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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 21:09:14 GMT -6
I think we all need a session in a rage room this week. Oof.
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Post by AmyG on Jul 24, 2021 22:38:11 GMT -6
Do you have a link to where you read this? In trying to find it, I realize I must've heard it on the radio, not read it, but it was Dr. Redlener discussing the potential issues even with previously deemed safe public outdoor gatherings. Here's a tweet with a clip where he appears on MSNBC discussing the Delta variant. So at 1000x more viral load, that has to impact can a vaccinated person catch delta variant covid and have enough viral load to spread it to someone else??!! |
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Post by jaygee on Jul 24, 2021 22:39:09 GMT -6
Now I’m wondering about the wedding I’m going to in August. It’s going to be a very outdoor event and weekend but we shall see about numbers.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 25, 2021 6:40:21 GMT -6
In trying to find it, I realize I must've heard it on the radio, not read it, but it was Dr. Redlener discussing the potential issues even with previously deemed safe public outdoor gatherings. Here's a tweet with a clip where he appears on MSNBC discussing the Delta variant. So at 1000x more viral load, that has to impact can a vaccinated person catch delta variant covid and have enough viral load to spread it to someone else??!! Andy Slavitt said the change in the spike protein that makes delta more contagious also makes it easier for the vaccine to fight. The viral load shouldn't matter if infection doesn't occur because the virus won't replicate, right? |
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Post by Minerva on Jul 25, 2021 7:25:54 GMT -6
So at 1000x more viral load, that has to impact can a vaccinated person catch delta variant covid and have enough viral load to spread it to someone else??!! Andy Slavitt said the change in the spike protein that makes delta more contagious also makes it easier for the vaccine to fight. The viral load shouldn't matter if infection doesn't occur because the virus won't replicate, right? Pfizer, at least, is very effective against it. I assume Moderna too. It’s spike protein is very “sticky”, which is both what the vaccine alerts the immune system to and how the virus enters our cells. So a vaccinated person’s immune cells find it easily. The problem is that it is replicating earlier, much faster, and higher in the respiratory tract. And it takes time for all parts of our immune system to kick in after initial infection. All of that combined means that there can be a lot more virus before the immune system has fully responded, so it has to work harder. People are also being exposed to much more virus (both because it replicates faster and it is replicating in a part of the airway where it is easily passed on with breathing and coughing), so it’s easier for an exposure to be over the threshold of what will make a person ill. It still has the same physical properties as the other variants, so masking and social distancing are both very effective mitigations. Outdoors is still a lot safer than indoors. But it will take a smaller/shorter amount of contact to spread Delta, so outdoors on its own is not going to be as effective a protectant as with the other variants, especially in crowds. |
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jul 25, 2021 7:40:59 GMT -6
I do scientist and can't make heads or tails of that article. 1) very small sample size, 2) they had like 5 different protocols within that small sample size, 3) they did qualitative interpretation of like 749 symptoms including detailed dream descriptions. 😳 I... don't even know what to do with that. To compare: the big vaccines did trials with 30000 subjects all getting the same protocol to get enough statistically meaningful data. |
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Post by Minerva on Jul 25, 2021 7:45:57 GMT -6
I do scientist and can't make heads or tails of that article. 1) very small sample size, 2) they had like 5 different protocols within that small sample size, 3) they did qualitative interpretation of like 749 symptoms including detailed dream descriptions. 😳 I... don't even know what to do with that. To compare: the big vaccines did trials with 30000 subjects all getting the same protocol to get enough statistically meaningful data. Yup. That is pseudoscience at its worst. 😞 |
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Post by doublestuf on Jul 25, 2021 8:16:51 GMT -6
Minerva thank you for that very detailed explanation!
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Post by willow on Jul 25, 2021 9:10:29 GMT -6
I do scientist and can't make heads or tails of that article. 1) very small sample size, 2) they had like 5 different protocols within that small sample size, 3) they did qualitative interpretation of like 749 symptoms including detailed dream descriptions. 😳 I... don't even know what to do with that. To compare: the big vaccines did trials with 30000 subjects all getting the same protocol to get enough statistically meaningful data. Oh yeah I was under no impression that it was a valid study, my eyes just cross when I read scientific writing so it’s hard for me to focus and read it lol. I appreciate those of you who can break it down for me! The dream part really did amuse me. Also the part at the end where it almost became a sermon? |
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Post by cakewench on Jul 25, 2021 9:51:21 GMT -6
Just got off the phone with future SIL. They are bummed, but understand. My parents had initially talked about coming down to help out for a few days since I'll be alone, but apparently cases on Cape are the highest in the state right now and they don't feel comfortable making the trip. They were going to be N's care if I had gone, so definitely for the best I'm staying behind but I still feel terrible about it.
I'm going to call their venue this week - I know the plan is to hang out at the venue for a while before the actual ceremony begins so I'm going to see if I can do something, like send champagne or snacks. We're going to see if friends of ours would be willing to facetime me during the ceremony so N and I can watch.
