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Post by budders on Dec 14, 2022 20:37:18 GMT -6
😢😢💔 I hope that’s not the last time we see Jesse.
I am HEARTBROKEN. I don't always give a shit about fire making, but this is a time that I'm really annoyed by it. The remaining 3 deserve it but you could even tell from the jury reactions that no one was prepared for that to happen.
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Post by imapenguin on Dec 14, 2022 20:40:03 GMT -6
😢😢💔 I hope that’s not the last time we see Jesse.
I am HEARTBROKEN. I don't always give a shit about fire making, but this is a time that I'm really annoyed by it. The remaining 3 deserve it but you could even tell from the jury reactions that no one was prepared for that to happen. I thought I was ok with anyone winning until that elimination and I realized I was pulling hard for one person. Now I really don’t know and I think the other 3 are on a very level playing field. Will be interesting to see how they sell their games.
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Post by budders on Dec 14, 2022 20:52:51 GMT -6
I am HEARTBROKEN. I don't always give a shit about fire making, but this is a time that I'm really annoyed by it. The remaining 3 deserve it but you could even tell from the jury reactions that no one was prepared for that to happen. I thought I was ok with anyone winning until that elimination and I realized I was pulling hard for one person. Now I really don’t know and I think the other 3 are on a very level playing field. Will be interesting to see how they sell their games. SAME!
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Post by imapenguin on Dec 14, 2022 21:18:32 GMT -6
I’m a little shocked by that outcome, TBH 😂
But it’s time to retire the post vote pizza.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Dec 14, 2022 21:20:23 GMT -6
I just started the episode. I texted my mom to make sure the person I don’t want to win doesn’t get far.
Now I watch
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Post by budders on Dec 14, 2022 21:25:05 GMT -6
I’m a little shocked by that outcome, TBH 😂 But it’s time to retire the post vote pizza. Same. I feel pretty underwhelmed by this result. I love what he is doing with the money, though.
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Post by budders on Dec 14, 2022 21:26:10 GMT -6
I just started the episode. I texted my mom to make sure the person I don’t want to win doesn’t get far. Now I watch Ooh, who was this?
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Dec 14, 2022 21:30:57 GMT -6
I just started the episode. I texted my mom to make sure the person I don’t want to win doesn’t get far. Now I watch Ooh, who was this? I did not like Karla.
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Post by budders on Dec 14, 2022 22:13:34 GMT -6
Phew, I was hoping this was who you meant, and not Jesse.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Dec 14, 2022 22:14:54 GMT -6
Phew, I was hoping this was who you meant, and not Jesse. No. I liked him and am now annoyed
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Dec 14, 2022 22:45:13 GMT -6
At first I was not thrilled with the winner.
But. My father is 100% disabled thru the VA due to PTSD that has now turned into Alzheimer’s.
I’m now crying. Thank you Gabler from this family.
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Post by abbandkaa on Dec 15, 2022 7:12:46 GMT -6
Am I surprised Owen didn’t get a vote? Nah.
I didn’t like Gabler during the game, but his conversations during the Q&A really sealed his win, he was honest and decisive and humble. My mom is thrilled, he was her favorite.
As for James voting for Cass? Purely emotional, whatever.
I hope Jesse gets another chance to play, he’s one of my all time favorites now, truly such a fantastic player, I was bummed when he lost at fire. It was probably the only way he’d lose. Dammit, Gabler! What a time to come alive lol
Cody is a funny guy, he makes me laugh against my will
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Dec 15, 2022 8:17:59 GMT -6
I didn't mind Gabler this season as after being on the hot seat, he wisely chose to fade into the background, but that was a strategy that worked very well for him and let him really sell his Alli-gabler approach. Cassidy won 3 immunities, but I don't think comp wins matter nearly as much these days. Also, her arguing that she was always on the right side of the vote and that she was in the majority alliance were weak to me as it's easy to be on the right side of the vote when you're in the majority. Her pointing out that she was the last woman standing also came off wrong, especially as she had a hand in voting out many of the women. If it wasn't over for her by then, her trying to take credit for ousting Ryan, when it was already in the works and the decision had nothing to do with her, sealed her fate. She also underestimated the impact Gabler beating Jesse at making fire would have.
He had the jury smiling and laughing, which usually bodes well, and pointed out that he never had a single vote cast against him and was hugely responsible for Elie's ouster at the critical first post-merge boot. But he didn't hit them over the head with his gameplay and he purposefully did not reveal that he was planning to donate the entire amount to charity (which how incredible is that???), which would have been incredibly manipulative (and i hate when folks pull out a sob story at the FTC) and could have backfired on him.
I didn't expect Owen to get any votes as I don't think he expected to get any. Super-nice guy but other than challenge wins (which again, juries don't care that much about, if at all, anymore), he didn't really have much to speak to from a game perspective.
So not at all the outcome I was expecting, but much like Maryanne in last season, it came down to his adept handling of questions at FTC. His performance blew the other two away.
