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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 6:59:07 GMT -6
R-FL Michael Waltz is on C-SPAN complaining that Rs can't call witnesses in the hearing nor add evidence to confront the Ds evidence. Are they not allowed to do that? The rules of this aren't clearly discussed. He is also complaining Schiff is leaking everything to the public. Here are the Rs talking points right now to discredit the process 1. They can't call there own witnesses. 2. They can't give contradictory evidence. 3. Ds are leaking information of all the hearings. 4. The president can't have counsel there. 5. This whole process is partisan and not fair. 6. This is a waste of time for America and nothing is getting done. So I guess I am confused. Is this trial or a hearing or an investigation? Can Rs not call people? It the spirit of fairness do the not have to act as the "red team" to get the truth? Also they are really out to get your BF dc2london. They are making him out to be shady and acting like Barr did to change the narrative on the process. Oh the Democrats on the committees are absolutely leaking like crazy. It's not a trial. It's an investigation. It's just like a grand jury, and Articles of impeachment are like an indictment. The defense has no subpoena authority during a grand jury investigation--that's what the trial is for. I think House Republicans have a valid point that they aren't allowed to call witnesses. I guess I don't know who they would call but I kinda feel like....knock yourselves out, dingbats. The cross examination talking point is bupkis. Democratic and Republican committee members and staffers are granted equal time to question witnesses just as in open hearings.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 7:00:03 GMT -6
JukEboX the gentleman from Florida who just called in was exactly right. And now the Congressman is claiming the Mueller investigation was the investigation part of the process which is....wrong.
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Post by JukEboX on Oct 24, 2019 7:02:07 GMT -6
A former police officer called in Mr. Waltz's district called and said this is an investigation to collect the evidence for the trial in the Senate. Waltz is saying that the investigation was the Mueller investigation. What Schiff is doing is partisan and shouldn't be and Rs should have a say.
Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that new evidence of obstruction was presented in the Mueller report as well as the Quid Pro Quo phone call as well as other whistle blower reports. So I don't think Republicans have a leg to stand on about this investigation. I am unclear if they are supposed to be able to question and bring in witnesses for their side though.
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Post by JukEboX on Oct 24, 2019 7:04:19 GMT -6
Just following the rules Boehner laid down: Boom. Nuff said
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Post by JukEboX on Oct 24, 2019 7:06:09 GMT -6
JukEboX the gentleman from Florida who just called in was exactly right. And now the Congressman is claiming the Mueller investigation was the investigation part of the process which is....wrong. You and I are on the same page. ^_^ I would like to know why they can't call witnesses for their side. It doesn't seem right to me in the spirit of fairness. If they should be allowed then they should be allowed that way Ds can shut down their rebuttals with fact.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 7:07:55 GMT -6
It seems to me the GOP talking points rely on Americans not understanding our legal system
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Post by JukEboX on Oct 24, 2019 7:10:51 GMT -6
It seems to me the GOP talking points rely on Americans not understanding our legal system They are making a good bet there.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 7:11:33 GMT -6
Andrew Napolitano demolishes Fox's talking point that Dems need transparency: "These are not the impeachment hearings. The impeachment hearings have to be held in public by the House Judiciary Committee. This is the initial interview of witnesses. ... He's following the rules." t.co/3UW9tGPCC3
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 7:13:10 GMT -6
It's all song and dance. Republicans are also demanding a public hearing with the whistleblower who is honestly irrelevant at this point
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Post by athn64 on Oct 24, 2019 7:26:32 GMT -6
It's all song and dance. Republicans are also demanding a public hearing with the whistleblower who is honestly irrelevant at this point Yeah, it's like the person who calls a tip line because their neighbor is a meth dealer. It lets the authorities into the door, but then the evidence comes from a different arena.
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Post by byjove on Oct 24, 2019 7:32:26 GMT -6
I, um, briefly forgot about the whistleblower. So much other shit going on. That was like 2 weeks ago. OLD NEWS.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 7:42:37 GMT -6
I called it
6) Fox is told there was never any chance mbrs who barged into SCIF would be arrested by USCP wBut some mbrs members asked to be arrested. They wanted the optic of being frog marched out of the SCIF in front of TV cameras. That would help w/GOP narrative of Dem process abuse
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 7:48:31 GMT -6
Oh lord help us
INBOX -- news conference today in the Capitol with @lindseygrahamsc on impeachment -- 3:00 p.m.
