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Post by sassafras83 on Jan 4, 2021 18:23:14 GMT -6
We are in a deep spiral here right now I am down to only doing store pick up or delivery again, especially since H is immunocompromised. www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-04/los-angeles-hospitals-cannot-keep-up-covid-19-surge-illnessHad 4 different people at my work test positive in the last week (I am WFH since March, but some people choose to go into the office still). One coworker that goes in person flew to TX for Christmas and was back in the office the day after he got home . Management was aware. People also don’t take the mask mandate in the office seriously. I was running in occasionally to grab things, but no more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 18:33:37 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure lack of nurses is a problem here. I saw an article saying they are hiring traveling nurses and willing to pay like $4K/week or something. I don't think the nurses already working there are getting nearly that... This is 100% the problem in nursing. That is happening everywhere. Nurses hear about these travel jobs when we're making shit at our real jobs, then we quit to travel, then home base is understaffed and hires travel nurses to fill gaps, repeat over and over. We just lost all our night shift to travel, and as a result we have 80% travel nurses at night. Then we get pissed that they are making double or triple what we're making, and many of them are EXTREMELY subpar. It sucks. Throw some money at us, yo! I missed if this was in regards to vaccine distribution but we are relying heavily on pharmacists for that in my area.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 18:37:19 GMT -6
Texas and CA are travel nurse meccas right now. I'm eligible to travel starting in May and I'm so tempted to take a summer assignment and move somewhere for the summer with my family.
ETA: I underestimated the pay. I make less than $1K a week in my current job. I could travel and make $4-7K a week, plus a stipend for housing. Many nurses are accepting jobs within commuteable distances and pocketing the stipend on top of that. It's... really fucking tempting.
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Post by sakura on Jan 4, 2021 20:04:11 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure lack of nurses is a problem here. I saw an article saying they are hiring traveling nurses and willing to pay like $4K/week or something. I don't think the nurses already working there are getting nearly that... The amount they’re paying nurses here to work vaccination clinics is a good $10-$15/hour more than I make on the floor
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 20:38:41 GMT -6
Turns out I can talk about travel nursing for a really long time. Sorry for rambling.
But the funny thing is it's not nursing shortage related. I wouldn't necessarily say there's a nursing shortage here. But there IS a critical care nursing shortage, mainly for the reasons I mentioned above. And sure, we can hire nurses from another specialty, but there's a huge HR process and then they have to orient for 8 weeks before they can work on their own. Travel nurses are hired fast and hit the ground running within a week of arrival. It's a short-term solution to a long-term problem.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 4, 2021 20:43:33 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure lack of nurses is a problem here. I saw an article saying they are hiring traveling nurses and willing to pay like $4K/week or something. I don't think the nurses already working there are getting nearly that... The amount they’re paying nurses here to work vaccination clinics is a good $10-$15/hour more than I make on the floor That’s so frustrating!
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 4, 2021 20:44:10 GMT -6
I was able to reschedule my covid vaccine for 2 pm Wednesday. Thank goodness!
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Post by lemons on Jan 4, 2021 21:29:57 GMT -6
We are starting to experience a nursing shortage issue. Some is due to nurses leaving to travel and get paid big money. I don’t blame that at all. Shit is messy and just getting messier.
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Post by lemons on Jan 4, 2021 21:34:18 GMT -6
Texas and CA are travel nurse meccas right now. I'm eligible to travel starting in May and I'm so tempted to take a summer assignment and move somewhere for the summer with my family. ETA: I underestimated the pay. I make less than $1K a week in my current job. I could travel and make $4-7K a week, plus a stipend for housing. Many nurses are accepting jobs within commuteable distances and pocketing the stipend on top of that. It's... really fucking tempting. 8k for 5 shifts. Byyyyyye.* *not me, but those willing and able.
