addymac
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Post by addymac on Jul 13, 2021 11:39:21 GMT -6
This is why I feel that I can't bring things up. As soon as I say my piece it gets thrown to the side as just a W&K hater nothing they do is good enough and that is not the case. If when that Oprah interview came out Will came out and said something in support of them and fired staff and DIDN'T LAUNCH A BULLYING INVESTIGATION or Hire the staff at the center of said bullying we would be having a different conversation. If he said from the minute that a media personality called his nephew a monkey that it wasn't appropriate and took appropriate action from having media in their circle we would be having a different conversation. Nah you’re good. Will’s forking racist AF. No number of tweets calling it out will change my mind over it. He can take a seat and stfu. To me it’s 2 lil 2 L8 bro. You don’t do jacks hit to defend your family / actively went against your bro and his wife and a CHILD, You can go fuck yourself. He’s literally in a position of power. Who holds the most power in this world? Middle age / older White men. What is Will? A future fucking king who is a white male. So miss me with that shit that he is powerless to stand up for Meghan and Archie. His actions / inactions directly resulted in his only brother moving halfway across the world and out of the family business.
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Post by miawallace on Jul 13, 2021 11:41:53 GMT -6
I mean will had the perfect opportunity shortly after the interview to say something that was self aware about all the biases he’s not aware of. Instead, he said “we are very much not racist”. That was a few months ago. I don’t see him having an epiphany about it all. Zero. It just all feels so empty.
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Post by crunch on Jul 13, 2021 11:41:55 GMT -6
Here I go again, following angelashly and claudia liking and agreeing with everything they say. I only follow soccer because my 8 year old is really into it. We watched the game. I was sick and heartbroken for the English players because I knew what would happen. The response to them was disgusting. While everyone should speak out about the horrific and racist behavior, I'm very "yeah, okay" to Will because he had the chance to take a stand years/months ago and chose not to. And not only did he choose not to, rumor has it he was feeding stories about Meghan. I don't want my comments to make it seem as though these soccer players weren't worth Will speaking out in support of, because of course they are. However, I find it fucked up that he only speaks about it when it's something that provides entertainment to him and not his own family. He sucks.
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Post by addymac on Jul 13, 2021 11:42:13 GMT -6
Oh also speaking of Meghan and co, my sister moved to Montecito. I’m DETERMINED to get her to cross paths with Meghan. She’s in the NPO world and looking for a new job and I am pushing her to try to find a job with Archewell. Also I plan on taking DS there for her wedding in September and any time not wedding related you know I will be at the beach they frequent and any restaurant they are known to go to. I’m determined to have DS be a kid and interact with Archie and then we will become BFFs.
I’m not even kidding about 99% of this lol.
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Post by claudia on Jul 13, 2021 11:46:44 GMT -6
Oh also speaking of Meghan and co, my sister moved to Montecito. I’m DETERMINED to get her to cross paths with Meghan. She’s in the NPO world and looking for a new job and I am pushing her to try to find a job with Archewell. Also I plan on taking DS there for her wedding in September and any time not wedding related you know I will be at the beach they frequent and any restaurant they are known to go to. I’m determined to have DS be a kid and interact with Archie and then we will become BFFs. I’m not even kidding about 99% of this lol. Serious question. Are you willing to wear a hidden camera? Just in case?
