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Post by ldubhawksfan on Oct 3, 2019 12:06:02 GMT -6
Because vpotus is standing by potus so the rest of the GOP wont buckle either? Because there's no way they'll oust both of them because we'll end up with Pelosi in charge. Unless they follow the Nixon path and force Pemce to resign first so they can appoint a VP that isn’t impeachable before Trump gets impeached or resigns.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 3, 2019 12:07:44 GMT -6
I guess that's the question (and I'm vigorously trying to research this). Say the Senate were to convict Trump. Then Pence becomes President and appoints his own VP, right? In order for Nancy to become President they would have to somehow convict both of them at the same time I think VP would have to be confirmed as well.
I dont see them working on a concurrent impeachment this close to elections.
Honestly even with a house vote at earliest end of November 2019. The Senate isn't going to rush hearings on its own and McConnell & Graham will take their sweet time.
Yes the appointed VP has to be confirmed by the House and Senate and the House could reasonably argue that Pence doesn't get the privilege of appointing a VP bc he did crimes
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Post by athn64 on Oct 3, 2019 12:07:56 GMT -6
Because there's no way they'll oust both of them because we'll end up with Pelosi in charge. I guess that's the question (and I'm vigorously trying to research this). Say the Senate were to convict Trump. Then Pence becomes President and appoints his own VP, right? In order for Nancy to become President they would have to somehow convict both of them at the same timeI just don't see that happening. The only reason Ford went from Speaker to VP to Pres is because Agnew resigned first and they forced Ford on Nixon.
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Post by athn64 on Oct 3, 2019 12:09:30 GMT -6
I guess that's the question (and I'm vigorously trying to research this). Say the Senate were to convict Trump. Then Pence becomes President and appoints his own VP, right? In order for Nancy to become President they would have to somehow convict both of them at the same time I think VP would have to be confirmed as well.
I dont see them working on a concurrent impeachment this close to elections.
Honestly even with a house vote at earliest end of November 2019. The Senate isn't going to rush hearings on its own and McConnell & Graham will take their sweet time.
VP would have to be confirmed. And that would be a pain. Both Chambers have to vote them through.
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Post by elle on Oct 3, 2019 12:09:49 GMT -6
Because there's no way they'll oust both of them because we'll end up with Pelosi in charge. I guess that's the question (and I'm vigorously trying to research this). Say the Senate were to convict Trump. Then Pence becomes President and appoints his own VP, right? In order for Nancy to become President they would have to somehow convict both of them at the same time That is true but what makes all of this an extremely sticky situation is that it's completely unprecedented. I've seen it argued that technically if Pence is also found guilty, his VP appointment should be thrown out too. But no one really knows. When Ford replaced Agnew, it was in part due to him being very far removed from the particular goings on (crimes) in the White House. I don't know if they'd come up with anyone for the role that is actually removed, the tentacles are so far reaching. But really at this point, I just want Trump and his cohorts out. Doing his crimes so boldy in public makes me extra nervous. That's like Dictator 101 ish.
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 3, 2019 12:10:11 GMT -6
I think VP would have to be confirmed as well.
I dont see them working on a concurrent impeachment this close to elections.
Honestly even with a house vote at earliest end of November 2019. The Senate isn't going to rush hearings on its own and McConnell & Graham will take their sweet time.
Yes the appointed VP has to be confirmed by the House and Senate and the House could reasonably argue that Pence doesn't get the privilege of appointing a VP bc he did crimes Welcome to This Week in Constitutional Crisis.
this is really disheartening.
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Post by cakewench on Oct 3, 2019 12:13:18 GMT -6
Because vpotus is standing by potus so the rest of the GOP wont buckle either? Because there's no way they'll oust both of them because we'll end up with Pelosi in charge. They won't oust both of them at the same time. Assuming the votes are there to support impeachment of one or both, I can easily see some kind of deal where the Pence agrees to resign, is replaced by a Congressionally-approved appointed VP, and then Trump gets impeached.
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Post by cakewench on Oct 3, 2019 12:13:49 GMT -6
Because there's no way they'll oust both of them because we'll end up with Pelosi in charge. I guess that's the question (and I'm vigorously trying to research this). Say the Senate were to convict Trump. Then Pence becomes President and appoints his own VP, right? In order for Nancy to become President they would have to somehow convict both of them at the same time Yes, 25th amendment. Appointment must be approved by both houses of Congress.
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Post by cakewench on Oct 3, 2019 12:14:30 GMT -6
I see my points were already covered. Don't mind me.
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Post by lemondrop on Oct 3, 2019 12:34:32 GMT -6
Because there's no way they'll oust both of them because we'll end up with Pelosi in charge. They won't oust both of them at the same time. Assuming the votes are there to support impeachment of one or both, I can easily see some kind of deal where the Pence agrees to resign, is replaced by a Congressionally-approved appointed VP, and then Trump gets impeached. In all honesty, I don't know that this would ever happen with a Dem House and a GOP Senate. McConnell would literally chew off his own flipper first.
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Post by cnf on Oct 3, 2019 12:40:42 GMT -6
What happens if Trump is impeached and then the house won't confirm Pence? Do we just not have a president for some amount of time? Or will Pence be forced to resign? Who appoints his replacement then?
