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Jan 21, 2021 10:33:32 GMT -6
Post by pearbear on Jan 21, 2021 10:33:32 GMT -6
I think that’s okay. I get it. He’s got a lot of qualities I loathe. Most politicians on the left have that. They have that thing they did that it’s terrible but we sort of just move it along sometimes. I get it. I mean Obama called BLM protestors thugs once upon a time. I consider that very problematic.plus all the deportations that happened during his presidency. It affected my family a lot. I have complicated feels about him in general. But I still like and respect him. I try to keep seeing the good he’s done. One thing I will say, is both the left and rignt are guilty of putting politicians on pedestals and that ends up bad most of the time. See, that's kind of my frustration with him though. He does that. And his followers - which IDC what people say, he has a hand in their rhetoric same as Trump has with his horde - are absurd in their absolute demand for perfection. They venerated AOC only to turn on her on a dime bc she stated a willingness to work with Biden. It's gross and there is a lot of misogyny/racism blatantly clear in it. I know, we don't need to argue about Bernie. But if we're talking about the infantilizing of Bush, I see it with Sanders as well. Because he's grumpy and rumpled, we overlook at lot of really deep issues in his talk and frankly lack of real action. I personally have zero expectations of perfection, and that is exactly where I find him infuriating. He's never let real progress stand in the way of his idealized vision. I find Bernie to be sexist as hell and will never get over that with him.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:35:10 GMT -6
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Post by miawallace on Jan 21, 2021 10:35:10 GMT -6
no actually you bring up a good point and comparison. It’s true. Like if a woman were to be that dumb and grumpy it would be all over and looked upon as the worst quality.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:35:25 GMT -6
Post by pearbear on Jan 21, 2021 10:35:25 GMT -6
I completely disagree but this is the UO thread after all lol. I think there were on the fence people who were swayed by the covid direction. Followers be following but not every trump voter was a follower either. What made Trump lose was voters who never thought they had a voice realizing they do and voting because of policy and the racial injustice happening. People on the fence didn’t vote Biden because Covid Yes, this!
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Jan 21, 2021 10:35:32 GMT -6
Post by McBenny on Jan 21, 2021 10:35:32 GMT -6
I completely disagree but this is the UO thread after all lol. I think there were on the fence people who were swayed by the covid direction. Followers be following but not every trump voter was a follower either. What made Trump lose was voters who never thought they had a voice realizing they do and voting because of policy and the racial injustice happening. People on the fence didn’t vote Biden because Covid Let's not lose sight of the fact that he didn't lose by a landslide.
At all.
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Post by STP on Jan 21, 2021 10:36:52 GMT -6
no actually you bring up a good point and comparison. It’s true. Like if a woman were to be that dumb and grumpy it would be all over and looked upon as the worst quality. Imagine Warren showing up in the same outfit and with the same body language. It frustrates me, I can’t help it.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:40:56 GMT -6
Post by McBenny on Jan 21, 2021 10:40:56 GMT -6
I don't think COVID hurt 45 at all. He told his minions it wasn't that serious and they ran with that.
At least in my area.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:41:14 GMT -6
Post by downwarddog on Jan 21, 2021 10:41:14 GMT -6
I'm from Wisconsin, where bloody Marys are basically a food group. Although we do basically put an entire salad in them, so....
Now this thread has made me want a bloody mary.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:41:32 GMT -6
Post by McBenny on Jan 21, 2021 10:41:32 GMT -6
Covid was not his downfall in my opinion It was the icing on the cake but his followers believe his covid nonsense I completely disagree but this is the UO thread after all lol. I think there were on the fence people who were swayed by the covid direction. Followers be following but not every trump voter was a follower either. Maybe not every Trump voted was a follower but I strongly feel every Trump voter is racist.
And yes, I have told them and have severed all ties.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:42:04 GMT -6
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Post by icedcoffee on Jan 21, 2021 10:42:04 GMT -6
Bloody Mary's that are basically a full meal. Why? Like what started that? Lol
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Post by STP on Jan 21, 2021 10:42:56 GMT -6
Overlooking racism is racist.
Ergo, if you voted for Trump, you are a racist.
It’s that simple.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:43:00 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 10:43:00 GMT -6
I completely disagree but this is the UO thread after all lol. I think there were on the fence people who were swayed by the covid direction. Followers be following but not every trump voter was a follower either. Maybe not every Trump voted was a follower but I strongly feel every Trump voter is racist.
And yes, I have told them and have severed all ties.
Yes, understandable. My point was what made him lose and I feel it was covid. If not for covid, he would have won a second term. Just my opinion of course and what I've witnessed and experienced from those around me.
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Post by STP on Jan 21, 2021 10:43:10 GMT -6
Bloody Mary's that are basically a full meal. Why? Like what started that? Lol Hipsters
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Jan 21, 2021 10:43:14 GMT -6
Post by McBenny on Jan 21, 2021 10:43:14 GMT -6
I just told someone last night that in regards with politics I am beyond over what anyone wore or wears. I also would never have this conversation in mixed company (meaning men) about what any of the women wore.
