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Post by claudia on Apr 8, 2021 13:01:15 GMT -6
I too talk to children at events where I don't want to talk to the adults. The amount of times I've used my kid/and or other kids to be a buffer for my introverted self is not small Kids or dogs work really well for awkward situations. And I’m not even a major dog lover, but they work really well for that purpose.
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Post by STP on Apr 8, 2021 13:13:23 GMT -6
Maybe Kate and Meghan have very different parenting styles and had no interest in discussing it with each other. I could see Meghan being very crunchy attachement and Kate being very old school Sure but I’m the outcast of H’s family and I’ve held all the babies, bottle fed them, fussed over them, asked mom how’s she’s doing etc etc. I think it’s really weird to be at an event together and have no interaction. Especially with Kate seeming to be really into kids. No cooing at your nephew, even? Just seems like a deeper rift than different parenting styles. Edited to change words IDK. I think it fits the story this board likes, but I kind of agree that it isn't that deep most likely. And I love my nephew, but I'm not in contact with his parents and no, I wouldn't coo at him. It's not that dynamic. The problem is that the BRF didn't anticipate the visual, and that's just kind of lame at this point.
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Post by emma on Apr 8, 2021 13:16:31 GMT -6
I'm usually the person comforting the cat in the kitchen at parties. I don't like talking to adults or children, humans in general really
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Post by jorkzy on Apr 8, 2021 13:32:46 GMT -6
Are there pap or BRF-released pics of Harry holding George, Charlotte, or Louis, before or after he met Meghan? I can’t think of any that jump to mind, though I’m sure there are some.
Meghan herself said Kate isn’t the problem. She said it doesn’t have to be a her-or-me thing. She subtly said that yes Kate could have spoken up.
Why are we picking apart her relationship with her SIL and the kids? Where’s the uproar around H not being photographed much with the Cambridge kids? Just bc they’re women doesn’t mean they need to be besties or want to chase each others’ kids.
I guess I’m not following the relevance of this argument.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Apr 8, 2021 14:17:39 GMT -6
There aren’t enough engagements so we are just sitting around picking everything apart while we wait, I guess. Just call us the Daily Mail.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 8, 2021 14:25:34 GMT -6
You guys no one is picking apart their relationship, at least I am not. I AM SAYING that IF KATE had wanted to change the narrative she could have subtly with pictures of them out. NOT THAT SHE HAD TO OR THEY HAD TO BE BFFs
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Post by STP on Apr 8, 2021 14:28:22 GMT -6
You guys no one is picking apart their relationship, at least I am not. I AM SAYING that IF KATE had wanted to change the narrative she could have subtly with pictures of them out. NOT THAT SHE HAD TO OR THEY HAD TO BE BFFs Are you being singled out? It’s an overall conversation. That is yes, picking at minutiae.
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Post by STP on Apr 8, 2021 14:30:41 GMT -6
The amount of times I've used my kid/and or other kids to be a buffer for my introverted self is not small Kids or dogs work really well for awkward situations. And I’m not even a major dog lover, but they work really well for that purpose.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 8, 2021 14:31:37 GMT -6
Sure but I’m the outcast of H’s family and I’ve held all the babies, bottle fed them, fussed over them, asked mom how’s she’s doing etc etc. I think it’s really weird to be at an event together and have no interaction. Especially with Kate seeming to be really into kids. No cooing at your nephew, even? Just seems like a deeper rift than different parenting styles. Edited to change words IDK. I think it fits the story this board likes, but I kind of agree that it isn't that deep most likely. And I love my nephew, but I'm not in contact with his parents and no, I wouldn't coo at him. It's not that dynamic. The problem is that the BRF didn't anticipate the visual, and that's just kind of lame at this point. This board for as long as it has been around has been 10000% proKate. I will say again I have been called out MANY times for being a Kate hater and always bring race and competitions when people would talk about Meghan in a way that I felt had a way about it see her hair posts. I have been made to feel that if I even said I didn't like the way Kate wore something that people would say well of course you are anti Kate even though that is not the case. I am not anti Kate I followed Kate and Wills from the beginning. I was even leery at first of Meghan and called out things that she has said and done. I basically stopped posting here for awhile because it was the opposite of what it is now.
