inthekitty
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Post by inthekitty on Jun 10, 2021 12:48:13 GMT -6
inthekitty they said she "thrived" in Gilead? That word doesn't mean what they think it means. Or maybe I have a different definition. She was in adrenaline-filled survival mode and worked under pressure. Once that fight or flight mode is shut off she won't be the same person. I would imagine it's not all that different than the decompression time military members need after returning from war. I would rage post on comments like that. Yes. It was so gross. There were so many posts about how June functioned much better in Gilead/could not function in Canada. I was just like are we not watching the same show? It does not take a psych major to figure out you don't overcome years of serious trauma overnight. Especially when the trauma is still ongoing. Gilead still stands with millions of people still trapped and tortured there, including her daughter.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 10, 2021 14:37:23 GMT -6
It felt like there was a lot to unpack here and not just in words, in body language. I felt sick to my stomach at the Luke part knowing how much it must be tearing him up inside to ask June to see Nick and use him to get Hannah back. I was very amazed at how well done that scene was.
I also had hope for June this episode. I thought her seeing Nick, them talking and him telling her to be happy would change things for the better but the ending sealed it. June is renewed with a fighting venegence. I hope something bad happens to Waterford. That is so messed up!!!
Janine and Ms. Keyes feel like they are going to spearhead the next revolt. Lydia is turning a blind eye to Janine but I don't remember why Janine is Lydia's favorite. Was it because she had 2 kids?
I agree about Luke, BUT his body language during the scene was... IDK, icky? Like, his jealousy was obvious, and understandable, but it almost seemed like he was relishing June's discomfort. Or something.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 10, 2021 14:41:06 GMT -6
I cried in the scenes with June and Nick. I feel like she's more in love and has a better connection with Nick. It seems forced now with Luke, which understandably so after so much time apart and everything they've been through. It makes me sad because Luke is a good man and ridden with so much torment and guilt because he got out and Hannah and June didn’t. It’s really trauma and circumstance that will break them apart, nothing that either of them did wrong. I like June with both of them for different reasons but think she’ll end up with Nick. If he doesn’t end up dead or something wild. I agree with this.
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Post by bustedbiscuits on Jun 10, 2021 15:44:48 GMT -6
It felt like there was a lot to unpack here and not just in words, in body language. I felt sick to my stomach at the Luke part knowing how much it must be tearing him up inside to ask June to see Nick and use him to get Hannah back. I was very amazed at how well done that scene was.
I also had hope for June this episode. I thought her seeing Nick, them talking and him telling her to be happy would change things for the better but the ending sealed it. June is renewed with a fighting venegence. I hope something bad happens to Waterford. That is so messed up!!!
Janine and Ms. Keyes feel like they are going to spearhead the next revolt. Lydia is turning a blind eye to Janine but I don't remember why Janine is Lydia's favorite. Was it because she had 2 kids?
I agree about Luke, BUT his body language during the scene was... IDK, icky? Like, his jealousy was obvious, and understandable, but it almost seemed like he was relishing June's discomfort. Or something. I agree, his body language changed so much during that scene. I did get the feeling that he either hated asking it of June since he knows she loves/loved Nick, and also wanted to hurt June emotionally in a way maybe for ruining his image of how Hannah was/lying at first.
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Post by bobyn on Jun 10, 2021 16:00:14 GMT -6
I agree about Luke, BUT his body language during the scene was... IDK, icky? Like, his jealousy was obvious, and understandable, but it almost seemed like he was relishing June's discomfort. Or something. I agree, his body language changed so much during that scene. I did get the feeling that he either hated asking it of June since he knows she loves/loved Nick, and also wanted to hurt June emotionally in a way maybe for ruining his image of how Hannah was/lying at first. Oh gosh, I didn't feel the latter at all. I just thought he felt uncomfortable asking knowing their history, but he was smart enough to know that it was the best way to get Gilead intel on Hannah.
