iruntodrink
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Post by iruntodrink on Feb 24, 2022 11:41:44 GMT -6
I feel like I'm going to throw up. I don't know how to focus on work. I was just thinking that at least Iβm still on vacation until Monday. I mean we are going home this afternoon but I took off til then. How is everyone supposed to just like do their spreadsheets and shit today? hi, this is me. As someone who has obsessive thoughts and crippling anxiety I work hard to manage my information intake. Hitting likes on posts as appreciation for the information and not condoning actions. I know it doesn't need to be said to our group, but to anyone reading.
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Post by notexactly on Feb 24, 2022 11:42:20 GMT -6
*snip* We are absolutely gearing up.
Good - and that's to prevent a war, not to start one. Of course it makes the situation more precarious if NATO troops are facing off with Russian or Russian-backed troops across a border, but in this case it will prevent a war, not cause one (unless somebody does something stupid, of course, but I'm talking about the most probable scenario). Putin would have lost a ton of face if he hadn't gone into Ukraine, but he hasn't said anything yet about other countries. If NATO ramps up its presence there *now*, before Putin sets his eyes on his next possible target, then I don't think he'll risk talking a big game about them. There are easier targets. He is a dictator through and through, but he's not ignorant like the Cheetoh.
I really, really appreciate your presence here. Knowledge like this makes me feel a tiny bit less anxious.
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origami
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Post by origami on Feb 24, 2022 11:44:30 GMT -6
I donβt have much hope right now but this is helping keep a small flicker alive. Unfortunately I just donβt think Putin cares. He is singularly focused. Oh, Putin absolutely doesn't care. But as long as the Russians care and we see videos like this worldwide, he will have a harder time convincing the world that this is about all of Russia and not just about him.
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jaygee
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Post by jaygee on Feb 24, 2022 11:53:19 GMT -6
Ben Rhodes from the Obama admin is also a good follow. Heβs so smart and gives good historical perspective. Plus he pulls no punches on TFG.
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 11:57:31 GMT -6
CNN has footage of anti war protestors being arrested (live) in Moscow.
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Sundae
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Post by Sundae on Feb 24, 2022 12:12:09 GMT -6
Thank you all. I find your voices here so much better at parsing through what I'm reading (or trying to read) elsewhere. I really appreciate it.
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TheoV2
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Post by TheoV2 on Feb 24, 2022 12:18:18 GMT -6
I'll add my thanks to those here explaining what's going on. I've been head in the political sand for a bit.
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iruntodrink
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Post by iruntodrink on Feb 24, 2022 12:30:21 GMT -6
I'll add my thanks to those here explaining what's going on. I've been head in the political sand for a bit. I think a lot of us have. It's been exhausting.
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Ls2012
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Post by Ls2012 on Feb 24, 2022 12:33:05 GMT -6
crimsonandclover and cmb, can you speak on why he might want to control the Chernobyl area? If it's still dangerous, what's the upside to him?
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fatpony
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Post by fatpony on Feb 24, 2022 12:35:00 GMT -6
The delay in Biden's speech is giving me reminders of waiting for TFG's press secretaries for the WH press briefings. Those were some good memories with this crew.
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Post by notblanche on Feb 24, 2022 12:36:41 GMT -6
I'll add my thanks to those here explaining what's going on. I've been head in the political sand for a bit. I think a lot of us have. It's been exhausting. I have been almost entirely absent. It's a lot.
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 12:37:07 GMT -6
crimsonandclover and cmb , can you speak on why he might want to control the Chernobyl area? If it's still dangerous, what's the upside to him? Clapper has a couple of theories. they dont know I've heard something about the power grid RUS having control so UKR can't release anything on them
But I think its because there is no reason in the insanity
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 24, 2022 12:38:37 GMT -6
crimsonandclover and cmb , can you speak on why he might want to control the Chernobyl area? If it's still dangerous, what's the upside to him? I think if you are at war with someone and there is nuclear waste in the territory, you want to be in control of it.
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cmb
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Post by cmb on Feb 24, 2022 12:41:13 GMT -6
crimsonandclover and cmb, can you speak on why he might want to control the Chernobyl area? If it's still dangerous, what's the upside to him? Fear and the fact that is the most direct route to Kiev. There is a lot of fear invoked when the word radiation or similar terminology is used, and Chernobyl itself also invokes a lot of fear. Your average person most likely knows very little about the new containment around the plant, so the fear of that being in russiaβs hand and the thought idea that russia can do what they will with it (though they canβt because of its design) is real and large
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Post by ozziebear on Feb 24, 2022 12:41:56 GMT -6
Sanctions only work roughly 30% of the time. And really only when they are targeted for an extremely narrow goal. We should be sanctioning because itβs the literal very least we can do at this point. Iβm also annoyed with the German government. The USG has been telling them for literal years that they were shooting themselves and Eastern Europe (and especially Ukraine) in the foot with Nord Stream 2 for this literal very reason.
I think by how specific and insistent Biden has been over the past few weeks speaks to how overwhelming and credible our intel and analysis was that an invasion was absolutely coming - the IC saw it likely from all sides and not just from a handful of sources needing protection.
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elle
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Post by elle on Feb 24, 2022 12:42:18 GMT -6
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 24, 2022 12:45:13 GMT -6
Biden's up.
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 24, 2022 12:48:22 GMT -6
US is blocking 4 more Russian banks.
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 24, 2022 12:50:02 GMT -6
Here's a summary:
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 12:51:21 GMT -6
NATO is convening a summit with 30 allied nations to map out further actions.
He is saying we are not going to fight in Ukraine, but only to defend our NATO allies.
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 12:52:52 GMT -6
Add forces to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Hes authorizing additional forces to Germany to supplement
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 24, 2022 12:53:10 GMT -6
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 12:53:45 GMT -6
American Oil & Gas Should NOT take this action to hike prices.
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 12:54:50 GMT -6
If RUS pursues cyberattacks against american companies we are prepared to respond.
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 12:55:16 GMT -6
We will provide humanitarian relief to Ukraine.
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 12:56:41 GMT -6
This was never about security concerns but naked aggression...changing borders by force
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dc2london
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Post by dc2london on Feb 24, 2022 12:57:04 GMT -6
American Oil & Gas Should NOT take this action to hike prices. They already did. I passed a station today with $3.55 for regular. Opportunistic assholes
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byjove
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Post by byjove on Feb 24, 2022 12:57:51 GMT -6
American Oil & Gas Should NOT take this action to hike prices. All American oil and gas companies βlol ok Bobβ
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 12:57:53 GMT -6
Putin will be a pariah on every international stage. ....(this) will have left RUS weaker
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 24, 2022 12:58:26 GMT -6
American Oil & Gas Should NOT take this action to hike prices. They already did. I passed a station today with $3.55 for regular. Opportunistic assholes Thats been typical here for over a month
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