addymac
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Post by addymac on Jan 24, 2021 19:09:23 GMT -6
Yep. More info from Johns Hopkins: /?d=n
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piratecat
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Post by piratecat on Jan 24, 2021 22:48:28 GMT -6
Agreed. I think we’re all talking about 2 different things, unless I’m misunderstanding. It does not necessarily lower transmission. It does lower infection by prevention. This discussion started because someone said they feel guilty going to the gym even though they're vaccinated. And I said they shouldn't feel guilty because they're taking steps to protect themselves and others. And then you went on to say those with vaccines "are essentially spreading covid asymptomatically" and that's what myself and others are disagreeing with you on. It's preventing infection, at a 95% rate. Yes, the person going to the gym could be the 5% but if she also wears her mask, distances and washes her hands, going to thr gym isn't something I'm wagging my finger at anymore once someone is properly vaccinated. I can see the whole feeling guilty part because right now getting vaccinated is something of a privilege. And also, unless you are an elderly person, presumably you got the vaccine because you are at higher risk due to exposure and you’re regularly dealing with the public. So even if we were only talking about the 5% chance of someone getting COVID and spreading it to others, 5% for a HCW who has relatively high COVID exposure and plus also is seeing many patients every day is much much different than 5% for an average Joe. They’re getting vaccinated first to protect them and others, not necessarily so that they can resume normal life before the rest of us. I feel like that kind of defeats the purpose.
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Post by flippinchica on Jan 25, 2021 16:44:00 GMT -6
I thought to be fully vaccinated you need the 2 doses? And you can still catch covid-19 anyway just less of a chance? I assumed that the OP had both doses. And yes, as with any vaccine, there is a chance you can still catch it. The clinical trials put the efficacy rate around 95% chance at preventing it, I think, so a small chance; but still a chance. Yes I had the 2nd dose on the 11th so I definitely would not go before 2 weeks from the 2nd dose. So the risk of infection and likey transmission (but not certainty) is lower but nothing is 100%. I work in direct patient contact so we received it though out hospital.
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Post by flippinchica on Jan 25, 2021 16:47:36 GMT -6
This discussion started because someone said they feel guilty going to the gym even though they're vaccinated. And I said they shouldn't feel guilty because they're taking steps to protect themselves and others. And then you went on to say those with vaccines 9"are essentially spreading covid asymptomatically" and that's what myself and others are disagreeing with you on. It's preventing infection, at a 95% rate. Yes, the person going to the gym could be the 5% but if she also wears her mask, distances and washes her hands, going to thr gym isn't something I'm wagging my finger at anymore once someone is properly vaccinated. I can see the whole feeling guilty part because right now getting vaccinated is something of a privilege. And also, unless you are an elderly person, presumably you got the vaccine because you are at higher risk due to exposure and you’re regularly dealing with the public. So even if we were only talking about the 5% chance of someone getting COVID and spreading it to others, 5% for a HCW who has relatively high COVID exposure and plus also is seeing many patients every day is much much different than 5% for an average Joe. They’re getting vaccinated first to protect them and others, not necessarily so that they can resume normal life before the rest of us. I feel like that kind of defeats the purpose. Exactly piratecat, thank you for articulating my thoughts better than me. This is why I haven't done it but it is tempting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 17:19:51 GMT -6
I can see the whole feeling guilty part because right now getting vaccinated is something of a privilege. And also, unless you are an elderly person, presumably you got the vaccine because you are at higher risk due to exposure and you’re regularly dealing with the public. So even if we were only talking about the 5% chance of someone getting COVID and spreading it to others, 5% for a HCW who has relatively high COVID exposure and plus also is seeing many patients every day is much much different than 5% for an average Joe. They’re getting vaccinated first to protect them and others, not necessarily so that they can resume normal life before the rest of us. I feel like that kind of defeats the purpose. Exactly piratecat, thank you for articulating my thoughts better than me. This is why I haven't done it but it is tempting. Well you get no finger wagging from me if you do. You can easily socially distance at the gym and wash hands. And wear a mask depending on the activity. Plus vaccine. I don't think we've heard about any gym super spreader events.
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