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Post by lemons on Jan 4, 2021 21:36:34 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure lack of nurses is a problem here. I saw an article saying they are hiring traveling nurses and willing to pay like $4K/week or something. I don't think the nurses already working there are getting nearly that... The amount they’re paying nurses here to work vaccination clinics is a good $10-$15/hour more than I make on the floor This doesn’t even make sense?
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Post by addymac on Jan 4, 2021 22:13:10 GMT -6
Texas and CA are travel nurse meccas right now. I'm eligible to travel starting in May and I'm so tempted to take a summer assignment and move somewhere for the summer with my family. ETA: I underestimated the pay. I make less than $1K a week in my current job. I could travel and make $4-7K a week, plus a stipend for housing. Many nurses are accepting jobs within commuteable distances and pocketing the stipend on top of that. It's... really fucking tempting. 8k for 5 shifts. Byyyyyye.* *not me, but those willing and able. Seriously. I should have done a year or two of travel nursing before having a kid and I’d have fucking BANK. It’s insane.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 22:14:49 GMT -6
Texas and CA are travel nurse meccas right now. I'm eligible to travel starting in May and I'm so tempted to take a summer assignment and move somewhere for the summer with my family. ETA: I underestimated the pay. I make less than $1K a week in my current job. I could travel and make $4-7K a week, plus a stipend for housing. Many nurses are accepting jobs within commuteable distances and pocketing the stipend on top of that. It's... really fucking tempting. 8k for 5 shifts. Byyyyyye.* *not me, but those willing and able. 5 shifts? Are you on 8s? That's 3 shifts on 12s!
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Post by donnameagle on Jan 5, 2021 7:38:17 GMT -6
I know this because H tried to book a hotel for him and DD1 to go skiing this weekend, and his request automatically got cancelled due to Newsom's order. He was able to book an Airbnb, though. Back when FL was bring strict - ya know those couple of days, lol - only essential travel was allowed to book. In some of our properties that was nurses, doctors, social workers, some gov (like the people who maintain the plants/factories/bootcamps etc) and surprisingly - airlines. They had to bring is mass amounts of airline mechanics to go to the airport and simulate the planes as if they were flying to keep them up. It required way more mechanics to keep grounded planes working than when they flew. The more you know.
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Post by beepers on Jan 5, 2021 10:13:31 GMT -6
So I got my first vaccine dose today, about 90 minutes ago. I could have gotten it sooner but wanted more data on the allergy issue (I have hx of food/drug/environmental allergies but don’t see an allergist).
The reason I went today was because it’s the last chance to get vaccinated at the hospital as we are transitioning it to outpatient sites from now on.
I took one of my docs with me for moral support and I’m glad I did. I immediately felt warm and my HR shot way up. Then every 5 minutes I’d feel dizzy, kind of out of it and just “bad”. But no airway issues and no swelling anywhere. Now the waves are about every 30 min and I’m hot/chilled. So. Yay I have a robust immune system!!
I say all this because yeah it’s a little scary to have the unknown. Recent NEJM article states the documented serious allergy is about 10x higher with Covid vaccine than all other vaccines. But. I did it. And I’m ok.
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Post by mb3 on Jan 5, 2021 10:20:42 GMT -6
I missed my vaccine appointment on Saturday (I know... dumb, and unlike me, but pregnancy brain, I guess), and now there are no appointments available when I try to schedule (they did send me a scheduling ticket). I will keep trying, but I am a little worried about that. For us they are opening new rounds of clinics every few weeks as they get more shipments. You can’t reschedule in the your original round without major hoops but you can for future. Maybe ask if they know when new sessions will open?
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Post by mb3 on Jan 5, 2021 10:27:33 GMT -6
I am hoping that when the presidential administration changes over in a couple of weeks we get some organization and ramp up vax programs. I know it won’t happen overnight but maybe this spring. They need to hire people trained to give shots. Which takes $ for pay Plus training. And more ppe. If they could get all the nursing students nationwide in on this, they usually are taught how to wear ppe, hand hygiene, hippa stuffs, and how to give shots in block 1. They arent certified in anything yet but if they counted it towars clinical hours they might not even have to pay them. Probably in school emts and paramedics too. I....do not want a nursing student reconstituting this vaccine and administering it to me. No way, no how.
