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Post by cakewench on Dec 30, 2019 13:52:22 GMT -6
For me the issue about the granddaughter thing was more timing. Theoretically he had to have been searching for Rey before he was killed by Vader in 1983 in our timeline. The flashbacks show Rey as a what... 7-10 year old girl when her parents put her into hiding? Which means she’d be over 40 in this series which is completely unbelievable. Exactly. If they had put one line in there about cloning or creating life I would have been much more willing to accept it. They passed it off as natural and well... No. Just no fucking way. No. What did I miss about searching for Rey when he was killed by Vader?
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Post by willow on Dec 30, 2019 13:56:54 GMT -6
For me the issue about the granddaughter thing was more timing. Theoretically he had to have been searching for Rey before he was killed by Vader in 1983 in our timeline. The flashbacks show Rey as a what... 7-10 year old girl when her parents put her into hiding? Which means she’d be over 40 in this series which is completely unbelievable. Exactly. If they had put one line in there about cloning or creating life I would have been much more willing to accept it. They passed it off as natural and well... No. Just no fucking way. No. Yeah, it makes absolutely no sense. I mean, I can accept that he may have had an adult son when he was killed in (our) 1983. But then logic follows that a child born to that son would be minimum 36/37 years old if they were an infant when Palpatine was killed, which she clearly was much older. At least, the impression I got was that Palpatine was alive and aware of his bloodline and that's why they hid her, not just from the dark side in general.
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Post by willow on Dec 30, 2019 13:58:41 GMT -6
Exactly. If they had put one line in there about cloning or creating life I would have been much more willing to accept it. They passed it off as natural and well... No. Just no fucking way. No. What did I miss about searching for Rey when he was killed by Vader? Isn't that the entire reason her parents left her on Jakku? And they were killed by Palpatine's dudes when they refused to divulge where she was?
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Post by cakewench on Dec 30, 2019 13:59:35 GMT -6
Ok, thinking this through now - I don't think there was a specific line, but the fact Rey's parents were so freaked out they hid her suggests they knew Palpatine was still around, yes? Is it possible it was the Giant Secret Sith Gathering that was after them? Or Snoke the Palpatine Puppet? (Something still threatening but not specifically Palpatine?) Clearly the answer is I need to go see it again lol ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by cakewench on Dec 30, 2019 14:00:45 GMT -6
Or the answer is JJ wanted a plot point and would fill in the details/fix the contradictions later. Seems more likely ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by willow on Dec 30, 2019 14:07:26 GMT -6
The only other way it makes sense to me is if the Star Wars universe timeline is not following the same trajectory as the timeline in which the movies were released -- like as in there were less years between each event than years between trilogy releases (not including the prequels since they obviously were pre-original trilogy), but I don't think that works either because Han/Leia/Luke etc all aged appropriately. Rey's wikipedia page said she is supposed to be 19 at the time of TFA, making her a mid-90s (our timeline) baby and not at all feasible that Palpatine could have been alive and searching for her pre-death by Vader.
It's dumb because really who cares but to me I would have rather she still just stay a 'nobody'.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 30, 2019 14:25:50 GMT -6
Sheev was around 50 at the time of Episode 1. So if you did the math he was close to 90 in ROTJ. Not that it can't happen but given our knowledge of cloners and the reveal in the Darth Vader comics about creating life, that is much more likely.
There was also his big speech in The Aftermath series about how the empire needs children so all that makes me 🤔.
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Post by claudia on Dec 30, 2019 15:20:33 GMT -6
ILs finally left this morning. Here are my thoughts, now that I've had a lot of time to digest: 1. Agree they could have edited a bit more, there was a lot going on. For example, I thought Dominic Moynahan was unnecessary. His lines easily could have been given to Rose, and I am pissed at how her role was reduced in this movie. So, have you been following today? It turns out he was added because of a bet with Abrams and people are royally pissed. It's so irritating.