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 11:48:43 GMT -6
Here I go again, following angelashly and claudia liking and agreeing with everything they say. I only follow soccer because my 8 year old is really into it. We watched the game. I was sick and heartbroken for the English players because I knew what would happen. The response to them was disgusting. While everyone should speak out about the horrific and racist behavior, I'm very "yeah, okay" to Will because he had the chance to take a stand years/months ago and chose not to. And not only did he choose not to, rumor has it he was feeding stories about Meghan. I don't want my comments to make it seem as though these soccer players weren't worth Will speaking out in support of, because of course they are. However, I find it fucked up that he only speaks about it when it's something that provides entertainment to him and not his own family. He sucks. You bring up a great point. I absolutely feel that the soccer players deserve to be spoken up and I hope that what I said was not coming across that I felt otherwise for I just wish Will did it in a way that showed action behind the words.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 11:50:18 GMT -6
Oh also speaking of Meghan and co, my sister moved to Montecito. I’m DETERMINED to get her to cross paths with Meghan. She’s in the NPO world and looking for a new job and I am pushing her to try to find a job with Archewell. Also I plan on taking DS there for her wedding in September and any time not wedding related you know I will be at the beach they frequent and any restaurant they are known to go to. I’m determined to have DS be a kid and interact with Archie and then we will become BFFs. I’m not even kidding about 99% of this lol. I see nothing wrong with this. DD has been planning her trip to meet Meghan and Archie and now Lilibet since they moved to America
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Post by addymac on Jul 13, 2021 11:54:43 GMT -6
Oh also speaking of Meghan and co, my sister moved to Montecito. I’m DETERMINED to get her to cross paths with Meghan. She’s in the NPO world and looking for a new job and I am pushing her to try to find a job with Archewell. Also I plan on taking DS there for her wedding in September and any time not wedding related you know I will be at the beach they frequent and any restaurant they are known to go to. I’m determined to have DS be a kid and interact with Archie and then we will become BFFs. I’m not even kidding about 99% of this lol. Serious question. Are you willing to wear a hidden camera? Just in case? I’m not saying no….
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Post by crunch on Jul 13, 2021 11:57:58 GMT -6
And this was an easy thing to speak up against. The world was watching and speaking up against the racist behavior. Will commenting against racism in this instance felt like the day everyone made their profile pictures black in support of BLM. Very performative with no substance.
When it would have rocked the boat, he stayed silent.
and again, I want to make sure I say these soccer players are worth every single supportive comment from every single famous or not famous person, even Will. What happened to them was horrifying and I'm so sad for them and their families.
edited for word choice
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 12:17:58 GMT -6
And this was an easy thing to speak up against. The world was watching and speaking up against the racist behavior. Will commenting against racism in this instance felt like the day everyone made their profile pictures black in support of BLM. Very performative with no substance. When it would have rocked the boat, he stayed silent. and again, I want to make sure I say these soccer players are worth every single supportive comment from every single famous or not famous person, even Will. What happened to them was horrifying and I'm so sad for them and their families. edited for word choice Agree
I want to hear how he plans to stop it. And yes I am fully aware he can't stop it alone, but saying it needs to be stopped and doing something to stop it is 2 different things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 12:39:27 GMT -6
Well I fucking LOVE this!! Not in small part because it will really make the racists mad 😂
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Post by miawallace on Jul 13, 2021 12:39:56 GMT -6
I just wish we would stop giving kudos to white cis men when they seem to do the bare minimum. Will is part of the ruling class in the world. There’s a deeper issue here that I don’t really want to get into to be honest. It’s just disappointing.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 12:42:04 GMT -6
I just wish we would stop giving kudos to white cis men when they seem to do the bare minimum. Will is part of the ruling class in the world. There’s a deeper issue here that I don’t really want to get into to be honest. It’s just disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 12:42:05 GMT -6
Oh also speaking of Meghan and co, my sister moved to Montecito. I’m DETERMINED to get her to cross paths with Meghan. She’s in the NPO world and looking for a new job and I am pushing her to try to find a job with Archewell. Also I plan on taking DS there for her wedding in September and any time not wedding related you know I will be at the beach they frequent and any restaurant they are known to go to. I’m determined to have DS be a kid and interact with Archie and then we will become BFFs. I’m not even kidding about 99% of this lol. I will meet you down there for this and I am 100% serious 😂
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Post by crunch on Jul 13, 2021 12:42:56 GMT -6
I just wish we would stop giving kudos to white cis men when they seem to do the bare minimum. Will is part of the ruling class in the world. There’s a deeper issue here that I don’t really want to get into to be honest. It’s just disappointing. This is another thing I was thinking about. Will is literally about to be a world leader. He can be the change if he wants to. And he doesn't even need to worry about an election. (Not that you should stay silent because of elections but it's obviously a thing and he doesn't even need to worry about it)
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 12:43:02 GMT -6
miawallace, you said what I was trying to get out so much better than me.