FOR ME
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Post by STP on Jan 21, 2021 10:44:35 GMT -6
Trump lost In 2016 too. I think more white people bothered to do their do duty in a few areas this time to push it over.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:44:50 GMT -6
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Post by rvasc on Jan 21, 2021 10:44:50 GMT -6
I am so upset by the art hate in here.
I have so much more to say. I need to gather myself.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:45:21 GMT -6
Post by McBenny on Jan 21, 2021 10:45:21 GMT -6
Maybe not every Trump voted was a follower but I strongly feel every Trump voter is racist.
And yes, I have told them and have severed all ties.
Yes, understandable. My point was what made him lose and I feel it was covid. If not for covid, he would have won a second term. Just my opinion of course and what I've witnessed and experienced from those around me. My point still stands - I don't agree COVID caused him to lose.
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Post by justbecause on Jan 21, 2021 10:45:57 GMT -6
I just told someone last night that in regards with politics I am beyond over what anyone wore or wears. I also would never have this conversation in mixed company (meaning men) about what any of the women wore. FOR ME I was watching the inauguration and wondered when it became a fashion thing like red carpet?
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Jan 21, 2021 10:46:34 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 10:46:34 GMT -6
Yes, understandable. My point was what made him lose and I feel it was covid. If not for covid, he would have won a second term. Just my opinion of course and what I've witnessed and experienced from those around me. My point still stands - I don't agree COVID caused him to lose.
Yes I get that. We will agree to disagree 🙂
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Jan 21, 2021 10:47:43 GMT -6
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Post by miawallace on Jan 21, 2021 10:47:43 GMT -6
Trump lost because of all the voter suppression that has been slowly been dealt with. If not, you bet your ass we’d have a second term with trump. They want to keep black communities from voting because they know what the results would be. Let’s not make it about where people realized how much Covid sucks. Please
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Jan 21, 2021 10:51:20 GMT -6
Post by McBenny on Jan 21, 2021 10:51:20 GMT -6
In my area voter suppression was not dealt with and was increased this last election.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:52:20 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 10:52:20 GMT -6
Why would Covid have been the cause of his loss? if anything, it worked in his favor. Republicans are pissed about the Covid restrictions/masks and they blame that on the democrats.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:54:23 GMT -6
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jan 21, 2021 10:54:23 GMT -6
The people who show up to the gym in chucks. why? I think they're supposed to be really good for lifting weights with their flat, thin soles. Lots of people wear them. I hate them as a ref because feet have to be flat and the sole isn't perfectly flat on them and it annoys me.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:55:24 GMT -6
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jan 21, 2021 10:55:24 GMT -6
Same. Not my thing. I do not like red beers either. I don't need the vitamins from V8 in my beer. WHAT. THE. FUCK. Please tell me you mean you don't like red ales and that someone did not mix V8 and fucking beer. omg. Bless your heart. H likes using spicy V8 juice. It will be cited as an irreconcilable difference if needed.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:55:55 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 10:55:55 GMT -6
IMO Trump lost because people were tired of the drama and divisiveness he caused. Biden is like the Presidential equivalent of Mr. Rogers and I think after 4 years of Trump that was extremely appealing to a lot of people. It also helps that Biden is fairly moderate as well.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:56:07 GMT -6
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Post by goldenbird on Jan 21, 2021 10:56:07 GMT -6
The People for Bernie FB has 80 memes of him and they are gold.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:57:04 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 10:57:04 GMT -6
Why would Covid have been the cause of his loss? if anything, it worked in his favor. Republicans are pissed about the Covid restrictions/masks and they blame that on the democrats. I think there were plenty of Republicans who were pissed about his response. Especially those affected by covid.
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Post by STP on Jan 21, 2021 11:00:32 GMT -6
Do I think covid may have swayed some people? Eh sure.
I think his losing was banquet of factors though.
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Jan 21, 2021 11:01:24 GMT -6
Post by angelashly on Jan 21, 2021 11:01:24 GMT -6
What made Trump lose was voters who never thought they had a voice realizing they do and voting because of policy and the racial injustice happening. People on the fence didn’t vote Biden because Covid Let's not lose sight of the fact that he didn't lose by a landslide.
At all.
Exactly. We had to wait days and have recounts because of how close it was.
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Jan 21, 2021 11:01:51 GMT -6
Post by Rusty Red on Jan 21, 2021 11:01:51 GMT -6
I'm a firm no on the loving Bush.
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Jan 21, 2021 11:01:54 GMT -6
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Post by goldenbird on Jan 21, 2021 11:01:54 GMT -6
BIPOC voters saved us. Without them voting, we would have another four years of Trump. It was their votes turning the states blue and getting enough EC votes. Which fuck the electoral college, again.
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