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Post by bobyn on Jun 10, 2021 16:00:43 GMT -6
I just don't see Luke being vindictive to June at all.
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Post by tgrimes on Jun 10, 2021 16:09:45 GMT -6
I just don't see Luke being vindictive to June at all. This. I think he was just really uncomfortable to ask her to see him knowing their history.
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Post by inthekitty on Jun 10, 2021 17:33:23 GMT -6
I think Luke knew that he was basically asking her to use Nick and that's what the conflicted piece was. Luke knows Nick isn't the "bad guy," but he's never met Nick so it's easy to view him as the problem. He also knows June cared/cares for Nick so he didn't want to put her in an awkward situation, but he knew using Nick would be the best way to get Hannah.
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Post by babybean on Jun 10, 2021 17:37:57 GMT -6
I agree, his body language changed so much during that scene. I did get the feeling that he either hated asking it of June since he knows she loves/loved Nick, and also wanted to hurt June emotionally in a way maybe for ruining his image of how Hannah was/lying at first. Oh gosh, I didn't feel the latter at all. I just thought he felt uncomfortable asking knowing their history, but he was smart enough to know that it was the best way to get Gilead intel on Hannah. Yeah I felt it was discomfort and hurt on his part. Telling June that he’s Nicole’s dad and to use her as a ‘tool’ to get more help is complicated too. The whole situation is fucked up and I can’t imagine living it. Luke’s doing better than I would is all I know lol.
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Post by babybean on Jun 10, 2021 17:38:55 GMT -6
I think Luke knew that he was basically asking her to use Nick and that's what the conflicted piece was. Luke knows Nick isn't the "bad guy," but he's never met Nick so it's easy to view him as the problem. He also knows June cared/cares for Nick so he didn't want to put her in an awkward situation, but he knew using Nick would be the best way to get Hannah. They met at the bar, remember? That doesn’t count as ‘knowing’ him and I agree with your thoughts.
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Post by bustedbiscuits on Jun 10, 2021 19:43:43 GMT -6
I agree, his body language changed so much during that scene. I did get the feeling that he either hated asking it of June since he knows she loves/loved Nick, and also wanted to hurt June emotionally in a way maybe for ruining his image of how Hannah was/lying at first. Oh gosh, I didn't feel the latter at all. I just thought he felt uncomfortable asking knowing their history, but he was smart enough to know that it was the best way to get Gilead intel on Hannah. I could be reading too much into it. It felt like he was hurting, wanted to do anything to get Hannah, and the tone when he brought up Nick felt like a "why didn't you think of this first" sort of tone.
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Post by beersandweirs on Jun 10, 2021 22:14:24 GMT -6
It felt like there was a lot to unpack here and not just in words, in body language. I felt sick to my stomach at the Luke part knowing how much it must be tearing him up inside to ask June to see Nick and use him to get Hannah back. I was very amazed at how well done that scene was.
I also had hope for June this episode. I thought her seeing Nick, them talking and him telling her to be happy would change things for the better but the ending sealed it. June is renewed with a fighting venegence. I hope something bad happens to Waterford. That is so messed up!!!
Janine and Ms. Keyes feel like they are going to spearhead the next revolt. Lydia is turning a blind eye to Janine but I don't remember why Janine is Lydia's favorite. Was it because she had 2 kids?
I agree about Luke, BUT his body language during the scene was... IDK, icky? Like, his jealousy was obvious, and understandable, but it almost seemed like he was relishing June's discomfort. Or something. I thought it was a little weird too. To me it almost felt like he was testing her to see if she wanted to see Nick.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Jun 10, 2021 23:22:13 GMT -6
It felt like there was a lot to unpack here and not just in words, in body language. I felt sick to my stomach at the Luke part knowing how much it must be tearing him up inside to ask June to see Nick and use him to get Hannah back. I was very amazed at how well done that scene was.
