addymac
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Post by addymac on Jan 27, 2023 10:56:43 GMT -6
I also would have liked to hear more about the Queen as a grandma. He constantly said it was formal but she was also loving grandma and funny and we had secrets, lots of secrets. LIKE WHAT HARRY?? I don’t feel like I understand her relationship with him at all. Like I enjoyed the convos he did share with her- the asking to marry M, the beard. But he could have expanded on stories- like when he briefly mentioned the ad they did for Invictus- the infamous BOOM! commercial- talk about her reaction and interaction with you there. Idk. I didn’t walk away thinking oh the queen was such a loving doting grandma that I’ll name my kid after her.
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Post by claudia on Jan 27, 2023 10:59:55 GMT -6
I also would have liked to hear more about the Queen as a grandma. He constantly said it was formal but she was also loving grandma and funny and we had secrets, lots of secrets. LIKE WHAT HARRY?? I don’t feel like I understand her relationship with him at all. Like I enjoyed the convos he did share with her- the asking to marry M, the beard. But he could have expanded on stories- like when he briefly mentioned the ad they did for Invictus- the infamous BOOM! commercial- talk about her reaction and interaction with you there. Idk. I didn’t walk away thinking oh the queen was such a loving doting grandma that I’ll name my kid after her. I kinda had the impression that it speaks to just how cold the rest of the family is that with all her rules and his uncertainty around her, she was the warm one.
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Post by sifl on Jan 27, 2023 11:05:42 GMT -6
I also would have liked to hear more about the Queen as a grandma. He constantly said it was formal but she was also loving grandma and funny and we had secrets, lots of secrets. LIKE WHAT HARRY?? I don’t feel like I understand her relationship with him at all. Like I enjoyed the convos he did share with her- the asking to marry M, the beard. But he could have expanded on stories- like when he briefly mentioned the ad they did for Invictus- the infamous BOOM! commercial- talk about her reaction and interaction with you there. Idk. I didn’t walk away thinking oh the queen was such a loving doting grandma that I’ll name my kid after her. Yes! It was like a sentence about spending time with her great grands. I wanted more! But maybe he wanted to keep that more private.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 27, 2023 11:06:25 GMT -6
My guess is they were told no. At least for Elizabeth I honestly think Lilibet goes well with Archie. Like the people that choose Archie as a legal first name aren’t going old school formal for the next one, ykwim? Like if I named my next one Billie, that would not complete the set. I can see that too
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 27, 2023 11:08:26 GMT -6
Yes! Like I wanted more about Archie and Lili. (ETA like his feelings about becoming a dad. Naming Lili. Not so much details about the kids themselves if that makes sense). And I did chuckle because George was a short “chapter,” Charlotte was like 2 sentences, and then 0 mention of Louis 😂 Poor Louis he came when his dad and uncle were fighting But I also took it as the heir and the spare for his brother too. Plus I hated that the media acted like he wouldn’t be happy about having a niece or nephew due to being pushed down the line. Yeah, I'm sure his reaction was:
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 27, 2023 11:10:44 GMT -6
I also would have liked to hear more about the Queen as a grandma. He constantly said it was formal but she was also loving grandma and funny and we had secrets, lots of secrets. LIKE WHAT HARRY?? I don’t feel like I understand her relationship with him at all. Like I enjoyed the convos he did share with her- the asking to marry M, the beard. But he could have expanded on stories- like when he briefly mentioned the ad they did for Invictus- the infamous BOOM! commercial- talk about her reaction and interaction with you there. Idk. I didn’t walk away thinking oh the queen was such a loving doting grandma that I’ll name my kid after her. I kinda had the impression that it speaks to just how cold the rest of the family is that with all her rules and his uncertainty around her, she was the warm one. I had the same thoughts...and really, how sad is it that QEII, who doesn't strike me as all that warm and fuzzy (good for a joke, I suppose) was all he had after Diana died, as it doesn't seem he was close to his maternal aunts (I'm speculating that's the way the crown wanted it).