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 25, 2021 9:58:08 GMT -6
cakewench. I’m sorry what an awful situation with no good answers for anyone
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Post by jaygee on Jul 25, 2021 10:03:30 GMT -6
I’m so sorry cakewench. What an awful disappointment for you guys. |
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Post by doublestuf on Jul 25, 2021 10:09:05 GMT -6
Big hugs cakewench. That was not an easy decision. |
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Post by doublestuf on Jul 25, 2021 10:11:07 GMT -6
Just got back from the grocery store that has a higher percentage of mask wearers than other ones around here. There didn't appear to be many more than normal. Sigh. I was really hoping more people might go back to wearing them on their own with an uptick in cases.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 25, 2021 10:34:05 GMT -6
cakewench I'm sorry you had to make that choice, but I'm so glad your family is being supportive.
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Post by clucky on Jul 25, 2021 11:19:54 GMT -6
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Post by clucky on Jul 25, 2021 11:34:08 GMT -6
PDQ
For some reason there will be a public viewing and service this week. In an area that is spreading delta, for a man who died of covid, in a hospital that wasn’t effective in testing or diagnosing a severe covid case when it was brought it with ALL of the classic symptoms of covid. The family is large enough, but he was a prominent member of the community, who lived there his entire life. ::throws up hands::
His siblings will have time alone with him, as well as the family prior. I’m sad to have to miss, but I’m absolutely certain he wouldn’t want me to potentially expose his great nephews to covid.
All of this is reminding me of the outbreaks in the larger cities and what was suspected (or maybe that was in my own thoughts ?) would happen in rural areas at some point. ::deep breath::
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Post by clucky on Jul 25, 2021 11:35:08 GMT -6
So sorry cakewench. Hopefully the venue will be able to help you plan a little something. |
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Post by addymac on Jul 25, 2021 11:58:08 GMT -6
Im sorry cakewenchIm sorry cluck y. How frustrating. I kept telling myself we had time to make a decision about FL at the end of august bc we had lots of time until then but now we are less than an month out from our departure date and I am freaking out. |
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Post by addymac on Jul 25, 2021 11:58:50 GMT -6
Andy Slavitt said the change in the spike protein that makes delta more contagious also makes it easier for the vaccine to fight. The viral load shouldn't matter if infection doesn't occur because the virus won't replicate, right? Pfizer, at least, is very effective against it. I assume Moderna too. It’s spike protein is very “sticky”, which is both what the vaccine alerts the immune system to and how the virus enters our cells. So a vaccinated person’s immune cells find it easily. The problem is that it is replicating earlier, much faster, and higher in the respiratory tract. And it takes time for all parts of our immune system to kick in after initial infection. All of that combined means that there can be a lot more virus before the immune system has fully responded, so it has to work harder. People are also being exposed to much more virus (both because it replicates faster and it is replicating in a part of the airway where it is easily passed on with breathing and coughing), so it’s easier for an exposure to be over the threshold of what will make a person ill. It still has the same physical properties as the other variants, so masking and social distancing are both very effective mitigations. Outdoors is still a lot safer than indoors. But it will take a smaller/shorter amount of contact to spread Delta, so outdoors on its own is not going to be as effective a protectant as with the other variants, especially in crowds. I love it when you talk science. 🤩 |
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Post by cakewench on Jul 25, 2021 12:09:11 GMT -6
I’m so sorry clucky. ❤️❤️❤️
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Post by goldenbird on Jul 25, 2021 13:37:25 GMT -6
I'm sorry cakewench. I know that was a tough decision to make. |
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Post by goldenbird on Jul 25, 2021 13:37:52 GMT -6
Clucky I'm so sorry. ❤
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Post by blurnette989 on Jul 25, 2021 14:48:13 GMT -6
Pfizer, at least, is very effective against it. I assume Moderna too. It’s spike protein is very “sticky”, which is both what the vaccine alerts the immune system to and how the virus enters our cells. So a vaccinated person’s immune cells find it easily. The problem is that it is replicating earlier, much faster, and higher in the respiratory tract. And it takes time for all parts of our immune system to kick in after initial infection. All of that combined means that there can be a lot more virus before the immune system has fully responded, so it has to work harder. People are also being exposed to much more virus (both because it replicates faster and it is replicating in a part of the airway where it is easily passed on with breathing and coughing), so it’s easier for an exposure to be over the threshold of what will make a person ill. It still has the same physical properties as the other variants, so masking and social distancing are both very effective mitigations. Outdoors is still a lot safer than indoors. But it will take a smaller/shorter amount of contact to spread Delta, so outdoors on its own is not going to be as effective a protectant as with the other variants, especially in crowds. I love it when you talk science. 🤩 For serious. Nothing gets me hot and bothered like fact based science discussions. Ok, except maybe policy. Super leftist policy. Bit legit @minerva you keep talking that sexy science girl. |
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Post by blurnette989 on Jul 25, 2021 14:49:32 GMT -6
I love it when you talk science. 🤩 For serious. Nothing gets me hot and bothered like fact based science discussions. Ok, except maybe policy. Super leftist policy. Bit legit @minerva you keep talking that sexy science girl. Eta i had forgetton or didnt know Minerva was seadragon. |
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Post by blurnette989 on Jul 25, 2021 14:50:26 GMT -6
clucky sending so much love your way.
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Post by clucky on Jul 25, 2021 15:35:44 GMT -6
Thank you everyone for helping me process the thoughts so they don’t fester. It is all so heartbreaking and frustrating.
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Post by cakewench on Jul 25, 2021 15:38:43 GMT -6
We’re here for anything you need, clucky. ❤️❤️❤️
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Post by klw on Jul 25, 2021 19:21:00 GMT -6
((hugs)) clucky
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