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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 6:38:25 GMT -6
Assault, legally, is causing fear of harmful contact. It doesn’t have to be actual contact. That’s battery. I chose my word intentionally. Because I don’t know that it rises to the level of battery. But he acted in a way that would make a reasonable person fearful of being hurt.
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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 6:41:56 GMT -6
June 28, 2023
The prime minister actor is really throwing everything at the wall to see if it will stick to get those charges against him dropped before trial. He must really want that superhero gig to go this route.
Jonathan Majors/The Kang Dynasty
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Post by angelashly on Jul 8, 2023 6:59:59 GMT -6
Assault, legally, is causing fear of harmful contact. It doesn’t have to be actual contact. That’s battery. I chose my word intentionally. Because I don’t know that it rises to the level of battery. But he acted in a way that would make a reasonable person fearful of being hurt. Then technically so did she. Yes she is a small white woman running up behind a tall black man so it shouldn’t be fear but they didn’t know who she was and sorry in the world we are living in now I’m not surprised security jumped into action. The blaming security for not walking backwards to see someone running up behind him but not her a celebrity who has had people rush her herself is weird. They can both be wrong And the cops said no assault
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Post by bazi on Jul 8, 2023 7:04:31 GMT -6
June 28, 2023 The prime minister actor is really throwing everything at the wall to see if it will stick to get those charges against him dropped before trial. He must really want that superhero gig to go this route. Jonathan Majors/The Kang Dynasty I’m really surprised Enty knows enough history to make a John Majors reference.
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Post by bazi on Jul 8, 2023 7:10:08 GMT -6
jaygee does Britney even have security anymore? Does she have “people”? It doesn’t seem like anyone is minding the store. It is wild to me if she doesn’t have security. I mean - that is so unsafe. But it seems possible since if she did, I would assume Vegas would be some place you would definitely want to have it. She referenced “her security”, but I didn’t see them in that video? There were just some random dudes with her. Maybe that’s them? In which case, all personal protection professionals in this situation need remedial training.
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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 7:12:27 GMT -6
Assault, legally, is causing fear of harmful contact. It doesn’t have to be actual contact. That’s battery. I chose my word intentionally. Because I don’t know that it rises to the level of battery. But he acted in a way that would make a reasonable person fearful of being hurt. Then technically so did she. Yes she is a small white woman running up behind a tall black man so it shouldn’t be fear but they didn’t know who she was and sorry in the world we are living in now I’m not surprised security jumped into action. The blaming security for not walking backwards to see someone running up behind him but not her a celebrity who has had people rush her herself is weird. They can both be wrong And the cops said no assault I’m not saying Britney was “right”. I’m saying there’s a lot of things that could/should have been done before an arm gets thrown resulting in a woman getting wacked in the face. If this is his plan for every fan that approaches his client, he’s bad at his job. I’m not even saying he should get charged. I’m saying he went right to something that escalated.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 8, 2023 7:14:21 GMT -6
Then technically so did she. Yes she is a small white woman running up behind a tall black man so it shouldn’t be fear but they didn’t know who she was and sorry in the world we are living in now I’m not surprised security jumped into action. The blaming security for not walking backwards to see someone running up behind him but not her a celebrity who has had people rush her herself is weird. They can both be wrong And the cops said no assault I’m not saying Britney was “right”. I’m saying there’s a lot of things that could/should have been done before an arm gets thrown resulting in a woman getting wacked in the face. If this is his plan for every fan that approaches his client, he’s bad at his job. But she didn’t just approach him she ran up behind him I think that’s the difference but what do I know I’m not famous not have any encounters with famous people.
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Jul 8, 2023 7:15:13 GMT -6
Assault, legally, is causing fear of harmful contact. It doesn’t have to be actual contact. That’s battery. I chose my word intentionally. Because I don’t know that it rises to the level of battery. But he acted in a way that would make a reasonable person fearful of being hurt. Then couldn't we say Britney assaulted the basketball player? That could have cause him fear.