For the bujo I like both. I have a problem with the narrative not being changed and I think that Kate is in it deeper than many want to say and it rubs me a way that since I feel that way I have to defend myself. I think that she and Meghan got a long fine, but yes that last event showed maybe that wasn't the case and that is ok they don't have to get along and do each others nails.
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Post by STP on Apr 8, 2021 14:36:19 GMT -6
IDK. I think it fits the story this board likes, but I kind of agree that it isn't that deep most likely. And I love my nephew, but I'm not in contact with his parents and no, I wouldn't coo at him. It's not that dynamic. The problem is that the BRF didn't anticipate the visual, and that's just kind of lame at this point. This board for as long as it has been around has been 10000% proKate. I will say again I have been called out MANY times for being a Kate hater and always bring race and competitions when people would talk about Meghan in a way that I felt had a way about it see her hair posts. I have been made to feel that if I even said I didn't like the way Kate wore something that people would say well of course you are anti Kate even though that is not the case. I am not anti Kate I followed Kate and Wills from the beginning. I was even leery at first of Meghan and called out things that she has said and done. I basically stopped posting here for awhile because it was the opposite of what it is now.
For the bujo I like both. I have a problem with the narrative not being changed and I think that Kate is in it deeper than many want to say and it rubs me a way that since I feel that way I have to defend myself. I think that she and Meghan got a long fine, but yes that last event showed maybe that wasn't the case and that is ok they don't have to get along and do each others nails.
I’ll simply share that has not been my experience here.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 8, 2021 14:42:57 GMT -6
This board for as long as it has been around has been 10000% proKate. I will say again I have been called out MANY times for being a Kate hater and always bring race and competitions when people would talk about Meghan in a way that I felt had a way about it see her hair posts. I have been made to feel that if I even said I didn't like the way Kate wore something that people would say well of course you are anti Kate even though that is not the case. I am not anti Kate I followed Kate and Wills from the beginning. I was even leery at first of Meghan and called out things that she has said and done. I basically stopped posting here for awhile because it was the opposite of what it is now.
For the bujo I like both. I have a problem with the narrative not being changed and I think that Kate is in it deeper than many want to say and it rubs me a way that since I feel that way I have to defend myself. I think that she and Meghan got a long fine, but yes that last event showed maybe that wasn't the case and that is ok they don't have to get along and do each others nails.
I’ll simply share that has not been my experience here. Sorry you feel that way and hopefully others will say something else and if that is the case that it is anti Kate I apologize to others because that is not the case.
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Post by richard on Apr 8, 2021 14:45:08 GMT -6
IDK. I think it fits the story this board likes, but I kind of agree that it isn't that deep most likely. And I love my nephew, but I'm not in contact with his parents and no, I wouldn't coo at him. It's not that dynamic. The problem is that the BRF didn't anticipate the visual, and that's just kind of lame at this point. This board for as long as it has been around has been 10000% proKate. I will say again I have been called out MANY times for being a Kate hater and always bring race and competitions when people would talk about Meghan in a way that I felt had a way about it see her hair posts. I have been made to feel that if I even said I didn't like the way Kate wore something that people would say well of course you are anti Kate even though that is not the case. I am not anti Kate I followed Kate and Wills from the beginning. I was even leery at first of Meghan and called out things that she has said and done. I basically stopped posting here for awhile because it was the opposite of what it is now.
For the bujo I like both. I have a problem with the narrative not being changed and I think that Kate is in it deeper than many want to say and it rubs me a way that since I feel that way I have to defend myself. I think that she and Meghan got a long fine, but yes that last event showed maybe that wasn't the case and that is ok they don't have to get along and do each others nails.
The narrative in this thread has definitely become more thoughtful about Meghan's experience as WOC and somewhat more critical of Kate's perceived standing-by or even benefiting but that is definitely, definitely a change from where it started. And that's not a criticism of the thread in general - I also like a fashion/tiara show and watching The Crown and indulging in the gossip. I'm glad that it has evolved to include more than that personally.