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Post by cakewench on Dec 30, 2019 15:54:57 GMT -6
ILs finally left this morning. Here are my thoughts, now that I've had a lot of time to digest: 1. Agree they could have edited a bit more, there was a lot going on. For example, I thought Dominic Moynahan was unnecessary. His lines easily could have been given to Rose, and I am pissed at how her role was reduced in this movie. So, have you been following today? It turns out he was added because of a bet with Abrams and people are royally pissed. It's so irritating. I haven't, but that doesn't surprise me. It's no secret JJ Abrams likes to reuse certain actors. Keri Russell worked because her character added something to the story (whether people agree it was good or bad, whatever, but it added). Dom's part didn't add a damn thing. He could have been a pilot cameo or something smaller, and the lines given to Rose. Sigh.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 30, 2019 16:35:45 GMT -6
ILs finally left this morning. Here are my thoughts, now that I've had a lot of time to digest: 1. Agree they could have edited a bit more, there was a lot going on. For example, I thought Dominic Moynahan was unnecessary. His lines easily could have been given to Rose, and I am pissed at how her role was reduced in this movie. So, have you been following today? It turns out he was added because of a bet with Abrams and people are royally pissed. It's so irritating. His character was so unnecessary that I completely forgot he was in the movie and had to Google who the fuck cakewench was referring to. Which says a lot.
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Post by bellatrix on Dec 30, 2019 16:40:47 GMT -6
So, have you been following today? It turns out he was added because of a bet with Abrams and people are royally pissed. It's so irritating. His character was so unnecessary that I completely forgot he was in the movie and had to Google who the fuck cakewench was referring to. Which says a lot. Same. Add me to the list of those who thought Finn was going to process his love to Try 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by cakewench on Dec 31, 2019 9:56:59 GMT -6
I mean really, fuck off with that nonsense, JJ. Carrie Fisher would not stand for that shit.
(The replies to the tweet are pretty great.)
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 31, 2019 10:20:39 GMT -6
I mean really, fuck off with that nonsense, JJ. Carrie Fisher would not stand for that shit. (The replies to the tweet are pretty great.) I read about this yesterday and their explanation is horseshit. If she was supposed to be a head of the resistance alongside Leia, then that does not mean all her fucking lines and scenes need to be tied to her. How hard is it to have her say "Leia and I discussed X plan"? At the very least the optics with this whole thing are horrible.
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Post by callmekd on Dec 31, 2019 10:47:59 GMT -6
So, have you been following today? It turns out he was added because of a bet with Abrams and people are royally pissed. It's so irritating. His character was so unnecessary that I completely forgot he was in the movie and had to Google who the fuck cakewench was referring to. Which says a lot. +1 I'm going to see it again this afternoon - maybe I'll remember him this time?
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Post by claudia on Dec 31, 2019 10:50:44 GMT -6
I mean really, fuck off with that nonsense, JJ. Carrie Fisher would not stand for that shit. (The replies to the tweet are pretty great.) I read about this yesterday and their explanation is horseshit. If she was supposed to be a head of the resistance alongside Leia, then that does not mean all her fucking lines and scenes need to be tied to her. How hard is it to have her say "Leia and I discussed X plan"? At the very least the optics with this whole thing are horrible. Especially since Carrie Fisher had already died when they started filming. I would buy this more if she died mid-filming and they couldn't wrap up scenes they had planned. (I'm not trying to sound crass, just realistic.)
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Post by richard on Jan 3, 2020 17:10:44 GMT -6
I liked the costuming, like Poe's desert pirate look and Rey's white outfit. I like seeing Wedge and Lando again. I'm a sucker for a dead dad coming back to help fix things, so I was even happy to see Han in that context. I liked that Rey used Leia's light saber for a bit as it was both new but also a good throwback to Leia. I also probably felt the most feelings at Chewie breaking down after finding out about Leia dying.
I think there could've been a really cool movie made within the basic outlines of this plot but better filled in. The movie was serviceable but the conversations all felt like Cliff Notes versions. There could've been some more details about Palpatine, the family history, cloning, whatever it may be that made it more interesting. I was also annoyed that Finn never told Rey what he had to tell her. It kind of felt like lowest common denominator - doing the least possible to advance the plot.
I thought for a minute after Kylo became Ben again that he was going to work with the others to pull Rey back from the dark side and redeem her like Luke redeemed Vader and that would've been a slightly more interesting way to get to the ending that they got to.