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Post by mrsweasley on Jan 27, 2023 11:15:02 GMT -6
That’s fair. I would have loved to hear about naming them and what made them pick Lilibet vs Elizabeth or Lilly or any other variation. My guess is they were told no. At least for Elizabeth Weren't there reports they didn't ask/get permission? Obviously that could be completely made up, but I'm pretty sure that was "a thing" at the time Plus, how very dare they use her "private" nickname after abandoning the family 🙄
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Post by angelashly on Jan 27, 2023 11:19:12 GMT -6
My guess is they were told no. At least for Elizabeth Weren't there reports they didn't ask/get permission? Obviously that could be completely made up, but I'm pretty sure that was "a thing" at the time Plus, how very dare they use her "private" nickname after abandoning the family 🙄 They have said a few times that they had a discussion with The Queen before naming her
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Post by mrsweasley on Jan 27, 2023 11:21:45 GMT -6
Weren't there reports they didn't ask/get permission? Obviously that could be completely made up, but I'm pretty sure that was "a thing" at the time Plus, how very dare they use her "private" nickname after abandoning the family 🙄 They have said a few times that they had a discussion with The Queen before naming her Yes, but all the tabloids claimed they didn't. And the BBC. I don't want to give the tabloids clicks, but it looks like H&M threatened to sue over the stories It was all "no permission" or "no specific nickname permission, Liz thought it would be Elizabeth"
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Post by claudia on Jan 27, 2023 11:26:27 GMT -6
They have said a few times that they had a discussion with The Queen before naming her Yes, but all the tabloids claimed they didn't. And the BBC. I don't want to give the tabloids clicks, but it looks like H&M threatened to sue over the stories It was all "no permission" or "no specific nickname permission, Liz thought it would be Elizabeth" Yeah, there were roughly 1000 stories ranging from "The Queen is furious!" to "How dare they not get permission!" to "They informed her and she said she was touched, but they didn't formally ask for her permission!" to "This is a slap in the face to Charlotte because Elizabeth is one of her middle names." The last one was the best because it disregarded that Zara and Peter both also had used Elizabeth as a middle name for one of their kids.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Jan 27, 2023 11:31:04 GMT -6
I’m glad he didn’t say much about Will & Kate’s kids. Say what you will about them but I think they do a lot to protect their privacy as much as they can, and talking in depth about them would be really uncool.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 27, 2023 11:33:09 GMT -6
I agree that it was good for Harry not to say too much about his nephews and niece, although one would think he had entire chapters dishing on them on SM and how very dare he even mention their names.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 27, 2023 11:42:08 GMT -6
I’m glad he didn’t say much about Will & Kate’s kids. Say what you will about them but I think they do a lot to protect their privacy as much as they can, and talking in depth about them would be really uncool. Exactly. I think he did it right minus not mentioning Louis some how. Just saying he was happy they were there etc is all we need to know
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Post by tinyjoys on Jan 27, 2023 15:12:27 GMT -6
IDK, with how private they are with their kids, I wasn't surprised with how little both Archie and Lillibet, but also George, Charlotte & Louis, were mentioned.
However, I can see the media being all Spare, are you sad you've been pushed further down after Andrew and his foot stomping about no longer being right behind Chuck in succession.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 29, 2023 10:40:18 GMT -6
Harry grocery shopping, especially with his favorite store renovating, resonated with me. I was at the local grocery store in my mom’s little town last night and they have remodeled everything and it looks great but WTF did you put this, that, and the fifty other things I need? 🤣
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 29, 2023 21:26:38 GMT -6
I think I saw that this was a 3 book deal. Any ideas on what the other 2 will be? This one seemed to center around his penis, so maybe the next one will be about his butt? If so, let me be the first to say, I will not be reading that one. And definitely not the audiobook. 🤣
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Post by bloom on Jan 31, 2023 13:18:23 GMT -6
re: part 3- are we really supposed to believe that H&M are truly that naïve and doe-eyed? Haz, especially. He's lived his entire life in the spotlight and at every corner of part 3 I feel like he's so full of shock and dismay at how his family, the press, etc. reacts to certain things. it reads as annoyingly oblivious, to me. the letter to M's dad, for example, being leaked to the press. WHAAAAT? this NEVER ever occurred to me/us!
