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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 8:23:39 GMT -6
Then he should speak up about them first. I don't care if they keep their mouths shut about their own family. If he is truly a changed person because he learned from them then he would say something about them first And if he spoke out about it now, you would say that it is too little too late. It's a no win situation. For now, I will be happy that he's speaking up about racism and I hope he continues to do so. I for one would not say it is to little too late but I also didn't talk to my own mother for 2.5 months due to racist things her boyfriend said that she didn't defend so maybe I am projecting
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Post by notblanche on Jul 13, 2021 8:32:38 GMT -6
Then he should speak up about them first. I don't care if they keep their mouths shut about their own family. If he is truly a changed person because he learned from them then he would say something about them first And if he spoke out about it now, you would say that it is too little too late. It's a no win situation. For now, I will be happy that he's speaking up about racism and I hope he continues to do so. The white future king of England is not in a no win situation. He's in an ultimate position of power. If he were to stand up and speak out about the racism Meghan and Archie endured, sure, some people on the internet would find a Sure, Jan. gif or I don't believe you. But it would matter to his family members. To his brother. How do you think it would make them feel to hear his voice in support?
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Post by claudia on Jul 13, 2021 8:46:21 GMT -6
Then he should speak up about them first. I don't care if they keep their mouths shut about their own family. If he is truly a changed person because he learned from them then he would say something about them first And if he spoke out about it now, you would say that it is too little too late. It's a no win situation. For now, I will be happy that he's speaking up about racism and I hope he continues to do so. Some times it is too little too late. And sometimes it is "talk is cheap so I want to see this in action." For me, for Will that would be to continually speak out when he sees something and also to take action such as finding the source of the KP leaks and firing that staff, refusing press access to the outlets that did the racist coverage of Meghan and Archie, etc. To speak out against extremely blatant racism when it is in the news is fine, but it isn't admirable. The attacks the players faces were so obvious and so heinous that it was easy to say "hey, that's unacceptable."
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 8:50:45 GMT -6
And if he spoke out about it now, you would say that it is too little too late. It's a no win situation. For now, I will be happy that he's speaking up about racism and I hope he continues to do so. Some times it is too little too late. And sometimes it is "talk is cheap so I want to see this in action." For me, for Will that would be to continually speak out when he sees something and also to take action such as finding the source of the KP leaks and firing that staff, refusing press access to the outlets that did the racist coverage of Meghan and Archie, etc. To speak out against extremely blatant racism when it is in the news is fine, but it isn't admirable. The attacks the players faces were so obvious and so heinous that it was easy to say "hey, that's unacceptable." especially since he is the president.
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Post by tgrimes on Jul 13, 2021 9:03:58 GMT -6
And if he spoke out about it now, you would say that it is too little too late. It's a no win situation. For now, I will be happy that he's speaking up about racism and I hope he continues to do so. The white future king of England is not in a no win situation. He's in an ultimate position of power. If he were to stand up and speak out about the racism Meghan and Archie endured, sure, some people on the internet would find a Sure, Jan. gif or I don't believe you. But it would matter to his family members. To his brother. How do you think it would make them feel to hear his voice in support? I’m solely talking about in this thread…sorry that wasn’t clear.
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Post by notblanche on Jul 13, 2021 9:10:24 GMT -6
The white future king of England is not in a no win situation. He's in an ultimate position of power. If he were to stand up and speak out about the racism Meghan and Archie endured, sure, some people on the internet would find a Sure, Jan. gif or I don't believe you. But it would matter to his family members. To his brother. How do you think it would make them feel to hear his voice in support? I’m solely talking about in this thread…sorry that wasn’t clear. But this thread doesn't exist in a vacuum. Why bother saying anything at all when it'll be disregarded. Because it needs to said. We don't do the anti-racism work for good juju.
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Post by tgrimes on Jul 13, 2021 9:16:18 GMT -6
I’m solely talking about in this thread…sorry that wasn’t clear. But this thread doesn't exist in a vacuum. Why bother saying anything at all when it'll be disregarded. Because it needs to said. We don't do the anti-racism work for good juju. A no win situation in this thread. If he were to speak out about the racism towards Meghan now, people in this thread would still not believe him and say too little too late. Not sure how much clearer I can make that.
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Post by Ls2012 on Jul 13, 2021 9:34:00 GMT -6
It would be too little, too late for me, personally. It would take a mountainous effort and action on his part to reverse my opinion of him. His lackadaisical attitude and outright dismissal of Meghan and Harry's experience, in conjunction with the leaks and his silence when the media has been blatantly vicious, requires significantly more than just a tweet in support of his team.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jul 13, 2021 9:42:01 GMT -6
If Will is in a no-win situation, then it's a situation of his own making.
I'm not one to say, too little, too late, because I believe it's never too late to make a change. While there is life, there is hope for change.
However, his speaking out on an obvious situation regarding the players doesn't seem like a change though. It's in his comfort zone, it's international news, it's no skin off his back to comment.