Would do Kylo Ren. Would do Poe. Three out of five stars.
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Post by richard on Jan 3, 2020 17:21:01 GMT -6
I was waiting for Villanelle to kill that Jedi hunter fool. ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/2uw0ba3dLIu46jmKzZ/giphy.gif)
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Post by Bookshelves on Jan 3, 2020 17:59:36 GMT -6
I was 100% with you richard on all points except “would do Kylo Ren.”
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Post by richard on Jan 4, 2020 11:22:35 GMT -6
I was 100% with you richard on all points except “would do Kylo Ren.” ![](https://media0.giphy.com/media/UUvaW1L0SK9Mc/giphy.gif?cid=790b76114e86db550a9475a7519cfca5b71e4e6b1d076e63&rid=giphy.gif)
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Post by sheilathetank on Jan 4, 2020 14:10:13 GMT -6
After watching it a second time, I’m less annoyed that they never showed what Finn wanted to tell Rey. I think it’s that he is force sensitive and he knows Rey is a Palpatine. There are several references to it being that, including when he’s talking to Poe, telling Poe that he (Finn) and Leia know what Rey is going through. (Later Luke tells Rey that Leia knew.) I read somewhere that some of the writers wanted to make this into 2 movies because they were cramming so much in, and that there was a lot more backstory explaining Palpatine’s resurrection that got cut out. Ok but they 100000% did not have to resurrect palpatine for this movie. It wasn't even hinted in in the other movies. So their excuse for cramming it in is just an excuse. If it really didn't flow right they should have rewrote it. Because again, the palpatine thing made no fucking sense and was completely unnecessary for the story.
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Post by iruntodrink on Jan 4, 2020 17:25:33 GMT -6
I liked the costuming, like Poe's desert pirate look and Rey's white outfit. I like seeing Wedge and Lando again. I'm a sucker for a dead dad coming back to help fix things, so I was even happy to see Han in that context. I liked that Rey used Leia's light saber for a bit as it was both new but also a good throwback to Leia. I also probably felt the most feelings at Chewie breaking down after finding out about Leia dying. I think there could've been a really cool movie made within the basic outlines of this plot but better filled in. The movie was serviceable but the conversations all felt like Cliff Notes versions. There could've been some more details about Palpatine, the family history, cloning, whatever it may be that made it more interesting. I was also annoyed that Finn never told Rey what he had to tell her. It kind of felt like lowest common denominator - doing the least possible to advance the plot. I thought for a minute after Kylo became Ben again that he was going to work with the others to pull Rey back from the dark side and redeem her like Luke redeemed Vader and that would've been a slightly more interesting way to get to the ending that they got to. Would do Kylo Ren. Would do Poe. Three out of five stars. same as Bookshelves 😂 I watched a 2nd time: Still pissed as fuck at Finn on the Death Star yelling/distracting Rey. Like, what the fuck...why? Mom pointed out Kylo Ren lost his face scar pretty much right after the first scene. The pan away at the end showed the last of the original 3 in a group and the new 3 in a group next to them, I liked that nod.
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Post by marygracerich on Jan 21, 2020 5:40:03 GMT -6
I’m super late but I just saw the movie.
I loved it. I didn’t mind the Rey/Palpatine thing. I never want to see sad chewie again. I loved Billie Lourdes part in it. To me it felt like a Star Wars movie should.
I 100% Fin was going to tell Rey he is force sensitive and that he knows her parentage.
Chewie got his medal!! I think Maz should have kissed him on the cheek. Lol
I think they should have either made both Ben and Rey survive or killed them both. I think it should have been all or none. I don’t like that Rey took the Skywalker last name. This movie is supposed to be the end of the Skywalker saga so why continue the life of a character with that last name whether the lineage is true or not. She should have stayed as just Rey and been her own person. She doesn’t need a last name.
I like the Ben redemption story. I love the actress that plays Rose but she was pretty unnecessary in the last movie and this one. Babu Frik is adorable.
I really hope we get some movies or books about the ex stormtroopers. That could be so fun.
