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Post by dc2london on Feb 24, 2022 13:30:35 GMT -6
*snip* (sorry, missed the PDQ!!)
Vehicles fueled and gas cans are not because of war, it's because Russia is a huge exporter of natural gas and petroleum. If sanctions hit those, things are going to get very expensive. Now that the EU has torpedoed Nordstream (holy crap), gas prices are skyrocketing here. I repeat, though, it's not because of an imminent war between Russia and the EU/US. It's because of sanctions and Russia's influence on OPEC+ (oil-producing countries not in OPEC). Getting shelf-stable food is again because of supply issues due to oil and gas prices. If oil costs a fortune, shipping is going to slow down.
Petroleum becoming harder or more expensive to come by will also effect things like packaging. So your shampoo might not be available bc they can't make the plastic bottle it comes in.
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Post by Ls2012 on Feb 24, 2022 13:31:07 GMT -6
7,000 more troops deploying to Germany.
I really have no faith that this is going to stay in Ukraine. I shudder at what they'll endure before they get external ground/air help.
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Post by FlightView on Feb 24, 2022 13:31:24 GMT -6
That's going to affect a lot of people. Are other countries following suit? I havenβt seen yet. The assumption is Russia will also ban airspace and that will affect us greatly because right now international flights fly over the top of Alaska and thru Russian airspace. If he bans those flights and closes what we call the Siberian corridor, those flights will fuel at our airport here in anchorage and fly under Russia. So we may be about to get really busy.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 13:34:39 GMT -6
Sanctions only work roughly 30% of the time. And really only when they are targeted for an extremely narrow goal. We should be sanctioning because itβs the literal very least we can do at this point. Iβm also annoyed with the German government. The USG has been telling them for literal years that they were shooting themselves and Eastern Europe (and especially Ukraine) in the foot with Nord Stream 2 for this literal very reason. I think by how specific and insistent Biden has been over the past few weeks speaks to how overwhelming and credible our intel and analysis was that an invasion was absolutely coming - the IC saw it likely from all sides and not just from a handful of sources needing protection. So how do you feel it will shake out if the entire international community holds firm on all the sanctions that are being implemented?
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Post by dc2london on Feb 24, 2022 13:37:40 GMT -6
I heard that hundreds have been arrested for protesting in Russia. That's remarkable bravery.
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Post by byjove on Feb 24, 2022 13:43:29 GMT -6
Whenever I hear of Chernobyl, I think of this story: snip Have you been watching The Gilded Age? I would call this a Marian moment. ETA I know I've had those moments in my life too <3
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 13:43:53 GMT -6
From Kinzinger Iβm not sure how to feel
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 24, 2022 13:46:03 GMT -6
Last I saw over here was $3.49 for regular
I will sit here with my fellow Europe-dwellers and give you the spongebob kid stare. Gas here is β¬1.70 / liter right now, which converts to about $7.60 / gallon. omg we are over 2β¬ a litre for diesel. Wait is yours gas or diesel?
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Post by crimsonandclover on Feb 24, 2022 13:48:35 GMT -6
I will sit here with my fellow Europe-dwellers and give you the spongebob kid stare. Gas here is β¬1.70 / liter right now, which converts to about $7.60 / gallon. omg we are over 2β¬ a litre for diesel. Wait is yours gas or diesel? We've got one electric car (and solar panels on the house) that we use for 95% of our outings and then a van that runs on gas, not diesel. I haven't gotten gas in so long that I had to Google the prices in our area They were for super, so gas.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Feb 24, 2022 13:50:37 GMT -6
Whenever I hear of Chernobyl, I think of this story: snip Have you been watching The Gilded Age? I would call this a Marian moment. Nope. Heard of it, but haven't watched it.
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Post by richard on Feb 24, 2022 13:56:33 GMT -6
So the SWIFT decision would have to be a collective decision, it's not like Biden could do it unilaterally right?
I had to turn off CNN because of the "ZOMG, why is Biden doing SWIFT and sanctioning Putin himself" takes.
ETA: Oops, I meant "isn't" as in "why isn't Biden doing SWIFT..."
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Post by notblanche on Feb 24, 2022 13:59:00 GMT -6
So the SWIFT decision would have to be a collective decision, it's not like Biden could do it unilaterally right? I had to turn off CNN because of the "ZOMG, why is Biden doing SWIFT and sanctioning Putin himself" takes. Right. Biden said "That's not the direction the rest of Europe wants to take at this time."
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 13:59:39 GMT -6
So the SWIFT decision would have to be a collective decision, it's not like Biden could do it unilaterally right? I had to turn off CNN because of the "ZOMG, why is Biden doing SWIFT and sanctioning Putin himself" takes. According to Katy Tur, removing RUS from SWIFT would impact exports for other countries on oil or gas?
because swift is not an actual bank but basically a service to help move $ to and from other countries the fallout from stopping RUS would impact other countries as well.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 24, 2022 14:01:44 GMT -6
So the SWIFT decision would have to be a collective decision, it's not like Biden could do it unilaterally right? I had to turn off CNN because of the "ZOMG, why is Biden doing SWIFT and sanctioning Putin himself" takes. Yes, my understanding is that it has to be unanimous agreements
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 14:03:46 GMT -6
Peter Baker is saying removal from SWIFT is the nuclear option and throwing the whole kitchen sink
whiiiiiiiiiiiiich ok.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 14:11:45 GMT -6
Well now we even have anchors asking silly questions Halle Jackson just asked Mark Warner if he agreed with Biden.
