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Post by elle on Oct 21, 2019 13:34:40 GMT -6
I think this is the right approach. I know those of us who are Extremely Online see Trump committing impeachable offenses every day. But I've checked newspapers in smaller cities (Detroit, Miami, Cedar Rapids, Cleveland) and there's *very little* discussion of Trump malfeasance on a daily basis. The fact that Trump corruptly and inappropriately used his power against Ukraine is clear, simple, and has already been called "wrong" by multiple elected Republicans. I go back and forth on this too. I think this is the straightest path forward and the correct approach. As much as I want everything thrown at him and accounted for. Doesn't it also mean that the other offenses could later be brought up separately if necessary (please for the love of all things let it not be necessary)? I remember reading something along those lines back in August but maybe I'm hallucinating. I can't keep track anymore.
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Post by oreobitsy on Oct 21, 2019 13:39:46 GMT -6
I agree. Trump's actions with Ukraine are pretty clear and it definitely is illegal.
Even my family members who voted for Trump admit it is an abuse of his power to ask for the investigation. That's a big change for them.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 5:17:16 GMT -6
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Post by richard on Oct 22, 2019 7:17:30 GMT -6
Can't wait for stuff to leak from this hearing.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 7:45:42 GMT -6
Susan Hennessy made a really good point on Rational Security re: a vote in the full House.
During the Clinton and Nixon impeachments, the proceedings didn't start until after the investigation by a special prosecutor was complete. At that point, the full House voted to begin impeachment proceedings and certain additional protections were extended to White House Counsel. The House could (and arguably should) do the same thing at such time as the investigation is complete.
But. To do so now basically guarantees that Giuliani and other Trump goons will turn the investigation into a fiasco and muddy the waters beyond repair.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 7:47:36 GMT -6
And that ^^ is exactly why I support the closed door nature of the inquiry as it stands right now. Jordan, gaetz etc aren't mad about secrecy. They're bad bc the testimony of those deposed is damning for Trump but they can't do their usual deflection and dissembling song and dance to confuse people and take the heat off of Trump.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 9:50:47 GMT -6
Committee members confirm that State tried to block or limit Ambassador Bill Taylor's testimony today. They issued a subpoena and the Ambassador is testifying as scheduled.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 10:19:20 GMT -6
LIEU just emerged and described Taylor’s testimony as “incredibly damaging to the president.” Wouldn’t provide specifics. He said questioning of the witness has begun.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 10:20:19 GMT -6
Wait what? This is new
Reality check: The Ambassador called you and asked broadly, “what do you want from Ukraine?” With a guilty conscience, you repeated, “no quid pro quo.” Problem: He didn’t ask you if there was a quid pro quo. You just happened to know there was one.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 10:33:09 GMT -6
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Post by milano on Oct 22, 2019 10:54:56 GMT -6
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Post by oreobitsy on Oct 22, 2019 11:08:50 GMT -6
I can tell today is going to be one of those busy news days. I wish I could hear the testimony.
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 22, 2019 11:19:34 GMT -6
There were 75 people in the room where Taylor is testifying. Wow
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 11:22:22 GMT -6
MORE >> Another source says the sighs & gasps were in reaction to Taylor describing “how pervasive the efforts were to tie an investigation of Burisma and 2016 election ‘interference’ to a White House meeting and aid being released.” t.co/ZceSblImJ1
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Post by jaygee on Oct 22, 2019 11:53:26 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 12:09:39 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 12:10:59 GMT -6
I can tell today is going to be one of those busy news days. I wish I could hear the testimony. I've been babysitting risotto and scrolling Twitter all morning bringing the pertinent updates 😜
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 12:11:35 GMT -6
Lordy there are notes “I’ll tell you, as a former state department political appointee, in my experience the difference between career folks and political appointees is the career folks take very good notes,” Tom @malinowski said, hinting that Taylor provided corroboration. 👀 t.co/ZceSblImJ1
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Post by elle on Oct 22, 2019 12:14:33 GMT -6
I'm so ready for the "smocking" [sic] gun. Please let this be it.
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Post by oreobitsy on Oct 22, 2019 12:28:48 GMT -6
My eyebrows are also frozen in the raised position.
I am surprised that there is such surprise regarding Taylor's testimony. Is it just that he was so thorough in his documentation? We pretty much knew Trump did this based on the WB complaint and admissions by him.
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Post by elle on Oct 22, 2019 12:31:33 GMT -6
My eyebrows are also frozen in the raised position. I am surprised that there is such surprise regarding Taylor's testimony. Is it just that he was so thorough in his documentation? We pretty much knew Trump did this based on the WB complaint and admissions by him. It sounds like it's the sheer amount of incriminating details causing the permanently raised brows. Rachel's going to be lit tonight. *rubs hands together*
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 12:47:31 GMT -6
Wooooooo lordy Big update --> William Taylor tells impeachment investigators that he was told the release of Ukraine aid was contingent on a public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election Developing here: t.co/Op8NJGMcX8
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 22, 2019 12:50:39 GMT -6
Wooooooo lordy Big update --> William Taylor tells impeachment investigators that he was told the release of Ukraine aid was contingent on a public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election Developing here: t.co/Op8NJGMcX8So this morning CNN was talking about how they thought articles might be delayed longer than expected (org T-giving).
With Taylors seemingly damning testimony do you think they could have articles sooner?
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Post by enchanted on Oct 22, 2019 12:52:43 GMT -6
Wooooooo lordy Big update --> William Taylor tells impeachment investigators that he was told the release of Ukraine aid was contingent on a public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election Developing here: t.co/Op8NJGMcX8I mean, we knew this already, but ho.ly.shit.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 13:02:11 GMT -6
Wooooooo lordy Big update --> William Taylor tells impeachment investigators that he was told the release of Ukraine aid was contingent on a public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election Developing here: t.co/Op8NJGMcX8So this morning CNN was talking about how they thought articles might be delayed longer than expected (org T-giving).
With Taylors seemingly damning testimony do you think they could have articles sooner?
I think so, but I really hope they hold a public hearing with Taylor, Hill and Yovanovich
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 22, 2019 13:03:16 GMT -6
I dont know where this goes
Remember the NYT op-ed about 45 that was anonymous?
Anonymous has written a book, called "A Warning".
Elaborate precautions have been taken to keep his identity secret.
He will donate royalties to WA Correspondents Assn.
The publisher has verified that this person is the same author of the op-ed
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 22, 2019 13:09:17 GMT -6
Taylors opening statement has been released
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 13:20:17 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 13:20:34 GMT -6
There's the gasp line
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Post by dc2london on Oct 22, 2019 13:22:56 GMT -6
He said that President Trump wanted President Zelensky ‘in a public box’ by making a public statement about ordering such investigations.’
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