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Post by Uncaripswife on Aug 14, 2019 4:20:49 GMT -6
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Post by cakewench on Aug 14, 2019 4:36:51 GMT -6
I was just coming to post this. Thank god we didn’t elect him governor.
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Post by piratecat on Aug 14, 2019 5:11:19 GMT -6
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Post by ladybrienne on Aug 14, 2019 6:35:41 GMT -6
I have a dumb question: are the posters in this thread all diehard Dems? Just curious. I used to identify as moderate. As I get older I am progressive AF. Not thrilled with the overall state of the Dem party though, but I'd rather vote for my own ass than pretty much any Republican right now.
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Post by starbuck on Aug 14, 2019 6:46:41 GMT -6
I have a dumb question: are the posters in this thread all diehard Dems? Just curious. I am very much a moderate and tend to vote all over the spectrum. I vote for whomever I most align with, no matter the party. That said, these past midterms were the first time I voted almost unanimously Democratic, in part because those candidates better aligned with my values, but also because I am pretty disgusted with the GOP right now, for obvious reasons, and I didn't trust any of them to stand up to 45. A few I pulled independent, which I know can be frowned upon around here but ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯
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Post by greykitty on Aug 14, 2019 7:03:53 GMT -6
I have a dumb question: are the posters in this thread all diehard Dems? Just curious. I'm registered Democrat so I can vote in primaries - although we can cross over if desired in my state. I suspect in this group I'm considered conservative, although in my state I'd be a moderate. I've voted for candidates from both parties in the past, although always Dem for president - and I have decades of voting history behind me. I've gotten somewhat more pragmatic as I've gotten older - the true believer model has a lot of energy behind it, it's true - but sometimes you just need to make some sausage and govern after discussions and compromise. That's not always an evil thing.
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Post by blurnette989 on Aug 14, 2019 7:17:58 GMT -6
I have a dumb question: are the posters in this thread all diehard Dems? Just curious. I'm a straight up socialist.
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Post by piratecat on Aug 14, 2019 7:19:28 GMT -6
I have a dumb question: are the posters in this thread all diehard Dems? Just curious. I'm a straight up socialist. I am a socialist at heart, too.
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Post by blurnette989 on Aug 14, 2019 7:20:48 GMT -6
I'm a straight up socialist. I am a socialist at heart, too. it does make it easier that there are multiple socialist parties I can choose from to align with here.
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Post by byjove on Aug 14, 2019 7:47:30 GMT -6
Growing up in NH, that live free or die is hard to shake. I don’t think I’d ever be able to really pick a party and give myself a label other than independent, but I am very left leaning. I need to take one of those quizzes again to see what it would call me.
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Post by dc2london on Aug 14, 2019 8:10:27 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Aug 14, 2019 8:12:00 GMT -6
I used to say I was a left leaning independent but the GOP has gone so, so far right that it would be disingenuous to say I'm anything other than a liberal Democrat. That doesn't mean I would never support a Republican if I saw one with whom I agreed. I just don't see it happening any time soon.
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Post by enchanted on Aug 14, 2019 8:22:25 GMT -6
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Post by enchanted on Aug 14, 2019 8:23:37 GMT -6
I've always been left of center, but I keep moving further left as I get older.
ETA: So much for one of my asshole uncle's predictions that once I "grew up" I would quit being silly and start voting Republican.
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Post by dc2london on Aug 14, 2019 8:32:59 GMT -6
I've always been left of center, but I keep moving further left as I get older. ETA: So much for one of my asshole uncle's predictions that once I "grew up" I would quit being silly and start voting Republican. The more I learn, the more Progressive I become 🤷♀️
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Post by greykitty on Aug 14, 2019 8:36:46 GMT -6
I've always been left of center, but I keep moving further left as I get older. ETA: So much for one of my asshole uncle's predictions that once I "grew up" I would quit being silly and start voting Republican. How old is your uncle, though? Before the advent of the Tea Party republicans, that prediction was often fairly truly for a lot of people - especially voting fiscally Republican but socially Democratic. Slight spin off, one thing I often wonder about is if the politics most visible with "the Squad", for example, become the norm of the official Dem party, where will moderate Democrats go? Be as without a party as many old-time Republicans now are?
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Post by byjove on Aug 14, 2019 8:57:16 GMT -6
Democracy? What democracy? Although I am very confused because I thought there wasn’t going to be a citizenship question? But it reads like they are going to use other federal citizenship data to supplement?
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Post by starbuck on Aug 14, 2019 8:59:52 GMT -6
I've always been left of center, but I keep moving further left as I get older. ETA: So much for one of my asshole uncle's predictions that once I "grew up" I would quit being silly and start voting Republican. How old is your uncle, though? Before the advent of the Tea Party republicans, that prediction was often fairly truly for a lot of people - especially voting fiscally Republican but socially Democratic. Slight spin off, one thing I often wonder about is if the politics most visible with "the Squad", for example, become the norm of the official Dem party, where will moderate Democrats go? Be as without a party as many old-time Republicans now are? I feel generally like a person without a party. The loudest voices are the ones on either end of the spectrum. Finding a candidate who lives in the middle is difficult at best.
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Post by Dr. Cox on Aug 14, 2019 9:09:08 GMT -6
FYI, Shaun King has been accused of pocketing donations. I’m very much not a fan of his anyway, but I think this is an important thread.