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Post by miawallace on Jul 13, 2021 12:45:35 GMT -6
miawallace, you said what I was trying to get out so much better than me. It has more to do with white women always subconsciously protecting their white men. It’s not something that is done maliciously. But it has malicious results for the whole of society. I feel a rant coming so I won’t. But I just want all of us to think about why we do and say what we say about this. I also don’t want to seem like I’m personally attacking anyone. It’s just like I said, it’s a deeper issue here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 12:50:24 GMT -6
miawallace, you said what I was trying to get out so much better than me. It has more to do with white women always subconsciously protecting their white men. It’s not something that is done maliciously. But it has malicious results for the whole of society. I feel a rant coming so I won’t. But I just want all of us to think about why we do and say what we say about this. I also don’t want to seem like I’m personally attacking anyone. It’s just like I said, it’s a deeper issue here. It’s one of those things that’s insidious and deeply engrained in our culture. We all need to check ourselves and try to bring unconscious biases to the surface. I really like the Harvard bias tests. I learned really surprising biases I have that help me notice when they’re coming up. Like I’m not as feminist as I imagine myself to be, for example. Blew my mind 😂
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 12:51:18 GMT -6
miawallace, you said what I was trying to get out so much better than me. It has more to do with white women always subconsciously protecting their white men. It’s not something that is done maliciously. But it has malicious results for the whole of society. I feel a rant coming so I won’t. But I just want all of us to think about why we do and say what we say about this. I also don’t want to seem like I’m personally attacking anyone. It’s just like I said, it’s a deeper issue here. Agree I know I am bringing up my mom’s boyfriend but her first thought was to defend him with he has black family members as if that makes a difference but also my mom is a WOC herself being Latina and I just don’t understand that jump to defend the white man.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 12:52:19 GMT -6
It has more to do with white women always subconsciously protecting their white men. It’s not something that is done maliciously. But it has malicious results for the whole of society. I feel a rant coming so I won’t. But I just want all of us to think about why we do and say what we say about this. I also don’t want to seem like I’m personally attacking anyone. It’s just like I said, it’s a deeper issue here. It’s one of those things that’s insidious and deeply engrained in our culture. We all need to check ourselves and try to bring unconscious biases to the surface. I really like the Harvard bias tests. I learned really surprising biases I have that help me notice when they’re coming up. Like I’m not as feminist as I imagine myself to be, for example. Blew my mind 😂 Ohh are those available to the public? I’m setting up a workshop series for my diversity initiative and one is on bias and I would love to send this out to those attending
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Post by miawallace on Jul 13, 2021 12:56:38 GMT -6
It has more to do with white women always subconsciously protecting their white men. It’s not something that is done maliciously. But it has malicious results for the whole of society. I feel a rant coming so I won’t. But I just want all of us to think about why we do and say what we say about this. I also don’t want to seem like I’m personally attacking anyone. It’s just like I said, it’s a deeper issue here. Agree I know I am bringing up my mom’s boyfriend but her first thought was to defend him with he has black family members as if that makes a difference but also my mom is a WOC herself being Latina and I just don’t understand that jump to defend the white man. and I’m not without fault. I’ve done that. I’ve defending people because they were fam or friends or boyfriends. But like I hate who I was then. I was such a hindrance. I was a pick me girl to these men who would literally throw me under the bus if they were given an opportunity. Even with my white husband, I stay quiet now and let him learn what he needs to learn without me defending him. He’s got a ways to go too. We are all learning.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 12:59:19 GMT -6