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Post by angelashly on Jan 31, 2023 13:50:07 GMT -6
re: part 3- are we really supposed to believe that H&M are truly that naïve and doe-eyed? Haz, especially. He's lived his entire life in the spotlight and at every corner of part 3 I feel like he's so full of shock and dismay at how his family, the press, etc. reacts to certain things. it reads as annoyingly oblivious, to me. the letter to M's dad, for example, being leaked to the press. WHAAAAT? this NEVER ever occurred to me/us! From experience yes I think so. I think they knew that things could happen but hoped otherwise and hope clouded their judgement
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 31, 2023 13:56:19 GMT -6
I need to stay off Twitter/other SM. Comments about how Meghan received so much fawning praise in the early days (except for those pesky "exotic DNA" and "Straight Outa Compton" comments, along with the equally nasty digs at Doria. I guess ugly is erased because of some nice comments? And then the comments about how no one even realized she was biracial. Just ugh.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 31, 2023 14:04:29 GMT -6
I need to stay off Twitter/other SM. Comments about how Meghan received so much fawning praise in the early days (except for those pesky "exotic DNA" and "Straight Outa Compton" comments, along with the equally nasty digs at Doria. I guess ugly is erased because of some nice comments? And then the comments about how no one even realized she was biracial. Just ugh. Until it suited her to be black Or that straight out of Compton wasn’t about race but about class as if that’s better Yeah
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Post by bloom on Jan 31, 2023 14:07:51 GMT -6
re: part 3- are we really supposed to believe that H&M are truly that naïve and doe-eyed? Haz, especially. He's lived his entire life in the spotlight and at every corner of part 3 I feel like he's so full of shock and dismay at how his family, the press, etc. reacts to certain things. it reads as annoyingly oblivious, to me. the letter to M's dad, for example, being leaked to the press. WHAAAAT? this NEVER ever occurred to me/us! From experience yes I think so. I think they knew that things could happen but hoped otherwise and hope clouded their judgement yeah, I guess. I'm listening to their security getting pulled chapter and I just can't help but think how did they not discuss 'well, it's unlikely, but WHAT IF they pull it?'. Harry just said nah, they would never. I'm a naturally positive person and live an incredibly mundane, private life and consider the what-ifs of my decision making all of the time, ya know? I'm just saying! I feel like they wouldn't be as disappointed, blind-sided, etc. if they seemingly thought one step ahead/worst case scenario.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 31, 2023 14:53:26 GMT -6
From experience yes I think so. I think they knew that things could happen but hoped otherwise and hope clouded their judgement yeah, I guess. I'm listening to their security getting pulled chapter and I just can't help but think how did they not discuss 'well, it's unlikely, but WHAT IF they pull it?'. Harry just said nah, they would never. I'm a naturally positive person and live an incredibly mundane, private life and consider the what-ifs of my decision making all of the time, ya know? I'm just saying! I feel like they wouldn't be as disappointed, blind-sided, etc. if they seemingly thought one step ahead/worst case scenario. He grew up having security no matter what. He is a privileged man who has despite what he says has grown up always being told he was important. Meghan could very well have said yes but and he just didn’t get it. I don’t think the disappointment is from not getting money and security but I’m sure that is a portion of it
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Post by STP on Jan 31, 2023 15:18:03 GMT -6
re: part 3- are we really supposed to believe that H&M are truly that naïve and doe-eyed? Haz, especially. He's lived his entire life in the spotlight and at every corner of part 3 I feel like he's so full of shock and dismay at how his family, the press, etc. reacts to certain things. it reads as annoyingly oblivious, to me. the letter to M's dad, for example, being leaked to the press. WHAAAAT? this NEVER ever occurred to me/us! To me it went back to a central - and IMO completely fair - criticism of them. They were fine with the way the BRF operated until it didn't serve them personally. If he was that naive, it was a choice to be that way. That's challenging to find endearing. I finished the audio last week. IDK. I remain underwhelmed by him. I don't think he came off fantastically in this book. I am of course happy for whatever healing the process of writing it gave him. I think he should lay low for a bit.
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Post by sifl on Jan 31, 2023 18:50:26 GMT -6
yeah, I guess. I'm listening to their security getting pulled chapter and I just can't help but think how did they not discuss 'well, it's unlikely, but WHAT IF they pull it?'. Harry just said nah, they would never. I'm a naturally positive person and live an incredibly mundane, private life and consider the what-ifs of my decision making all of the time, ya know? I'm just saying! I feel like they wouldn't be as disappointed, blind-sided, etc. if they seemingly thought one step ahead/worst case scenario. He grew up having security no matter what. He is a privileged man who has despite what he says has grown up always being told he was important. Meghan could very well have said yes but and he just didn’t get it. I don’t think the disappointment is from not getting money and security but I’m sure that is a portion of it Right I think this is where his gilded cage thing comes in. He even got pulled out of a war he volunteered to fight in. He had body guards by his side his entire life. I don’t think he had to think about what ifs very much - he seemed to struggle more with finding a purpose and feeling loved. I did find it odd how he kept giving his family chance after chance to not be terrible. It took a looong time for it to click that no, they aren’t going to protect you or give you love or change in any real way.