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Post by claudia on Apr 8, 2021 14:46:07 GMT -6
IDK. I think it fits the story this board likes, but I kind of agree that it isn't that deep most likely. And I love my nephew, but I'm not in contact with his parents and no, I wouldn't coo at him. It's not that dynamic. The problem is that the BRF didn't anticipate the visual, and that's just kind of lame at this point. This board for as long as it has been around has been 10000% proKate. I will say again I have been called out MANY times for being a Kate hater and always bring race and competitions when people would talk about Meghan in a way that I felt had a way about it see her hair posts. I have been made to feel that if I even said I didn't like the way Kate wore something that people would say well of course you are anti Kate even though that is not the case. I am not anti Kate I followed Kate and Wills from the beginning. I was even leery at first of Meghan and called out things that she has said and done. I basically stopped posting here for awhile because it was the opposite of what it is now.
For the bujo I like both. I have a problem with the narrative not being changed and I think that Kate is in it deeper than many want to say and it rubs me a way that since I feel that way I have to defend myself. I think that she and Meghan got a long fine, but yes that last event showed maybe that wasn't the case and that is ok they don't have to get along and do each others nails.
Absolutely. I think lately the narrative has shifted to be more pro-Meghan, but I stopped posting in this thread for a long time because I was tired of being told any criticism of Kate was misogyny, being called Waity Katie is just as bad as your biracial newborn being depicted as a chimp, and a thousand other things. It was never everyone in the thread, but it happened by more than one poster. I remember specifically people saying "Other than the racist stuff, Kate had it much harder" as if "the racist stuff" was a minor afterthought. Lately, especially since the Oprah interview, I do think the thread tends to be much more pro-Meghan and harder on Kate, but for a long time, that was not the case at all.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 8, 2021 14:50:42 GMT -6
This board for as long as it has been around has been 10000% proKate. I will say again I have been called out MANY times for being a Kate hater and always bring race and competitions when people would talk about Meghan in a way that I felt had a way about it see her hair posts. I have been made to feel that if I even said I didn't like the way Kate wore something that people would say well of course you are anti Kate even though that is not the case. I am not anti Kate I followed Kate and Wills from the beginning. I was even leery at first of Meghan and called out things that she has said and done. I basically stopped posting here for awhile because it was the opposite of what it is now.
For the bujo I like both. I have a problem with the narrative not being changed and I think that Kate is in it deeper than many want to say and it rubs me a way that since I feel that way I have to defend myself. I think that she and Meghan got a long fine, but yes that last event showed maybe that wasn't the case and that is ok they don't have to get along and do each others nails.
Absolutely. I think lately the narrative has shifted to be more pro-Meghan, but I stopped posting in this thread for a long time because I was tired of being told any criticism of Kate was misogyny, being called Waity Katie is just as bad as your biracial newborn being depicted as a chimp, and a thousand other things. It was never everyone in the thread, but it happened by more than one poster. I remember specifically people saying "Other than the racist stuff, Kate had it much harder" as if "the racist stuff" was a minor afterthought. Lately, especially since the Oprah interview, I do think the thread tends to be much more pro-Meghan and harder on Kate, but for a long time, that was not the case at all. Yes. I remember the day I got told I bring race into everything and it was during another conversation about Meghan's messy hair and I looked at my own Biracial daughter who will always be told her hair is messy and I was done for a while here.
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Post by claudia on Apr 8, 2021 14:53:09 GMT -6
Absolutely. I think lately the narrative has shifted to be more pro-Meghan, but I stopped posting in this thread for a long time because I was tired of being told any criticism of Kate was misogyny, being called Waity Katie is just as bad as your biracial newborn being depicted as a chimp, and a thousand other things. It was never everyone in the thread, but it happened by more than one poster. I remember specifically people saying "Other than the racist stuff, Kate had it much harder" as if "the racist stuff" was a minor afterthought. Lately, especially since the Oprah interview, I do think the thread tends to be much more pro-Meghan and harder on Kate, but for a long time, that was not the case at all. Yes. I remember the day I got told I bring race into everything and it was during another conversation about Meghan's messy hair and I looked at my own Biracial daughter who will always be told her hair is messy and I was done for a while here. I'm sorry that happened. I don't think I was the one that said that, but you definitely opened my eyes when I would initially critique Meghan's hair as part of her outfit choices.