Agree I know I am bringing up my mom’s boyfriend but her first thought was to defend him with he has black family members as if that makes a difference but also my mom is a WOC herself being Latina and I just don’t understand that jump to defend the white man. and I’m not without fault. I’ve done that. I’ve defending people because they were fam or friends or boyfriends. But like I hate who I was then. I was such a hindrance. I was a pick me girl to these men who would literally throw me under the bus if they were given an opportunity. Even with my white husband, I stay quiet now and let him learn what he needs to learn without me defending him. He’s got a ways to go too. We are all learning. That is the only reason we are talking now. We are dealing with everything on my H's side and he told me that we have to remember she was taught something and she herself has never been alone and that right now means that she is going to have that reaction of taking his side and we need to teach her. He has much more patience than me but we are going to do it while not having any contact with him. My older sister just can't get it because she is the all or nothing on racism person and I love her for it, but also I know that I have to follow his lead on things too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 13:01:02 GMT -6
It’s one of those things that’s insidious and deeply engrained in our culture. We all need to check ourselves and try to bring unconscious biases to the surface. I really like the Harvard bias tests. I learned really surprising biases I have that help me notice when they’re coming up. Like I’m not as feminist as I imagine myself to be, for example. Blew my mind 😂 Ohh are those available to the public? I’m setting up a workshop series for my diversity initiative and one is on bias and I would love to send this out to those attending Yes! implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/canada/takeatest.html
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Post by emma on Jul 13, 2021 13:10:23 GMT -6
Will's a shit person and will continue to be so because he's a rich white male who people literally bow down to, he has no desire to change because he thinks he's fine as he is.
Honestly Harry wasn't much better, he never spoke out about racism until he fell in love with a WOC and had his eyes opened to it in a very real way. If it wasn't for Meghan i'd put money on Harry turning out just like Will has.
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Post by icedcoffee on Jul 13, 2021 13:29:38 GMT -6
Wow just catching up and so many good points being made
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Post by miawallace on Jul 13, 2021 13:29:58 GMT -6
Will's a shit person and will continue to be so because he's a rich white male who people literally bow down to, he has no desire to change because he thinks he's fine as he is. Honestly Harry wasn't much better, he never spoke out about racism until he fell in love with a WOC and had his eyes opened to it in a very real way. If it wasn't for Meghan i'd put money on Harry turning out just like Will has. i was going to say this too. Harry doesn’t get brownie points here either. It’s cool but like it wouldn’t be the status quo he was born into at all.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 13:32:14 GMT -6
Will's a shit person and will continue to be so because he's a rich white male who people literally bow down to, he has no desire to change because he thinks he's fine as he is. Honestly Harry wasn't much better, he never spoke out about racism until he fell in love with a WOC and had his eyes opened to it in a very real way. If it wasn't for Meghan i'd put money on Harry turning out just like Will has. I agree with this because as I've said before racism is learned behavior and they learned it from their family.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 13, 2021 13:33:17 GMT -6
Will's a shit person and will continue to be so because he's a rich white male who people literally bow down to, he has no desire to change because he thinks he's fine as he is. Honestly Harry wasn't much better, he never spoke out about racism until he fell in love with a WOC and had his eyes opened to it in a very real way. If it wasn't for Meghan i'd put money on Harry turning out just like Will has. i was going to say this too. Harry doesn’t get brownie points here either. It’s cool but like it wouldn’t be the status quo he was born into at all. exactly. That is why I wanted to point out that Harry's work on changing isn't done and it is going to take a lot of time and action but he is working on that and learning at least.
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Post by jorkzy on Jul 13, 2021 13:38:27 GMT -6
We could also talk about how Wills is happy to defend men but not WOC in a public way.
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Post by addymac on Jul 13, 2021 13:38:36 GMT -6
I mean I have more respect for Harry for being open to realizing how wrong what he grew up in was. He’s working on it. There are plenty of white people that marry black people and have mixed kids and still turn out to be racist AF. At least Harry is trying and took his family away from the racist family members to protect them. Many don’t and still subject their partners and kids bc “it’s family”. Harry said fuck that. He doesn’t get an award but he gets props for it.
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