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Post by jewels on Dec 15, 2022 8:21:29 GMT -6
I thought Gabler did well at the Q&A but I am still surprised he won almost unanimously. I think they made a mistake voting Karla out at 5. It should have been Cassidy. The final challenge is always something like that and with how Karla's body was giving out, she would have not been able to keep steady, and Cassidy has proven steady at those challenges. I think they should have voted Cass out at 5, then there's a chance of Jesse wining immunity.
I think all the players really wanted to vote for Jesse. He was super likeable, his story was compelling, and he made some fantastic moves. I think his downfall was that final 5 vote though... it set him up to make fire which he was very bad at.
I'm sad he didn't win. I'm glad Gabler is donating his money, but I think this season had a bunch of better options for a winner and face of the season.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Dec 15, 2022 8:29:05 GMT -6
I think Jesse's big mistake was showing his hand too soon with outing that he had Jeanine's idol as well as not getting rid of Cass at F5. The only problem with him playing the idol for Karla, who voted for him (the only vote cast against him all season) was that he would have had to tell her ahead of time and trust she wouldn't tell others in the hope of getting him to play it for her while they all vote him. If he had played for Karla without talking to her, he would have gone home based on her one vote. He should have been practicing fire since he ousted Cody. I do think if he had made it to FTC, he likely would have won although Gabler might have still swayed given how good he was at FTC.
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Post by jinkies on Dec 15, 2022 8:45:09 GMT -6
I only saw the first part of tribal because the CBS app is the actual worst. So I missed the second half of the responses and the winner reveal and can't get the app to play it unless I completely start over, and I'm not doing that.
Just based on the responses I saw, I could tell the jury was way more in favor of Gabler than I was expecting. Going into this episode, I thought he would be brought to the end as someone they all thought they could beat. But seems he had played a really good social game.
I'm glad to see from the responses here that he didn't talk about donating the money until after he won. I agree that would have been horribly manipulative and put the jurors in a terrible spot. I really respect his commitment to the cause.
I cried like a baby when Jesse lost fire. I really hope he can come back and play again.
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Post by spicysalmonroll on Dec 15, 2022 9:12:59 GMT -6
I was also absolutely heartbroken when he lost that fire. The fact that Gabler set the all-time fastest record is something pretty crazy for Jesse to compete with. My friend was like "I hope people start a go fund me for Jesse" and I'm like eeeeh I don't know about that. He definitely loves his family and wanted to set them up for a good stable life, but on the other hand he owns a house and has a PhD from Duke so he's not exactly in the most dire of straights.
I just really hope the money Gabler donates goes where it can actually make a difference. I feel with some organizations 600k (after taxes) is like nothing to them and they'll just blow through it on whatever administrative expenses. I hope he can literally buy people groceries, pay heating bills, pay family medical bills, give a car, things that will directly benefit the people he's hoping to help.
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Post by beers on Dec 15, 2022 9:27:15 GMT -6
I think the jury was like the most recent BB jury in that they pretty much decided who they were voting for ahead of the final TC. I think James’s vote for Cassidy was planned to make sure she got second place money.
Overall I am disappointed. I get why Gabler won but I think this was a mediocre season with a few good episodes towards the end that limped over the finish line. The Cody-Karla-Jesse boot order was just a bummer bc they were my ideal F3 based on gameplay.
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Post by imapenguin on Dec 15, 2022 11:35:49 GMT -6
Karla and Jesse are my front runners. I agree with whoever said Gabler is close to becoming a goat and hope he gets gone before we’re stuck with him forever. This did not age well. Actually if you search Gabler in this thread, none of us here were high on him at any point.
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Post by jinkies on Dec 15, 2022 11:53:07 GMT -6
I think they got feedback from fans for a few seasons that the edit made the winner obvious. So now they bend over backwards to obscure the actual winner. But the result is that no one watching has any idea WHY the jury voted for the winner. See also: Erika.
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Post by junch817 on Dec 15, 2022 12:23:10 GMT -6
I think they got feedback from fans for a few seasons that the edit made the winner obvious. So now they bend over backwards to obscure the actual winner. But the result is that no one watching has any idea WHY the jury voted for the winner. See also: Erika. I was thinking about her win as I was watching last night’s episode. I’m still upset that she won over Xander lol I remember saying a few episodes back that I really liked Cassidy but she needed to start doing something in order to win. She did start winning immunity, but like others mentioned, the wins aren’t always enough. I would have loved to see her win the game, but I think I’m handling her loss to Gabler better than I handled Xander’s loss to Erika - and like you said, a lot of that (Erika’s win/Xavier) still has to do with the edit. We had no idea the entire jury was viewing him as a goat. Within the first answer Gabler provided at FTC, I was thinking damn, he is actually really well spoken and giving a great answer. And then more and more I was impressed with his calm demeanor, not stumbling, coming up with “Aligabler”….. he had a fabulous FTC, and I honestly enjoyed watching it. When Karla’s vote was shown, I was still surprised and thinking that they were just showing us Gabler’s one vote. As the votes came in, I was reacting the same as Cassidy and Owen, while still being able to say, I guess I get it. His story reminds me a lot of MaryAnne. We said the exact same things about her last season; she was too loud and over the top silly and that she would be gone soon. Gabler immediately told the other people about his immunity idol (crazy), got in public feuds, and people were even questioning his ability to understand his own immunity idol’s rules….. he really had everyone fooled, intentionally or not. What a season! Definitely some disappointment along the way, but also some new favorites to remember for the ages like Jesse and Karla.