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Post by rosalind on Jan 5, 2021 10:31:22 GMT -6
They need to hire people trained to give shots. Which takes $ for pay Plus training. And more ppe. If they could get all the nursing students nationwide in on this, they usually are taught how to wear ppe, hand hygiene, hippa stuffs, and how to give shots in block 1. They arent certified in anything yet but if they counted it towars clinical hours they might not even have to pay them. Probably in school emts and paramedics too. I....do not want a nursing student reconstituting this vaccine and administering it to me. No way, no how. Yeah. Lots of pharmacies have this vaccine on lockdown like a controlled substance. Especially with the pharmacist who purposefully ruined a bunch.
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Post by AmyG on Jan 5, 2021 10:34:08 GMT -6
They need to hire people trained to give shots. Which takes $ for pay Plus training. And more ppe. If they could get all the nursing students nationwide in on this, they usually are taught how to wear ppe, hand hygiene, hippa stuffs, and how to give shots in block 1. They arent certified in anything yet but if they counted it towars clinical hours they might not even have to pay them. Probably in school emts and paramedics too. I....do not want a nursing student reconstituting this vaccine and administering it to me. No way, no how. It takes 5 minutes to train someone to give a shot Nursing students train and practice way longer than that thru block 1 before allowed to do it during clinicals.
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Post by jt2378 on Jan 5, 2021 10:35:17 GMT -6
So I got my first vaccine dose today, about 90 minutes ago. I could have gotten it sooner but wanted more data on the allergy issue (I have hx of food/drug/environmental allergies but don’t see an allergist). The reason I went today was because it’s the last chance to get vaccinated at the hospital as we are transitioning it to outpatient sites from now on. I took one of my docs with me for moral support and I’m glad I did. I immediately felt warm and my HR shot way up. Then every 5 minutes I’d feel dizzy, kind of out of it and just “bad”. But no airway issues and no swelling anywhere. Now the waves are about every 30 min and I’m hot/chilled. So. Yay I have a robust immune system!! I say all this because yeah it’s a little scary to have the unknown. Recent NEJM article states the documented serious allergy is about 10x higher with Covid vaccine than all other vaccines. But. I did it. And I’m ok. I'm glad you are ok and had someone there for moral support. I hope you feel better and better as the day goes on!
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Post by mb3 on Jan 5, 2021 10:36:06 GMT -6
I....do not want a nursing student reconstituting this vaccine and administering it to me. No way, no how. Yeah. Lots of pharmacies have this vaccine on lockdown like a controlled substance. Especially with the pharmacist who purposefully ruined a bunch. At our hospital pharmacy is reconstituting and then allowing pharmacy students to carry a small basket of syringes across the hall (in plain sight) to the nurses and PAs administering.
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Post by mb3 on Jan 5, 2021 10:40:19 GMT -6
I....do not want a nursing student reconstituting this vaccine and administering it to me. No way, no how. It takes 5 minutes to train someone to give a shot Nursing students train and practice way longer than that thru block 1 before allowed to do it during clinicals. I am aware of their training. And what they are realistically allowed to do during clinicals. I still would not be comfortable with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 10:45:40 GMT -6
They need to hire people trained to give shots. Which takes $ for pay Plus training. And more ppe. If they could get all the nursing students nationwide in on this, they usually are taught how to wear ppe, hand hygiene, hippa stuffs, and how to give shots in block 1. They arent certified in anything yet but if they counted it towars clinical hours they might not even have to pay them. Probably in school emts and paramedics too. I....do not want a nursing student reconstituting this vaccine and administering it to me. No way, no how. But why? This makes no sense to me. They have to learn somehow, IM injections are one of the first and easiest skills learned. They have more training in IM injection administration than the pharmacists and pharmacy techs who are currently administering the vaccine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 10:50:32 GMT -6
Actually I haven't given an IM injection since OB clinicals, so nursing student me would probably be better at administering it than current hospital bedside nurse me 😂
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Post by sakura on Jan 5, 2021 11:03:09 GMT -6
The amount they’re paying nurses here to work vaccination clinics is a good $10-$15/hour more than I make on the floor This doesn’t even make sense? The only way it makes sense to me is that it incentivizes nurses already in the area to work those clinics, too. Like, I’m not at all motivated to work beyond my 3 shifts, but that money does make me consider it - vaccination clinics are not as physically or emotionally demanding as the floor ...