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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 7:15:43 GMT -6
I’m not saying Britney was “right”. I’m saying there’s a lot of things that could/should have been done before an arm gets thrown resulting in a woman getting wacked in the face. If this is his plan for every fan that approaches his client, he’s bad at his job. But she didn’t just approach him she ran up behind him I think that’s the difference but what do I know I’m not famous not have any encounters with famous people. Right. But people run up to Celebs a lot. Throwing arms shouldn’t be the go-to response.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 8, 2023 7:21:30 GMT -6
But she didn’t just approach him she ran up behind him I think that’s the difference but what do I know I’m not famous not have any encounters with famous people. Right. But people run up to Celebs a lot. Throwing arms shouldn’t be the go-to response. I guarantee he isn’t the only guard who does it and isn’t the last but because it’s Britney it’s going to be a thing and yes that bothers me but it’s whatever. We are never going to agree on this and that is because we are going to be looking at it different ways due to different life perspectives
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Post by angelashly on Jul 8, 2023 7:28:36 GMT -6
I feel some of you are making a big deal out of cause it is Britney. First of all, she is a celebrity and I feel she herself should know better than to run up behind someone with security. Also, where was her security? Anyway, the young athlete was clearly just walking away quickly. I don't feel he knew who it was nor was it on him to know. When you hire security, you hire them for a reason. Clearly. She reached her hand out, her hand or whatever was squatted away. As it should have been cause the security guy was doing his job. Part of that is not letting people grab your client. No matter who it is. I do not feel he knew who it was but again, I do not feel it matters here. You are running up on them from behind, that's what he saw in his peripheral and that's what he was responding to. Oh well. I also agree with this. I think if it wasn’t Britney we would be having a different conversation.
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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 7:30:58 GMT -6
Right. But people run up to Celebs a lot. Throwing arms shouldn’t be the go-to response. I guarantee he isn’t the only guard who does it and isn’t the last but because it’s Britney it’s going to be a thing and yes that bothers me but it’s whatever. We are never going to agree on this and that is because we are going to be looking at it different ways due to different life perspectives Totally agree. Kendall or Kylie’s security guy did it to a fan a few years ago and I wasn’t ok with that. It def happens but if they’re doing it to another famous person, it’s going to be a story.
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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 8:00:12 GMT -6
June 28, 2023
If she is alive, this cult is really going to have to show off her in a very public way so we get proof of life.
Shelly Miscavige/Scientology
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Jul 8, 2023 8:05:59 GMT -6
June 28, 2023 If she is alive, this cult is really going to have to show off her in a very public way so we get proof of life. Shelly Miscavige/Scientology I don't think she's alive
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Post by klong11 on Jul 8, 2023 8:23:29 GMT -6
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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 8:58:39 GMT -6
June 28, 2023 If she is alive, this cult is really going to have to show off her in a very public way so we get proof of life. Shelly Miscavige/Scientology I don't think she's alive I want 45 documentaries about this.
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Post by bazi on Jul 8, 2023 9:46:46 GMT -6
I don't think she's alive I want 45 documentaries about this. Going Clear remains one of the wildest things I’ve ever watched.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 8, 2023 9:47:27 GMT -6
then her security detail sucks, 😂
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Post by McBenny on Jul 8, 2023 9:49:58 GMT -6
But she didn’t just approach him she ran up behind him I think that’s the difference but what do I know I’m not famous not have any encounters with famous people. Right. But people run up to Celebs a lot. Throwing arms shouldn’t be the go-to response. run up, sure? Not grabbing. There is a lot of footage of security swatting people away, grabbing hands and arms. You hire them for a reason. If I still have to deal with being grabbed why do I have you for? There's also a lot of footage of celebs telling security to let the person approach. It's a known thing.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 8, 2023 9:53:13 GMT -6
Then technically so did she. Yes she is a small white woman running up behind a tall black man so it shouldn’t be fear but they didn’t know who she was and sorry in the world we are living in now I’m not surprised security jumped into action. The blaming security for not walking backwards to see someone running up behind him but not her a celebrity who has had people rush her herself is weird. They can both be wrong And the cops said no assault I’m not saying Britney was “right”. I’m saying there’s a lot of things that could/should have been done before an arm gets thrown resulting in a woman getting wacked in the face. If this is his plan for every fan that approaches his client, he’s bad at his job. I’m not even saying he should get charged. I’m saying he went right to something that escalated. I find you oddly digging in. This man didn't decide to square up toe to toe and take this woman on. They were walking briskly in one direction. He sees a hand or arm come up. He brushed it off and or blocked it. What's the issue? Had they been stationary, it would have been a totally different thing. Why not question her security? Her sad ass husband? 🤷🏻♀️ 😂
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Post by McBenny on Jul 8, 2023 9:56:34 GMT -6
I have no issue with this block. He didn't have a closed fist. He didn't grab. He clearly was blocking any potential grab. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by angelashly on Jul 8, 2023 10:01:26 GMT -6
I’m not saying Britney was “right”. I’m saying there’s a lot of things that could/should have been done before an arm gets thrown resulting in a woman getting wacked in the face. If this is his plan for every fan that approaches his client, he’s bad at his job. I’m not even saying he should get charged. I’m saying he went right to something that escalated. I find you oddly digging in. This man didn't decide to square up toe to toe and take this woman on. They were walking briskly in one direction. He sees a hand or arm come up. He brushed it off and or blocked it. What's the issue? Had they been stationary, it would have been a totally different thing. Why not question her security? Her sad ass husband? 🤷🏻♀️ 😂 I agree. If he had hurried up and stood between them at the rate they both had to move it would have been worse because more than likely she would have fallen down and it would have been the big black security guard pushed down Britney. Almost every defense of her so far has been that she isn’t in the right mind which I understand but it can’t be the first thing said Also I’ll say it again for the back my main problem for this whole incident is that she called out not just the security guard but the player. Also she made the incident into a physical assault that didn’t happen. She called the player out for not being a good enough celebrity. Was it probably Sam that made the statement sure but it doesn’t matter he used her name. To say that the security guard isn’t trained well enough when he literally put his arm up to block someone is just not where I feel the need to be.