Would do Kylo Ren. 🤷🏻♀️
Carrie Fisher has always been one of my favorite actresses of all time. Not because she is particularly talented but because who she is as a person. Princess Leia will always be my favorite character. They have never disappointed me with her role and they way it’s written.
Overall it was fun, emotional and an adventure. It had funny stuff mixed in with the serious stuff and it made it feel like a Star Wars movie should.
I want to see it again.
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Post by Dramaphile on Jan 21, 2020 7:59:43 GMT -6
I liked the costuming, like Poe's desert pirate look and Rey's white outfit. I like seeing Wedge and Lando again. I'm a sucker for a dead dad coming back to help fix things, so I was even happy to see Han in that context. I liked that Rey used Leia's light saber for a bit as it was both new but also a good throwback to Leia. I also probably felt the most feelings at Chewie breaking down after finding out about Leia dying. I think there could've been a really cool movie made within the basic outlines of this plot but better filled in. The movie was serviceable but the conversations all felt like Cliff Notes versions. There could've been some more details about Palpatine, the family history, cloning, whatever it may be that made it more interesting. I was also annoyed that Finn never told Rey what he had to tell her. It kind of felt like lowest common denominator - doing the least possible to advance the plot. I thought for a minute after Kylo became Ben again that he was going to work with the others to pull Rey back from the dark side and redeem her like Luke redeemed Vader and that would've been a slightly more interesting way to get to the ending that they got to. Would do Kylo Ren. Would do Poe. Three out of five stars. same as Bookshelves 😂 I watched a 2nd time: Still pissed as fuck at Finn on the Death Star yelling/distracting Rey. Like, what the fuck...why? Mom pointed out Kylo Ren lost his face scar pretty much right after the first scene. The pan away at the end showed the last of the original 3 in a group and the new 3 in a group next to them, I liked that nod. I didn't notice that she healed his scar when she force-healed his lightsaber wound until I watched it the second time.
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Post by Taitai on Jan 21, 2020 8:35:00 GMT -6
I’m an average Star Wars fan, and I just saw The Rise of Skywalker. Overall - I liked it and thought it got the job done of wrapping up the entire saga satisfactorily.
I know a lot of people don’t like the Palpatine thing, but with Snoke getting killed (kind of unceremoniously imo) in TLJ, well - there had to be another big bad/Sith evil guy in this film to play the antagonist. So I think JJ’s solution wasn’t a bad one. If we are looking at the entire saga from Ep 1 - 9, it’s easy to have Palpatine be the enduring bad guy throughout the whole thing, and then have the Skywalkers (which Rey basically gets adopted into) on the good side. Fine by average fan me.
The movie did seem rushed and crammed with too much plot, but I realize that the writers/director had a lot of stuff to wrap up in this film.
I also wasn’t a fan of TLJ, which just fell flat, meandering, didn’t do much to advance the plot from TFA, and was dull to me (slow motion chase through space...ughhhh), so I appreciated the tone/vibe of this last one - even if it was a bit too brisk.
The scenes with Leia seemed forced at times, but I’m glad there wasn’t CGI, and I think it was the best solution to the tragic, sudden loss of Carrie Fisher.
I also love that they brought Lando back, and I actually really liked Finn in this movie. He seemed really empathetic - both with Rey and that new ex-stormtrooper he met.
The Rey/Ben kiss...I’m indifferent. I kind of viewed their bond as more brother/sister-like, so at first it was weird to see, but I guess I can come around on that.
That’s all I can think of. Overall - I think this movie was intended to give fans what they wanted and wrap things up in a nice little package that was easy to digest, and I’m happy it did that.
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Post by tatorhead328 on Jan 21, 2020 9:05:23 GMT -6
marygracerich, I agree with basically everything you said! I loved it. I got really emotional at the end when Poe was feeling defeated and the other ships showed up to help and the music swelled - tears! I, personally, felt that Kylo had to die. I really enjoyed his redemption arc, but he did too many terrible things like, you know, being cool with genocide lol. So no matter how much you redeem yourself, you don't just get to commit those terrible acts and then live a happy life with your girlfriend afterwards. Every time I leave a Star Wars movie, I'm excited to go home and watch them all again.
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