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Post by enchanted on Aug 14, 2019 9:11:50 GMT -6
I've always been left of center, but I keep moving further left as I get older. ETA: So much for one of my asshole uncle's predictions that once I "grew up" I would quit being silly and start voting Republican. How old is your uncle, though? Before the advent of the Tea Party republicans, that prediction was often fairly truly for a lot of people - especially voting fiscally Republican but socially Democratic. Slight spin off, one thing I often wonder about is if the politics most visible with "the Squad", for example, become the norm of the official Dem party, where will moderate Democrats go? Be as without a party as many old-time Republicans now are? This was while I was in college, so Bush 43 era and there were Tea Party Republicans out there. This particular uncle, though, has embraced the Tea Party full out. I also no longer have any contact with him for a variety of reasons. ETA: He was in his forties/maybe early 50's at the time he said that.
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Post by enchanted on Aug 14, 2019 9:16:57 GMT -6
greykitty RE: where will moderate Democrats go. I know quite a few, for now, will vote straight ticket Democratic party because the GOP refuses to stand up to 45, but I do wonder what they will do in the future. I see so many harping on how Biden is the best chance the Democrats have. ::insert eyeroll::
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 9:25:17 GMT -6
I used to say I was a left leaning independent but the GOP has gone so, so far right that it would be disingenuous to say I'm anything other than a liberal Democrat. That doesn't mean I would never support a Republican if I saw one with whom I agreed. I just don't see it happening any time soon. Oh really? For some reason I thought you worked for the DP in some capacity. 😄
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Post by greykitty on Aug 14, 2019 9:29:06 GMT -6
greykitty RE: where will moderate Democrats go. I know my mother, for now, will vote straight ticket Democratic party because the GOP refuses to stand up to 45, but I do wonder what she will do in the future. She has always tended more Democratic, but she has always kind of been right in the middle. (Or where the middle used to be before the GOP yanked everything so far to the right.) She keeps harping on how Biden is the best chance the Democrats have. ::insert eyeroll:: Your mom's not the only one thinking that right now, though. That said, I remain amazed that Sanders is still showing reasonable polling numbers, so there's my eye roll. We all have an eye roll for someone!
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Post by jkjacq on Aug 14, 2019 9:30:39 GMT -6
How old is your uncle, though? Before the advent of the Tea Party republicans, that prediction was often fairly truly for a lot of people - especially voting fiscally Republican but socially Democratic. Slight spin off, one thing I often wonder about is if the politics most visible with "the Squad", for example, become the norm of the official Dem party, where will moderate Democrats go? Be as without a party as many old-time Republicans now are? This was while I was in college, so Bush 43 era and there were Tea Party Republicans out there. This particular uncle, though, has embraced the Tea Party full out. I also no longer have any contact with him for a variety of reasons. ETA: He was in his forties/maybe early 50's at the time he said that. Read American Carnage. It delves into this time and the behind the scenes machinations. It also is making me hate Labrador all over again. He was just installed as chair of gop here. Bleh and another reason to vote houseplant in Idaho
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Post by enchanted on Aug 14, 2019 9:53:53 GMT -6
This was while I was in college, so Bush 43 era and there were Tea Party Republicans out there. This particular uncle, though, has embraced the Tea Party full out. I also no longer have any contact with him for a variety of reasons. ETA: He was in his forties/maybe early 50's at the time he said that. Read American Carnage. It delves into this time and the behind the scenes machinations. It also is making me hate Labrador all over again. He was just installed as chair of gop here. Bleh and another reason to vote houseplant in Idaho It's on my list. Thanks!
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Post by cakewench on Aug 14, 2019 10:00:09 GMT -6
Yields on 2 year and 10 year treasury notes have inverted - usually when this happens, recession follows.
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Post by byjove on Aug 14, 2019 10:09:15 GMT -6
I guess the silver lining of a tanking economy is that it favors the challenger in a presidential election?
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Post by starbuck on Aug 14, 2019 10:15:01 GMT -6
I graduated into working during the 2008 recession and very soon after MH was laid off and searched for a job for nearly 2 years before landing something at about 40% of the pay. We survived by the skin of our teeth. Now that we have little kids, I can't tell you how much the idea of another recession spooks me.
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Post by dc2london on Aug 14, 2019 10:19:12 GMT -6
I used to say I was a left leaning independent but the GOP has gone so, so far right that it would be disingenuous to say I'm anything other than a liberal Democrat. That doesn't mean I would never support a Republican if I saw one with whom I agreed. I just don't see it happening any time soon. Oh really? For some reason I thought you worked for the DP in some capacity. 😄 Nope I'm just a general rabble rouser and full time pain in the ass
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Post by summerbabe on Aug 14, 2019 10:30:36 GMT -6
I graduated into working during the 2008 recession and very soon after MH was laid off and searched for a job for nearly 2 years before landing something at about 40% of the pay. We survived by the skin of our teeth. Now that we have little kids, I can't tell you how much the idea of another recession spooks me. I hear you. I graduated from a grad program in 2008, and just... didn't end up pursuing the field because there was a hiring freeze for two years right afterwards. I'm now feeling a little antsy at work and the best thing professionally would be to switch-- but I'm also convinced a recession is coming and with a kid (and a stable job where no one does the same thing...), I don't think the timing is right.
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