ETA he is announcing a resolution condemning the impeachment inquiry
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 24, 2019 8:17:29 GMT -6
JukEboX the gentleman from Florida who just called in was exactly right. And now the Congressman is claiming the Mueller investigation was the investigation part of the process which is....wrong. You and I are on the same page. ^_^ I would like to know why they can't call witnesses for their side. It doesn't seem right to me in the spirit of fairness. If they should be allowed then they should be allowed that way Ds can shut down their rebuttals with fact. Let’s say you are a murder suspect Prior to arrest and trial the prosecution appears before a grand jury and lays out the evidence against you. You are not allowed representation nor are you allowed to cross examine any witnesses The grand jury decides in secret whether there is enough there to recommend you for arrest and trial. This is the part we’re in I’d like to thank Dick Wolf and 25 years of law and order as well as ID Discovery for my knowledge of the legal system
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 24, 2019 8:19:33 GMT -6
It's all song and dance. Republicans are also demanding a public hearing with the whistleblower who is honestly irrelevant at this point Yeah, it's like the person who calls a tip line because their neighbor is a meth dealer. It lets the authorities into the door, but then the evidence comes from a different arena. That analogy only works if the meth dealer wasn’t standing in the lobby of the police station yelling HEY come and buy your meth here. 😂
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Post by athn64 on Oct 24, 2019 8:21:51 GMT -6
Yeah, it's like the person who calls a tip line because their neighbor is a meth dealer. It lets the authorities into the door, but then the evidence comes from a different arena. That analogy only works if the meth dealer wasn’t standing in the lobby of the police station yelling HEY come and buy your meth here. 😂 Well, see to begin with he was only selling weed, and they were working on that, but then the neighbor called like "Dude is cooking up meth" and they go in. And then he starts yelling about it in front of the police.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 8:26:19 GMT -6
This thread from Marcy Wheeler is some impressive sleuthing
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Post by cakewench on Oct 24, 2019 10:03:02 GMT -6
Oh lord help us INBOX -- news conference today in the Capitol with @lindseygrahamsc on impeachment -- 3:00 p.m. ETA he is announcing a resolution condemning the impeachment inquiry At this point t he might as well call a conference in the Rose Garden where he literally kisses trumps ass.
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Post by JukEboX on Oct 24, 2019 10:12:30 GMT -6
You and I are on the same page. ^_^ I would like to know why they can't call witnesses for their side. It doesn't seem right to me in the spirit of fairness. If they should be allowed then they should be allowed that way Ds can shut down their rebuttals with fact. Let’s say you are a murder suspect Prior to arrest and trial the prosecution appears before a grand jury and lays out the evidence against you. You are not allowed representation nor are you allowed to cross examine any witnesses The grand jury decides in secret whether there is enough there to recommend you for arrest and trial. This is the part we’re in I’d like to thank Dick Wolf and 25 years of law and order as well as ID Discovery for my knowledge of the legal system Thank yoy
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Post by oreobitsy on Oct 24, 2019 11:04:09 GMT -6
This thread from Marcy Wheeler is some impressive sleuthing I don't crime well. Are they suggesting that Hannity may have been in on the efforts to publicize the information?
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Post by teatime on Oct 24, 2019 11:17:26 GMT -6
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Post by cakewench on Oct 24, 2019 11:53:22 GMT -6
Love this response from AOC:
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Post by summerbabe on Oct 24, 2019 11:58:17 GMT -6
Love this response from AOC: I don't know why anyone tries to @her on social media because she is so good at it.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 12:04:41 GMT -6
This thread from Marcy Wheeler is some impressive sleuthing I don't crime well. Are they suggesting that Hannity may have been in on the efforts to publicize the information? She's saying Hannity is in bed with a bunch of criminals and if he did crimes, SDNY probably knows about it, and the timing of Barr's meeting with Murdoch becomes even more suspicious
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Post by oreobitsy on Oct 24, 2019 12:07:24 GMT -6
Ahhh, thanks Dc! I always have assumed they are all in cahoots but it's a different thing for authorities to have actual proof.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 12:07:39 GMT -6
Also this
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 12:10:06 GMT -6
I mean Rudy is literally running around the Sunday shows peddling stuff he got from an indicted oligarch fighting extradition
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 12:15:29 GMT -6
I forgot Firtash lives in Vienna too. So were Lev, Igor and Rudy actually running to him with their one way tickets? Mob protection?
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Post by dc2london on Oct 24, 2019 14:34:50 GMT -6
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Post by cakewench on Oct 24, 2019 14:41:51 GMT -6
You actually think he would appear? ETA: Not trying to be snarky, genuinely curious. I am on the fence myself.
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