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Post by STP on Apr 8, 2021 14:55:30 GMT -6
I have been reading here since well before the Oprah interview. I see both "sides" having been very vocal and very quick to correct each other and everyone else, and it's been that way since...always. That's fine, that's the dynamic. It's part of the fun.
But no, as an outsider who really rarely participates, it doesn't read the way some of you are thinking it does.
Also, this really isn't about Kate. I don't know Kate. I don't care about Kate. I think Kate has seriously fucked up on the issue of racism in the BRF. Kate can listen and learn until she's queen, she still has a lot to answer for.
It's just sometimes not fun to post here because even mild comments are argued with for seemingly not being hard enough on whichever side the caller outer is on. I usually don't bother. But the reading into an absence of a certain kind of picture just felt weird to me.
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Post by STP on Apr 8, 2021 14:55:48 GMT -6
Absolutely. I think lately the narrative has shifted to be more pro-Meghan, but I stopped posting in this thread for a long time because I was tired of being told any criticism of Kate was misogyny, being called Waity Katie is just as bad as your biracial newborn being depicted as a chimp, and a thousand other things. It was never everyone in the thread, but it happened by more than one poster. I remember specifically people saying "Other than the racist stuff, Kate had it much harder" as if "the racist stuff" was a minor afterthought. Lately, especially since the Oprah interview, I do think the thread tends to be much more pro-Meghan and harder on Kate, but for a long time, that was not the case at all. Yes. I remember the day I got told I bring race into everything and it was during another conversation about Meghan's messy hair and I looked at my own Biracial daughter who will always be told her hair is messy and I was done for a while here. And that's deeply shitty. Of course.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 14:56:26 GMT -6
This board for as long as it has been around has been 10000% proKate. I will say again I have been called out MANY times for being a Kate hater and always bring race and competitions when people would talk about Meghan in a way that I felt had a way about it see her hair posts. I have been made to feel that if I even said I didn't like the way Kate wore something that people would say well of course you are anti Kate even though that is not the case. I am not anti Kate I followed Kate and Wills from the beginning. I was even leery at first of Meghan and called out things that she has said and done. I basically stopped posting here for awhile because it was the opposite of what it is now.
For the bujo I like both. I have a problem with the narrative not being changed and I think that Kate is in it deeper than many want to say and it rubs me a way that since I feel that way I have to defend myself. I think that she and Meghan got a long fine, but yes that last event showed maybe that wasn't the case and that is ok they don't have to get along and do each others nails.
Absolutely. I think lately the narrative has shifted to be more pro-Meghan, but I stopped posting in this thread for a long time because I was tired of being told any criticism of Kate was misogyny, being called Waity Katie is just as bad as your biracial newborn being depicted as a chimp, and a thousand other things. It was never everyone in the thread, but it happened by more than one poster. I remember specifically people saying "Other than the racist stuff, Kate had it much harder" as if "the racist stuff" was a minor afterthought. Lately, especially since the Oprah interview, I do think the thread tends to be much more pro-Meghan and harder on Kate, but for a long time, that was not the case at all. But it’s still happening in this conversation where we’re saying “there seems to be a rift that Kate didn’t really try to fix” and people are taking it as “you are saying Kate is an awful person?!?” And I’m very confused John Travolta and understand why angelashly has tapped out of the thread before.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 8, 2021 14:56:33 GMT -6
There was even talk about meghan’s butt at one point and woof I remember being all you have no idea honey and being told I criticize Kate so...