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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 10:04:43 GMT -6
I’m not saying Britney was “right”. I’m saying there’s a lot of things that could/should have been done before an arm gets thrown resulting in a woman getting wacked in the face. If this is his plan for every fan that approaches his client, he’s bad at his job. I’m not even saying he should get charged. I’m saying he went right to something that escalated. I find you oddly digging in. This man didn't decide to square up toe to toe and take this woman on. They were walking briskly in one direction. He sees a hand or arm come up. He brushed it off and or blocked it. What's the issue? Had they been stationary, it would have been a totally different thing. Why not question her security? Her sad ass husband? 🤷🏻♀️ 😂 I just don’t agree he handled it correctly. That’s not oddly digging in. That’s not agreeing with your point of view. Her security sucked and her husband is a scammer. I thought that was a unity horse?
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Post by McBenny on Jul 8, 2023 10:06:06 GMT -6
Assault must mean different things in different states. I've never seen fear cited as a requirement but more so the threat of harm. Battery is the actual body contact either offensive or injurious.
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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 10:08:33 GMT -6
Assault must mean different things in different states. I've never seen fear cited as a requirement but more so the threat of harm. Battery is the actual body contact either offensive or injurious. The common law tort definition is what I was referring to. Fear isn’t a requirement. Intent is. But you don’t need to make contact. Just need to make a reasonable person anticipate contact.
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Post by McBenny on Jul 8, 2023 10:11:29 GMT -6
The only time I get to view something without race being in my mind is when all parties are the same race and even then you still have race come up cause this is America. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by McBenny on Jul 8, 2023 10:17:56 GMT -6
Idk I find the defending of security’s right to be aggressive weird. Security is typically cops or wannabe cops. They don’t have any special privileges. If I saw a cop do this, I would be angry about it. I don’t blame the basketball player or think it has anything to do with Britney. It’s just the attitude of “if you tap someone on the shoulder, you deserve to get assaulted” is not what I’m used to from this place. And I’m kinda surprised by it. This isn't a scenario of a regular Joe in a Walmart with his back to you. This is someone with team security to manage the run up. So yeah, you can't just run up and tap that person. I don't see anyone here saying assaulting people is ok. I see many saying they don't see an assault where you say you do. That's the difference. Since when can you run up and just touch celebs?
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Post by Cher on Jul 8, 2023 10:29:06 GMT -6
Idk I find the defending of security’s right to be aggressive weird. Security is typically cops or wannabe cops. They don’t have any special privileges. If I saw a cop do this, I would be angry about it. I don’t blame the basketball player or think it has anything to do with Britney. It’s just the attitude of “if you tap someone on the shoulder, you deserve to get assaulted” is not what I’m used to from this place. And I’m kinda surprised by it. This isn't a scenario of a regular Joe in a Walmart with his back to you. This is someone with team security to manage the run up. So yeah, you can't just run up and tap that person. I don't see anyone here saying assaulting people is ok. I see many saying they don't see an assault where you say you do. That's the difference. Since when can you run up and just touch celebs? As I said upthread, people will try. So the SOP really shouldn’t be throwing arms. If a security guard is going to have people getting hit in the face on a daily basis, maybe he should reevaluate.
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Post by bazi on Jul 8, 2023 10:46:54 GMT -6
I could totally see Britney’s “security” being leach friends of her husband.
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Post by donnamartingraduates on Jul 8, 2023 10:49:24 GMT -6
I think in today's world where so many people are packing that security likely have to assume everyone is armed or at least potentially armed and people need to understand that running up to a stranger and touching them will make you look like a potential danger and act accordingly. Add in all the people who crave fame and their own viral moment at any cost (I'm looking at you jerks throwing objects at singers on stage) and Britney is lucky she walked away fairly unscathed. This is not ideal to respond this way, and I wonder if she had been moving more slowly that there might have been time for a verbal warning. I'm sure security prefers doing that. This thread has reminded me of the woman who interfered with the Queen's guard. Not everything is there for us all, there are boundaries.
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