of posters coming in with strong feelings from every direction, possible a separate discussion in a separate post would be more productive.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 27, 2023 9:20:19 GMT -6
I’m sure I’m a damsel. I’ll admit I get caught up and have trouble sometimes A-sticking up for myself, B- getting my point out because it sounds good in my head but not when i write it, C- feeling like getting a pile on because the person I’m going against is either loved or a better fighter than me
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 27, 2023 9:20:40 GMT -6
It is probably prudent if there are some clarification in TOU. Can a pm be posted if it provides evidence for a slandered poster? Can a pm be posted if permission is given? While that won't stop what is going on in here, it might prevent something from happening again. Or not, who knows. I would go with no. It can be PM'ed to admin and they can handle it off the main board. They can summarize if needed but posting actual screenshots of conversations even with the permission of both parties is a no because if x is allowed, then why isn'y y allowed, and then person a wants to allow z "just this once". No. Not allowed. Ever. Done. Easiest to enforce consistently.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 27, 2023 9:22:05 GMT -6
I have to think if the person says "go ahead" there's nothing objectionable about it, assuming it's their words alone. My issue with this is if you say that and then they start taking multiple shots of partial conversations and things are out of context, then you don't have their permission to post the unedited version.
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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 9:24:34 GMT -6
I mean, I agree with @icedtea that at the end of the day this is a lot of hubbub for 20 people on a message board. Because the truth is, 🍍 🍊 Fineapple 🍍 🍊 is going to post PMs showing people saying that I suck and I lie. That will be less than groundbreaking news to me. The TOU will be debated for forty years, it will be amended, and nothing will happen until the next time someone divisive (waives) gives an opening for an anticipated gotcha. End on end, forever and ever. But if it makes people feel better to have it clarified, there's no harm in it. At all. Sincerely. And to use the buzzword clarify...of course I used the TOU to get Phil banned because I don't like her. But she did the bannable thing. Can't get her banned if she doesn't do it in the first place. That was her choice.
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Post by Admin on Jul 27, 2023 9:24:44 GMT -6
I have to think if the person says "go ahead" there's nothing objectionable about it, assuming it's their words alone. My issue with this is if you say that and then they start taking multiple shots of partial conversations and things are out of context, then you don't have their permission to post the unedited version. Which is a valid point and something I hadn't considered, but I'm hoping the other admins weigh in soon.
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Post by STP on Jul 27, 2023 9:24:59 GMT -6
I have to think if the person says "go ahead" there's nothing objectionable about it, assuming it's their words alone. My issue with this is if you say that and then they start taking multiple shots of partial conversations and things are out of context, then you don't have their permission to post the unedited version. That's exactly what's about to happen. But I think it says a lot more about the person doing it than anything. And if just means people won't PM anymore. My plan worked after all.
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