I also had hope for June this episode. I thought her seeing Nick, them talking and him telling her to be happy would change things for the better but the ending sealed it. June is renewed with a fighting venegence. I hope something bad happens to Waterford. That is so messed up!!!
Janine and Ms. Keyes feel like they are going to spearhead the next revolt. Lydia is turning a blind eye to Janine but I don't remember why Janine is Lydia's favorite. Was it because she had 2 kids?
I agree about Luke, BUT his body language during the scene was... IDK, icky? Like, his jealousy was obvious, and understandable, but it almost seemed like he was relishing June's discomfort. Or something. Yes. I now go back to not sure about Luke. He was very manipulative in that scene. I know he expressed pain but he just kept forcing her.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Jun 10, 2021 23:24:42 GMT -6
Sorry, but I still can’t get behind the “we know Luke is a good man”. Because we don’t
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Post by CeeBug on Jun 11, 2021 5:10:54 GMT -6
In earlier episodes, Luke kept saying that he doesn't know how to connect with June, how to give her what she wants/needs, or how to get her to open up. It was almost as if he was offering this meeting as a gift to her. That is why he wanted her to go alone, meet in person instead of a phone call, and have privacy from the police.
He knew she needed a positive connection with someone whom she loves. Maybe he knew Nick could give her those feelings that he couldn't give. Maybe he saw this as a way to curb her anger issues.
I also think that he is desperate to get Hannah out, too.
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Post by CeeBug on Jun 11, 2021 5:13:02 GMT -6
I also think part of the reason why we distrust Luke is because we have gone through this journey with June and have witnessed the abuse that she and other women have undergone by men.
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Post by CeeBug on Jun 11, 2021 5:19:30 GMT -6
Apparently I have a lot of thoughts this morning-
We could also look at Luke at manipulative. He thinks the only way to convince Nick is for June to use the only power that she has - her physical/ sexual connection with Nick. June seems miffed with Luke when he suggests it because he is viewing her as every other man does in Gilead. She is only a woman, so she only has sexual (or fertile) power.
This could go back to her concern about not being enough for Luke. He is only using her as a tool to get what he really wants which is his daughter. She could view his suggestion to take Nicole to see Nick as forcing Nicole to be another female tool to get what he wants. This also could imply that Hannah is more valuable/loved than Nicole.
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Post by iruntodrink on Jun 11, 2021 8:24:42 GMT -6
I also think part of the reason why we distrust Luke is because we have gone through this journey with June and have witnessed the abuse that she and other women have undergone by men. ding ding ding!
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 11, 2021 14:40:06 GMT -6
I agree about Luke, BUT his body language during the scene was... IDK, icky? Like, his jealousy was obvious, and understandable, but it almost seemed like he was relishing June's discomfort. Or something. I thought it was a little weird too. To me it almost felt like he was testing her to see if she wanted to see Nick. Yes, that's how it felt to me, too. I actually like Luke overall and think he has good intentions, but that was weird to me.
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Post by inthekitty on Jun 11, 2021 18:15:19 GMT -6
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Post by mothafuckinteatime on Jun 14, 2021 16:28:43 GMT -6
Hi, I just binged the whole show.
I thought that the scene where Luke asks June to see Nick was great but I definitely took it differently from some of you. I thought he was really wrestling with what asking her to see Nick meant. She told him on the tape that she loved Nick, so to me it seemed like he was wrestling with the implication of asking his wife to reunite with this other man she loved, in an effort to save Hannah. Like, if there was anything they could do EXCEPT send June back into the arms of Nick, this other man she loves, he absolutely would do that. Especially when they’ve been having such trouble reconnecting.
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Post by bobyn on Jun 15, 2021 9:11:42 GMT -6
mothafuckinteatime, you just binged all four seasons?! And have you crawled out of the depressive hole it left you in or are you still there?
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Post by sunnysideup on Jun 15, 2021 9:18:01 GMT -6
I saw a video recently where the person asked if it’s possible that Nichole is Fred’s daughter now that we know he can father children.