When he speaks up for his sister-in-law, his nephew, his niece, his brother, the people who should matter most, next to his family with Kate, or, conversely, when he champions someone who isn't in the headlines, each and every time, then I'll be open to thinking maybe he is capable of change.
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Post by beatch on Jul 13, 2021 9:55:02 GMT -6
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 9:58:53 GMT -6
I am sorry I just can't believe that someone who isn't willing to stand up for racism against his own nephew (Meghan aside if they don't get along) who just had this stuff come out 4 months ago with the Oprah interview is suddenly a changed man on racism.
I am saying this with experience of living in a relationship where I see racism all the time so this isn't just a me not liking Will and not giving him the benefit of the doubt.
*and by saying Meghan aside I am not saying she deserves racism I am just saying if he doesn't like her for other reasons he should have at least stood up for Archie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 10:34:18 GMT -6
I get where you’re coming from tgrimes as I’m an eternal optimist and wish for Harry and Meghan’s sake that Will et al will make significant changes. But I disagree he’s in a no win position here, I think people are speaking from experience and an understanding that public lip service isn’t always an indication of personal growth. I think we can all agree he and the Firm need to do a hell of a lot more than write a single Tweet. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by tgrimes on Jul 13, 2021 10:36:48 GMT -6
I get where you’re coming from tgrimes as I’m an eternal optimist and wish for Harry and Meghan’s sake that Will et al will make significant changes. But I disagree he’s in a no win position here, I think people are speaking from experience and an understanding that public lip service isn’t always an indication of personal growth. I think we can all agree he and the Firm need to do a hell of a lot more than write a single Tweet. 🤷🏼♀️ Again, I said a no win situation in this thread.
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Post by tgrimes on Jul 13, 2021 10:37:53 GMT -6
I am sorry I just can't believe that someone who isn't willing to stand up for racism against his own nephew (Meghan aside if they don't get along) who just had this stuff come out 4 months ago with the Oprah interview is suddenly a changed man on racism. I am saying this with experience of living in a relationship where I see racism all the time so this isn't just a me not liking Will and not giving him the benefit of the doubt. *and by saying Meghan aside I am not saying she deserves racism I am just saying if he doesn't like her for other reasons he should have at least stood up for Archie. No where did I say that he was a changed person. I said I was hopeful that he could change. What is going on in here today?
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Post by claudia on Jul 13, 2021 10:47:03 GMT -6
I get where you’re coming from tgrimes as I’m an eternal optimist and wish for Harry and Meghan’s sake that Will et al will make significant changes. But I disagree he’s in a no win position here, I think people are speaking from experience and an understanding that public lip service isn’t always an indication of personal growth. I think we can all agree he and the Firm need to do a hell of a lot more than write a single Tweet. 🤷🏼♀️ Again, I said a no win situation in this thread. I don’t know what you want. Yes, some of us in this thread are fed up with Will and his racism, so no, we aren’t going to come around to him because he supported the players on a football team. But saying it’s a no win in this thread makes it sound like you think we’re being too hard on him. He’s in a no win position because of his own behavior.
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Post by tgrimes on Jul 13, 2021 10:48:29 GMT -6
Again, I said a no win situation in this thread. I don’t know what you want. Yes, some of us in this thread are fed up with Will and his racism, so no, we aren’t going to come around to him because he supported the players on a football team. But saying it’s a no win in this thread makes it sound like you think we’re being too hard on him. He’s in a no win position because of his own behavior. Lol. I don’t want anything and I absolutely never said you were being too hard on him. I simply stated my opinion. I’m sorry you’re upset by that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 10:54:16 GMT -6
I get where you’re coming from tgrimes as I’m an eternal optimist and wish for Harry and Meghan’s sake that Will et al will make significant changes. But I disagree he’s in a no win position here, I think people are speaking from experience and an understanding that public lip service isn’t always an indication of personal growth. I think we can all agree he and the Firm need to do a hell of a lot more than write a single Tweet. 🤷🏼♀️ Again, I said a no win situation in this thread. I know, that’s specifically what I was addressing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 10:56:09 GMT -6
I am sorry I just can't believe that someone who isn't willing to stand up for racism against his own nephew (Meghan aside if they don't get along) who just had this stuff come out 4 months ago with the Oprah interview is suddenly a changed man on racism. I am saying this with experience of living in a relationship where I see racism all the time so this isn't just a me not liking Will and not giving him the benefit of the doubt. *and by saying Meghan aside I am not saying she deserves racism I am just saying if he doesn't like her for other reasons he should have at least stood up for Archie. No where did I say that he was a changed person. I said I was hopeful that he could change. What is going on in here today? Honestly, I think you’re getting defensive. You said you hope he’s changed, others are saying they don’t think so and why. No one is misunderstanding what you said, they just disagree.