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Post by sakura on Jan 5, 2021 11:08:24 GMT -6
I....do not want a nursing student reconstituting this vaccine and administering it to me. No way, no how. But why? This makes no sense to me. They have to learn somehow, IM injections are one of the first and easiest skills learned. They have more training in IM injection administration than the pharmacists and pharmacy techs who are currently administering the vaccine. I have no issue with the skill level nursing students have to draw up and administer an IM injection. But I do have some concerns about the ability of nursing students to monitor people for S/S of reaction or anaphylaxis post vaccine administration.
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Post by AmyG on Jan 5, 2021 11:09:38 GMT -6
I....do not want a nursing student reconstituting this vaccine and administering it to me. No way, no how. But why? This makes no sense to me. They have to learn somehow, IM injections are one of the first and easiest skills learned. They have more training in IM injection administration than the pharmacists and pharmacy techs who are currently administering the vaccine. And the number of times the new nursing students are taught to check the orders, the patients identification, the name of the med, etc and then go back and do that 3 times. They wouldnt have given the antibodies instead of the vaccine to 42 people.
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Post by mb3 on Jan 5, 2021 11:10:34 GMT -6
Actually I haven't given an IM injection since OB clinicals, so nursing student me would probably be better at administering it than current hospital bedside nurse me 😂 Guess it’s *regional* since I never gave an IM injection in clinicals- and certainly never vaccines- but give them all the time now.
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Post by AmyG on Jan 5, 2021 11:12:35 GMT -6
But why? This makes no sense to me. They have to learn somehow, IM injections are one of the first and easiest skills learned. They have more training in IM injection administration than the pharmacists and pharmacy techs who are currently administering the vaccine. I have no issue with the skill level nursing students have to draw up and administer an IM injection. But I do have some concerns about the ability of nursing students to monitor people for S/S of reaction or anaphylaxis post vaccine administration. If nursing students were doing this as clinicals they would have a more trained person there to monitor them. It would be a way for 1 pharmacist to vaccinate twice the patients if the pharmacist isnt giving all the shots. But monitoring and overseeing. Aside from the fact that most of the time after vaccine monitiring is go sit in that chair over there and tell us if you feel funny.
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Post by AmyG on Jan 5, 2021 11:15:20 GMT -6
Actually I haven't given an IM injection since OB clinicals, so nursing student me would probably be better at administering it than current hospital bedside nurse me 😂 Guess it’s *regional* since I never gave an IM injection in clinicals- and certainly never vaccines- but give them all the time now. One of the first things taught to nursing students here after the basics of assessing, cpr, emergent stuffs. Oh and how to put in a catheter. They practice so much on the rubber dummies and get graded in bedside manner and introducing themselves and explaining the procedure to the dummy. Lol Thats asu school of medicine and local com college nurse school both.
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Post by mb3 on Jan 5, 2021 11:17:42 GMT -6
I....do not want a nursing student reconstituting this vaccine and administering it to me. No way, no how. But why? This makes no sense to me. They have to learn somehow, IM injections are one of the first and easiest skills learned. They have more training in IM injection administration than the pharmacists and pharmacy techs who are currently administering the vaccine. Again, regional. I have no problem with them learning IM injections or even vaccines....but not for something this important. Also approaching from a purely logistical standpoint, this wouldn’t be a timesaver as it would require licensed nurses overseeing and co-signing every aspect of this.
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