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Post by budders on Dec 15, 2022 13:32:00 GMT -6
I think they got feedback from fans for a few seasons that the edit made the winner obvious. So now they bend over backwards to obscure the actual winner. But the result is that no one watching has any idea WHY the jury voted for the winner. See also: Erika. So I listened to the RHAP Know it Alls recap and they shared an interesting theory (I don’t think it was theirs) that they edit the show from the perspective of the other contestants. So because Gabler lay low for the second half, he wasn’t as featured around camp. I don’t remember the other examples but I sounded like it could be possible. Not saying I agree with that type of editing, but it fits with that perspective.
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Post by GameNight on Dec 15, 2022 16:36:13 GMT -6
I was also surprised Gabler won, but given the final three, I can't make an argument for Cassidy or Owen over him. Owen was a nice guy but didn't have the resume to win and Cassidy wasn't much better and certainly didn't do as well as Gabler during the final tribal council. A recap I read said immunity wins, while impressive, don't mean as much to the jury because they don't see the challenges and the big comebacks and all the things that make the wins interesting, they just see someone walk in with a necklace. They said playing idols and advantages and blindsides wow the jury more, since they see it as it happens, which is an interesting perspective and I guess would make sense in this new era of Survivor with so many idols and advantages.
I agree that the edit once again threw us. I was one of the ones shocked that Xander didn't win (not having read exit interviews to know the jury members felt otherwise) and Gabler's edit was a lot of not feeling well, being exhausted and fighting with/annoying others at camp. We never saw him orchestrate a big move or blindsided but it's also because I just don't think he did those things.
I haven't ever cried at someone not making the final three but I was close with Jesse. He was a good player and I look forward to seeing him and Cody play again in the future.
I miss the live reunions but according to Jeff, it seems like they (producers) prefer the at-tribal winner reveal and pizza party, so I guess that'll be what we get for awhile.
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Post by junch817 on Dec 15, 2022 18:34:46 GMT -6
With every final TC I watch, I grow more and more angry at the way Big Brother continues to do their jury questions. You almost can’t even compare the two, but yet you do, because they’re on the same network and have shared back and forth players over the years. There is no reason Big Brother can’t change their format.
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Post by junch817 on Dec 15, 2022 18:37:58 GMT -6
GameNight Oh my gosh, I was a mess watching Jesse after the fire challenge. To have multiple jury members crying for you…. You know he played a great game. I’m glad he got it out, but was also glad to see him wipe away his tears and go out with his head held high. You can tell he put SO much pressure on himself to win it all, and it broke my heart.
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Post by spicysalmonroll on Dec 16, 2022 7:54:50 GMT -6
I miss the live reunions but according to Jeff, it seems like they (producers) prefer the at-tribal winner reveal and pizza party, so I guess that'll be what we get for awhile. I saw an interview with Owen this morning and he was like Fuck that after party. I don't want to toast champagne to my loss, the entire time I was telling myself "don't look as sad as Xander did". Let me go take a shower and eat a meal and sleep and digest what happened and then we can do this tomorrow.
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Post by GameNight on Dec 23, 2022 11:09:26 GMT -6
Sia has given out her Sia Awards for this season. She gave Jesse $100,000 saying that she was devastated by the fire making challenge loss and that he deserved to win, played the most epic sneaky game in the whole world and made the most epic move she's ever seen. She said she was going to personally lobby to Jeff to get him to return for an upcoming season (not that I think there would be any question about that).
She gave Owen $50,000 and said she really saw him and loved his personality and said she knows what it's like to be the underdog and a bit of an outsider. She said him speaking for all the underdogs made her feel seen too.
She also gave Ryan $50,000 and said he was a beautiful person with an awesome vibe and she sees him as a hero.
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Post by spicysalmonroll on Dec 23, 2022 16:06:36 GMT -6
Yes I was just coming to post the Sia thing. I knew someone would end up giving Jesse money. Which is awesome!!
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Post by imapenguin on Dec 24, 2022 7:57:04 GMT -6
I love that Sis does this. I don’t know why it tickles me so much that she’s a survivor super fan, but it really does.
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Post by iruntodrink on Dec 26, 2022 16:08:40 GMT -6
I just binged the last 4 episodes finally and frankly Jesse pushing Cassidy to do fire (to her directly as a "you need to prove yourself" when she had one 1/3 of the immunity challenges and was guaranteed F3 and then again after saying it should have been her he went against on making fire - according to who??? - I think in a confessional)- was extremely misogynistic to me and he lost me as wanting him to win. I loved his story and I know he's going to get an upward trajectory from here no doubt, but that grossed me out. Maybe it's an OU but Cassidy 100% deserved to be there and his implication was that she didn't. Frankly I felt she deserved more votes than she got. As did Owen. I'm from a military family so I love that Gabler did what he did, but I'm still head scratching
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