And I can’t stop thinking about it. No way, right? I’m so bad at remembering the time line of things.
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Post by babybean on Jun 15, 2021 9:20:14 GMT -6
I saw a video recently where the person asked if it’s possible that Nichole is Fred’s daughter now that we know he can father children. And I can’t stop thinking about it. No way, right? I’m so bad at remembering the time line of things. I’m really hoping they don’t go that route. It’ll make things unnecessarily complicated and messy. Things are complex enough as is.
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Post by mothafuckinteatime on Jun 15, 2021 9:59:12 GMT -6
I saw a video recently where the person asked if it’s possible that Nichole is Fred’s daughter now that we know he can father children. And I can’t stop thinking about it. No way, right? I’m so bad at remembering the time line of things. I think she probably is Fred’s, and they’ll use it as added motive for June to kill him. I could see him pushing for a paternity test and it setting things off in a big way.
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Post by mothafuckinteatime on Jun 15, 2021 10:01:43 GMT -6
mothafuckinteatime, you just binged all four seasons?! And have you crawled out of the depressive hole it left you in or are you still there? Haha, yea my H and I just finished them. I had seen season 1-half of 2 already and read the books. H was hesitant to watch even though I told him 100 times he’d love it. I will say the baby stuff in basically all of season 1 was difficult to watch so soon postpartum. But otherwise I’ve been fine. 😂
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 15, 2021 11:03:13 GMT -6
I saw a video recently where the person asked if it’s possible that Nichole is Fred’s daughter now that we know he can father children. And I can’t stop thinking about it. No way, right? I’m so bad at remembering the time line of things. Oh I think this is exactly what they were alluding to when that revelation came up. Yes, I think it's possible.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 15, 2021 11:06:51 GMT -6
mothafuckinteatime , you just binged all four seasons?! And have you crawled out of the depressive hole it left you in or are you still there? Haha, yea my H and I just finished them. I had seen season 1-half of 2 already and read the books. H was hesitant to watch even though I told him 100 times he’d love it. I will say the baby stuff in basically all of season 1 was difficult to watch so soon postpartum. But otherwise I’ve been fine. 😂 I watched season 1 when I was pregnant last time and it was rough.
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Post by bustedbiscuits on Jun 16, 2021 2:34:10 GMT -6
Holy shit. Nick and Lawrence really pulled through this episode. I was very surprised at how much they helped June get her revenge on Fred. I did not expect that at all. I really hope this will help June start down the path of healing now that she exacted justice against Fred in the only way she could since the system failed her.
In a way, I almost feel like Mark (the resistance/investigator) redeemed himself a little bit to me by playing into rescuing 22 women for Fred. I hope he was able to get all the information he needed that would be helpful to save more lives.
Now, I want to know what's next for Serena. I want her to get what's coming to her as well after all the pain she's caused.
The ending did confuse me a bit. Why is June asking for just 5 minutes? Why didn't she wash up before going home? Does this mean she has to leave to be on the run? How is anyone going to prove she killed Fred when he was put into custody of Gilaed? I feel so sad for June having to leave Nicole.
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Post by inthekitty on Jun 16, 2021 10:46:05 GMT -6
I share all of your thoughts bustedbiscuits. Wow. What an episode. I didn't get the ending either. It was weird and I'm wondering how that's going to pan out. It wouldn't make sense for June to have to be on the run since she wasn't officially in Gilead. It would mean all those women should be on the run too and I can't see them all giving up their lives for revenge on Fred. Hmm...I hope it doesn't go that direction. I've seen many comments on Reddit about June becoming just like all the evil people in Gilead and just as bad (I really don't think they get the show over there). I don't see it that way at all. She's not a sociopath victimizing random people, she's specifically focusing on those who caused great pain. I also hope she can start moving forward but of course she wants to burn it all down. She wants all women and children free. And I love that about her.
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