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 3, 2019 12:41:57 GMT -6
What happens if Trump is impeached and then the house won't confirm Pence? Do we just not have a president for some amount of time? Or will Pence be forced to resign? Who appoints his replacement then? Pence doesn't need to be confirmed if 45 leaves office. He is just sworn in.
If Pence leaves his replacement would need to be congressionally approved.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 3, 2019 12:58:49 GMT -6
What happens if Trump is impeached and then the house won't confirm Pence? Do we just not have a president for some amount of time? Or will Pence be forced to resign? Who appoints his replacement then? The VP only needs confirmation if appointed.
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Post by fatpony on Oct 3, 2019 13:06:15 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Oct 3, 2019 13:26:55 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Oct 3, 2019 13:28:07 GMT -6
Welp. BREAKING: Bill Taylor, top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine, wrote that he thought it’s “crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign” in newly disclosed text messages shared with lawmakers. t.co/8DNMFvlNPF via @kfaulders @cjf39
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Post by bunnyfungo on Oct 3, 2019 13:30:06 GMT -6
Nancy and her delicious subpoena cookies. Someone should make a recipe up for Subpoena Cookies. My mom used to make these every Christmas. They’re orange. And have nuts. And surprisingly good. simpleandseasonal.com/orange-juice-balls/
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Post by dc2london on Oct 3, 2019 13:55:14 GMT -6
It's almost like Rudy is batshit crazy
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 3, 2019 14:06:15 GMT -6
Welp. BREAKING: Bill Taylor, top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine, wrote that he thought it’s “crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign” in newly disclosed text messages shared with lawmakers. t.co/8DNMFvlNPF via @kfaulders @cjf39 Drain the swamp my ass
^my current feelings towards anyone appointed (Sondland)
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Post by elle on Oct 3, 2019 14:11:42 GMT -6
Welp. BREAKING: Bill Taylor, top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine, wrote that he thought it’s “crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign” in newly disclosed text messages shared with lawmakers. t.co/8DNMFvlNPF via @kfaulders @cjf39 Are people thinking he's the WB? Or is this (just) a corroborating account/opinion?
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 3, 2019 14:14:50 GMT -6
Welp. BREAKING: Bill Taylor, top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine, wrote that he thought it’s “crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign” in newly disclosed text messages shared with lawmakers. t.co/8DNMFvlNPF via @kfaulders @cjf39 Are people thinking he's the WB? Or is this (just) a corroborating account/opinion? A bunch of docs were delivered to House this morning ahead of Volkers deposition, I am gonna go out on a loooooooooooooooong limb and assume these text exchanges could have been part of those.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 3, 2019 14:21:08 GMT -6
Welp. BREAKING: Bill Taylor, top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine, wrote that he thought it’s “crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign” in newly disclosed text messages shared with lawmakers. t.co/8DNMFvlNPF via @kfaulders @cjf39 Are people thinking he's the WB? Or is this (just) a corroborating account/opinion? I don't think he's the WB bc he was in Ukraine until a week ago
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Post by dc2london on Oct 3, 2019 14:21:50 GMT -6
Are people thinking he's the WB? Or is this (just) a corroborating account/opinion? A bunch of docs were delivered to House this morning ahead of Volkers deposition, I am gonna go out on a loooooooooooooooong limb and assume these text exchanges could have been part of those. Yes one of the HPSCI members said as much
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Post by elle on Oct 3, 2019 14:30:04 GMT -6
Are people thinking he's the WB? Or is this (just) a corroborating account/opinion? I don't think he's the WB bc he was in Ukraine until a week ago Ok good. I'm still really nervous about the WB's identity becoming public.
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 3, 2019 14:43:37 GMT -6
This was a pretty good primer on why impeachment is important.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 3, 2019 14:48:24 GMT -6
As usual, Susan Hennessy explains it all brilliantly
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Post by cakewench on Oct 3, 2019 14:59:06 GMT -6
Tapper reporting whistleblower is a registered Democrat:
I'm firmly in the "Who gives a fuck, Trump confessed and then did it again on live TV" camp, but even true or not this story is going to fan flames.
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Post by enchanted on Oct 3, 2019 15:00:21 GMT -6
I don't think he's the WB bc he was in Ukraine until a week ago Ok good. I'm still really nervous about the WB's identity becoming public. The WB will have to go into hiding if that happens.
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 3, 2019 15:00:50 GMT -6
Tapper reporting whistleblower is a registered Democrat: I'm firmly in the "Who gives a fuck, Trump confessed and then did it again on live TV" camp, but even true or not this story is going to fan flames. GAH I am watching in real time. Hey guess what not every registered voter is a complete partisan hack. I HAVE to register with a party, its required for primaries in my state. That doesnt mean I wont vote for an R if that is the best choice, when I get the opportunity to do so.
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Post by enchanted on Oct 3, 2019 15:01:45 GMT -6
Tapper reporting whistleblower is a registered Democrat: I'm firmly in the "Who gives a fuck, Trump confessed and then did it again on live TV" camp, but even true or not this story is going to fan flames. How long before 45 tweets out about the "Democrat Conspiracy"?
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