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Post by elle on Feb 24, 2022 14:17:28 GMT -6
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Post by imapenguin on Feb 24, 2022 14:18:17 GMT -6
This account is a good Twitter follow. She has the credentials and is vetting what she shares. Also recommend Malcolm Nance So weird to see her name hereβthis is one of my BILs very close friends and one of the smartest people to ever graduate from my HS. Maybe donβt quote this.
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Post by ozziebear on Feb 24, 2022 14:19:29 GMT -6
Sanctions only work roughly 30% of the time. And really only when they are targeted for an extremely narrow goal. We should be sanctioning because itβs the literal very least we can do at this point. Iβm also annoyed with the German government. The USG has been telling them for literal years that they were shooting themselves and Eastern Europe (and especially Ukraine) in the foot with Nord Stream 2 for this literal very reason. I think by how specific and insistent Biden has been over the past few weeks speaks to how overwhelming and credible our intel and analysis was that an invasion was absolutely coming - the IC saw it likely from all sides and not just from a handful of sources needing protection. So how do you feel it will shake out if the entire international community holds firm on all the sanctions that are being implemented? Caveats that Iβm not a Europe expert and I havenβt read a full list of sanctions. But from what I am seeing, itβs 100% what I, a non expert, wouldβve expected us to do. Weβre following the same pattern as in 2014 - targeting elites, banks, etc etc. So if I can anticipate the pattern, you know all the analysts in the Kermlin did. Which is standard right? every country does this analysis as bread and butter foreign policy making. The problem is how integrated Russia is into European economic sectors - energy especially (hence my annoyance with the Germans). So hurting them there or with something like SWIFT hurts us and/or our allies. Russia is not a small and isolated (relatively speaking) economy like the DPRK, for example, that can be cut out of the global economy easily. Also keep in mind that these are US, not UN, sanctions. Youβve got countries like China who arenβt necessarily going to quibble over Russian exports.
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Post by ozziebear on Feb 24, 2022 14:25:53 GMT -6
So how do you feel it will shake out if the entire international community holds firm on all the sanctions that are being implemented? Caveats that Iβm not a Europe expert and I havenβt read a full list of sanctions. But from what I am seeing, itβs 100% what I, a non expert, wouldβve expected us to do. Weβre following the same pattern as in 2014 - targeting elites, banks, etc etc. So if I can anticipate the pattern, you know all the analysts in the Kermlin did. Which is standard right? every country does this analysis as bread and butter foreign policy making. The problem is how integrated Russia is into European economic sectors - energy especially (hence my annoyance with the Germans). So hurting them there or with something like SWIFT hurts us and/or our allies. Russia is not a small and isolated (relatively speaking) economy like the DPRK, for example, that can be cut out of the global economy easily. Also keep in mind that these are US, not UN, sanctions. Youβve got countries like China who arenβt necessarily going to quibble over Russian exports. Sorry, that was an extremely long-winded way of saying that Iβm not hopeful, and that Russia was almost certainly prepared to weather everything weβre throwing at them now.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 14:28:31 GMT -6
Caveats that Iβm not a Europe expert and I havenβt read a full list of sanctions. But from what I am seeing, itβs 100% what I, a non expert, wouldβve expected us to do. Weβre following the same pattern as in 2014 - targeting elites, banks, etc etc. So if I can anticipate the pattern, you know all the analysts in the Kermlin did. Which is standard right? every country does this analysis as bread and butter foreign policy making. The problem is how integrated Russia is into European economic sectors - energy especially (hence my annoyance with the Germans). So hurting them there or with something like SWIFT hurts us and/or our allies. Russia is not a small and isolated (relatively speaking) economy like the DPRK, for example, that can be cut out of the global economy easily. Also keep in mind that these are US, not UN, sanctions. Youβve got countries like China who arenβt necessarily going to quibble over Russian exports. Sorry, that was an extremely long-winded way of saying that Iβm not hopeful, and that Russia was almost certainly prepared to weather everything weβre throwing at them now. No need to apologize thanks for your insight
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 14:29:13 GMT -6
FAA just announced a larger no fly zone over Belarus, Ukraine and 150ish nautical miles into RUS except for military aircraft
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Post by athn64 on Feb 24, 2022 14:30:46 GMT -6
Of course they are. Fuck that guy.
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Post by richard on Feb 24, 2022 14:51:55 GMT -6
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Post by ozziebear on Feb 24, 2022 14:56:40 GMT -6
Remember when his dad fought to free France from socialism in WWII?
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 15:00:28 GMT -6
How do these people tie their shoes?
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Post by ldubhawksfan on Feb 24, 2022 15:07:42 GMT -6
Lol the gas price talks. I paid $4.75 last week, and I plan to top it off tonight with a car wash because I know it will be higher soon.
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Post by enchanted on Feb 24, 2022 15:13:33 GMT -6
I knew he was not bright, but good grief.
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Post by LaRo422 on Feb 24, 2022 15:17:15 GMT -6
I knew he was not bright, but good grief. Most of my conservative relatives in Alabama think he's a fucking idiot. I don't understand how people like this get elected. I guess they only see the "R" on the ballot.
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Post by iruntodrink on Feb 24, 2022 15:22:34 GMT -6
American Oil & Gas Should NOT take this action to hike prices. They already did. I passed a station today with $3.55 for regular. Opportunistic assholes ours went up $.20 from dropping of the kids to picking them up.
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