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Post by STP on Apr 8, 2021 14:57:17 GMT -6
Absolutely. I think lately the narrative has shifted to be more pro-Meghan, but I stopped posting in this thread for a long time because I was tired of being told any criticism of Kate was misogyny, being called Waity Katie is just as bad as your biracial newborn being depicted as a chimp, and a thousand other things. It was never everyone in the thread, but it happened by more than one poster. I remember specifically people saying "Other than the racist stuff, Kate had it much harder" as if "the racist stuff" was a minor afterthought. Lately, especially since the Oprah interview, I do think the thread tends to be much more pro-Meghan and harder on Kate, but for a long time, that was not the case at all. But it’s still happening in this conversation where we’re saying “there seems to be a rift that Kate didn’t really try to fix” and people are taking it as “you are saying Kate is an awful person?!?” And I’m very confused John Travolta and understand why angelashly has tapped out of the thread before. Who is taking it as someone saying Kate is an awful person? Where is this extreme? If it's there, then yeah, that's silly. I see people saying "meh, I don't agree with that interpretation." Followed by "I didn't say she should die or anything?!" It's very odd.
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Post by jaidit on Apr 8, 2021 15:00:49 GMT -6
I think it’s possible that, in the beginning, Kate was nice to Meghan’s face and gossiped behind her back. Are u you the one who knows some tea, or am I thinking of Taitai? Spill it... I knew about wills affair but don’t know about kate and Meghan.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 15:01:13 GMT -6
Is there a planet in retrograde or something? I feel like people are reading completely different words lately.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 8, 2021 15:02:23 GMT -6
I really don’t want people to not want to post here so if we stick to fashion I’m obviously fine with that
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Post by angelashly on Apr 8, 2021 15:03:11 GMT -6
Is there a planet in retrograde or something? I feel like people are reading completely different words lately. I do think today board is different from even a year ago but still
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Post by ouijabored on Apr 8, 2021 15:05:37 GMT -6
You guys no one is picking apart their relationship, at least I am not. I AM SAYING that IF KATE had wanted to change the narrative she could have subtly with pictures of them out. NOT THAT SHE HAD TO OR THEY HAD TO BE BFFs Exactly, similar to her visit to Sarah Everard’s vigil. I think that’s how we originally got on this topic, lol.
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Post by jorkzy on Apr 8, 2021 15:16:23 GMT -6
I didn’t mean that anyone is being shitty. It was more musing about perceived gender roles and expectations that seem to be there for Kate and Meghan that don’t seem to be there for Harry and Wills re :interaction with nieces and nephews.
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Post by beesquared on Apr 8, 2021 15:18:33 GMT -6
Coming in late and trying to catch up. I think there is a difference between being a good person and not being actively a bad person. Just like there is a difference between not being racist and being actively anti-racist.
***To me*** Kate comes off as not actively being a bad person. She is like every other privileged white girl I went to Day School and University with. Perfectly fine in the day to day, but willfully obtuse about what is happening around them. They don’t get their hands dirty themselves, but they also don’t step in when they can to avoid any discomfort. If Kate looks too closely at her role in all of this then she will have to confront some uncomfortable truths about herself. It’s doubtful she will do the hard work. The majority of white women don’t. It’s not about being shallow it’s about not disrupting a system that is set up largely to protect them.
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Post by elle on Apr 8, 2021 15:19:42 GMT -6
Is there a planet in retrograde or something? I feel like people are reading completely different words lately. No clue but something is definitely making things prone to going sideways.
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Post by oreobitsy on Apr 8, 2021 15:20:16 GMT -6
I really don’t want people to not want to post here so if we stick to fashion I’m obviously fine with that I appreciate these conversations, even if I’m not actively posting along. There have been points made it the past that have made me stop to think about the whole picture beyond just surface-level fashion critiques.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 8, 2021 15:22:57 GMT -6
Coming in late and trying to catch up. I think there is a difference between being a good person and not being actively a bad person. Just like there is a difference between not being racist and being actively anti-racist. ***To me*** Kate comes off as not actively being a bad person. She is like every other privileged white girl I went to Day School and University with. Perfectly fine in the day to day, but willfully obtuse about what is happening around them. They don’t get their hands dirty themselves, but they also don’t step in when they can to avoid any discomfort. If Kate looks too closely at her role in all of this then she will have to confront some uncomfortable truths about herself. It’s doubtful she will do the hard work. The majority of white women don’t. It’s not about being shallow it’s about not disrupting a system that is set up largely to protect them. Exactly My sister’s stepmother in law is a nice person had been to me and my family and bends over backwards for my sister and brother in law. She is also a trump supporter who I had to stop following during the George Floyd protests because of what she was posting
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