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Post by bloom on Jan 31, 2023 20:27:29 GMT -6
He grew up having security no matter what. He is a privileged man who has despite what he says has grown up always being told he was important. Meghan could very well have said yes but and he just didn’t get it. I don’t think the disappointment is from not getting money and security but I’m sure that is a portion of it Right I think this is where his gilded cage thing comes in. He even got pulled out of a war he volunteered to fight in. He had body guards by his side his entire life. I don’t think he had to think about what ifs very much - he seemed to struggle more with finding a purpose and feeling loved. I did find it odd how he kept giving his family chance after chance to not be terrible. It took a looong time for it to click that no, they aren’t going to protect you or give you love or change in any real way. the war example is a good reminder that illustrates what an out of this world he lived in. I feel like at times he demonstrates emotional intelligence on a civilian level, if that makes sense. He shows glimpses of that. Like, he references that Willy was always a certain way ever since childhood. But then to think Willy couldn't be capable of blah blah blah, it just doesn't reconcile. I think I just wish he would've shown some self reflection and more vulnerability in the book- again, speaking to part 3. I would've liked to have read about what he (H&M) thought they could've done differently or how they could've handled situations differently. Not just pointing fingers. I do think that they were done dirty under some circumstances, but there was just no personal accountability for the current state of affairs.
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Post by angelashly on Feb 1, 2023 7:08:43 GMT -6
Right I think this is where his gilded cage thing comes in. He even got pulled out of a war he volunteered to fight in. He had body guards by his side his entire life. I don’t think he had to think about what ifs very much - he seemed to struggle more with finding a purpose and feeling loved. I did find it odd how he kept giving his family chance after chance to not be terrible. It took a looong time for it to click that no, they aren’t going to protect you or give you love or change in any real way. the war example is a good reminder that illustrates what an out of this world he lived in. I feel like at times he demonstrates emotional intelligence on a civilian level, if that makes sense. He shows glimpses of that. Like, he references that Willy was always a certain way ever since childhood. But then to think Willy couldn't be capable of blah blah blah, it just doesn't reconcile. I think I just wish he would've shown some self reflection and more vulnerability in the book- again, speaking to part 3. I would've liked to have read about what he (H&M) thought they could've done differently or how they could've handled situations differently. Not just pointing fingers. I do think that they were done dirty under some circumstances, but there was just no personal accountability for the current state of affairs. I know everyone says this and I’m not naive I know they didn’t handle situations well or perfect because hello humans., but I don’t like the ugh they should tell us what they did wrong when they are talking about clear trauma they went through and the thought of you literally were dealing with racist media and a family that won’t stop it but why didn’t you change this. I know you aren’t victim blaming but it’s just where my mind go.
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Post by angelashly on Feb 1, 2023 8:09:51 GMT -6
Now book 2 explaining their thoughts and what they did I would read and judge the hell out of if they didn’t own up to things
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Post by bloom on Feb 1, 2023 9:39:23 GMT -6
the war example is a good reminder that illustrates what an out of this world he lived in. I feel like at times he demonstrates emotional intelligence on a civilian level, if that makes sense. He shows glimpses of that. Like, he references that Willy was always a certain way ever since childhood. But then to think Willy couldn't be capable of blah blah blah, it just doesn't reconcile. I think I just wish he would've shown some self reflection and more vulnerability in the book- again, speaking to part 3. I would've liked to have read about what he (H&M) thought they could've done differently or how they could've handled situations differently. Not just pointing fingers. I do think that they were done dirty under some circumstances, but there was just no personal accountability for the current state of affairs. I know everyone says this and I’m not naive I know they didn’t handle situations well or perfect because hello humans., but I don’t like the ugh they should tell us what they did wrong when they are talking about clear trauma they went through and the thought of you literally were dealing with racist media and a family that won’t stop it but why didn’t you change this. I know you aren’t victim blaming but it’s just where my mind go. not so harsh as to say what they did wrong or what they did to change things b/c I think that's subjective and I don't think it's one or the other. just acknowledgement in some capacity.
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Post by STP on Feb 3, 2023 11:49:57 GMT -6
Gawd Harold, stop stalking me.
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Post by addymac on Feb 3, 2023 11:54:05 GMT -6
Gawd Harold, stop stalking me. Omg I can’t stop laughing at this.
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