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Post by claudia on Jul 13, 2021 10:57:23 GMT -6
I don’t know what you want. Yes, some of us in this thread are fed up with Will and his racism, so no, we aren’t going to come around to him because he supported the players on a football team. But saying it’s a no win in this thread makes it sound like you think we’re being too hard on him. He’s in a no win position because of his own behavior. Lol. I don’t want anything and I absolutely never said you were being too hard on him. I simply stated my opinion. I’m sorry you’re upset by that. I'm not upset, so save the condescension. I was addressing your comment saying he's in a no-win situation.
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Post by tgrimes on Jul 13, 2021 10:58:58 GMT -6
No where did I say that he was a changed person. I said I was hopeful that he could change. What is going on in here today? Honestly, I think you’re getting defensive. You said you hope he’s changed, others are saying they don’t think so and why. No one is misunderstanding what you said, they just disagree. Okay.
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Post by claudia on Jul 13, 2021 11:02:44 GMT -6
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 11:10:07 GMT -6
Honestly, I think you’re getting defensive. You said you hope he’s changed, others are saying they don’t think so and why. No one is misunderstanding what you said, they just disagree. Okay. I am explaining to you why I don't have that hope. you are getting defensive and through in that Harry changed so Will can and I am explaining to you FROM EXPERIENCE why I ME MYSELF can't have that hope. That is great you do, but I don't have the privilege of assuming that one anti racism tweet means that you are suddenly not racist.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 11:13:07 GMT -6
This is why I feel that I can't bring things up. As soon as I say my piece it gets thrown to the side as just a W&K hater nothing they do is good enough and that is not the case.
If when that Oprah interview came out Will came out and said something in support of them and fired staff and DIDN'T LAUNCH A BULLYING INVESTIGATION or Hire the staff at the center of said bullying we would be having a different conversation. If he said from the minute that a media personality called his nephew a monkey that it wasn't appropriate and took appropriate action from having media in their circle we would be having a different conversation.
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Post by tgrimes on Jul 13, 2021 11:15:24 GMT -6
I am explaining to you why I don't have that hope. you are getting defensive and through in that Harry changed so Will can and I am explaining to you FROM EXPERIENCE why I ME MYSELF can't have that hope. That is great you do, but I don't have the privilege of assuming that one anti racism tweet means that you are suddenly not racist. I don’t have that privilege either. But again, I feel like you just twisted my words. I did not say he was not racist. I said i was hopeful he could change. I’m not getting defensive, I just feel that my original statement was being continuing to be misconstrued and was attempting to explain what I meant.
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Post by STP on Jul 13, 2021 11:17:32 GMT -6
But this thread doesn't exist in a vacuum. Why bother saying anything at all when it'll be disregarded. Because it needs to said. We don't do the anti-racism work for good juju. A no win situation in this thread. If he were to speak out about the racism towards Meghan now, people in this thread would still not believe him and say too little too late. Not sure how much clearer I can make that. And? People in this thread are as entitled to their feelings as you are.
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Post by STP on Jul 13, 2021 11:19:34 GMT -6
I am explaining to you why I don't have that hope. you are getting defensive and through in that Harry changed so Will can and I am explaining to you FROM EXPERIENCE why I ME MYSELF can't have that hope. That is great you do, but I don't have the privilege of assuming that one anti racism tweet means that you are suddenly not racist. I don’t have that privilege either. But again, I feel like you just twisted my words. I did not say he was not racist. I said i was hopeful he could change. I’m not getting defensive, I just feel that my original statement was being continuing to be misconstrued and was attempting to explain what I meant. No, you’re not being defensive, you’re being snotty. My gosh.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 11:19:50 GMT -6
Harry wore a Nazi suit he did, but guess what so did Will. The difference in the 2 are that I SEE Harry doing the work not just saying the words. TO ME that is what I need. I need to SEE work being done to have hope someone can change.
ETA: And that is not to say Harry's work is done it isn't he has a lot of family ideals and such embedded in him and it is going to take that time.
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Post by STP on Jul 13, 2021 11:20:39 GMT -6
No where did I say that he was a changed person. I said I was hopeful that he could change. What is going on in here today? No one is misunderstanding what you said, they just disagree. Ding ding ding
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Post by STP on Jul 13, 2021 11:22:13 GMT -6
Harry wore a Nazi suit he did, but guess what so did Will. The difference in the 2 are that I SEE Harry doing the work not just saying the words. TO ME that is what I need. I need to SEE work being done to have hope someone can change.
ETA: And that is not to say Harry's work is done it isn't he has a lot of family ideals and such embedded in him and it is going to take that time.
He was at least willing to say shit was racist. When Will does that, we’ll talk.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 11:24:09 GMT -6
Harry wore a Nazi suit he did, but guess what so did Will. The difference in the 2 are that I SEE Harry doing the work not just saying the words. TO ME that is what I need. I need to SEE work being done to have hope someone can change.
ETA: And that is not to say Harry's work is done it isn't he has a lot of family ideals and such embedded in him and it is going to take that time.
He was at least willing to say shit was racist. When Will does that, we’ll talk. Yep. And moved his family away.
I am aware that Will has more factors in play when it comes to that, but he literally said they weren't a racist family which is what my mom's boyfriend said when I called him a racist for using the N word so.................
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