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Post by kendylouwho on Jul 30, 2019 5:59:37 GMT -6
I feel like the no-name dog rule has to be based on a situation where someone asked the dog's name, they politely replied, and then this person went on and on about their own dog, or used it as a springboard for other conversations. Who knows. That or there's one truly crazy person that keeps annoying them. Isn't that how it works? Everyone in the HOA is normal except for 3 people, and all these crazy rules get made because of them. Overall it's not a great look, but I have to think there was something that triggered this response given they live in an area with people used to royalty, for the most part. Perhaps, but why not have the security team visit the few crazies rather than punish everyone? If everyone but one or two people are going along with no issues, why target everyone with the rules that they are obeying without knowing?
It's just handled badly. It's a trend with H&M. Normal things are just bungled somehow and then they look bad in the press. I know he probably wants to control how the press cover him, but what they are doing now is just not working. Ruffling feathers left & right is not the way to get the private life they say they want. It's just one more example in a string of mishandled things. I don't know if it's H&M or their team, but someone is getting things wrong.
I think it's their team making these errors. They do want more privacy, which I don't think is totally outrageous. Especially with all they've already had to deal with in the press and being new parents. I just think their team is going about it in not the greatest ways and it reflects on them and doesn't look great.
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Post by betches on Jul 30, 2019 6:03:22 GMT -6
I also think this is unfortunate timing in the sense that Meghan’s on maternity leave, so while Harry is still out working we aren’t seeing regular pictures of them being smiley and happy out at events greeting people to counteract the narrative.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Jul 30, 2019 6:21:38 GMT -6
I feel like the no-name dog rule has to be based on a situation where someone asked the dog's name, they politely replied, and then this person went on and on about their own dog, or used it as a springboard for other conversations. Who knows. That or there's one truly crazy person that keeps annoying them. Isn't that how it works? Everyone in the HOA is normal except for 3 people, and all these crazy rules get made because of them. Overall it's not a great look, but I have to think there was something that triggered this response given they live in an area with people used to royalty, for the most part. Perhaps, but why not have the security team visit the few crazies rather than punish everyone? If everyone but one or two people are going along with no issues, why target everyone with the rules that they are obeying without knowing?
It's just handled badly. It's a trend with H&M. Normal things are just bungled somehow and then they look bad in the press. I know he probably wants to control how the press cover him, but what they are doing now is just not working. Ruffling feathers left & right is not the way to get the private life they say they want. It's just one more example in a string of mishandled things. I don't know if it's H&M or their team, but someone is getting things wrong.
who is being "punished" here? i really don't think they're going to arrest anyone for saying good morning. if they have a neighbor they're friendly with, i'm going to assume - because they're human beings - that they are going to continue to be friendly with them.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 6:36:14 GMT -6
I feel like the no-name dog rule has to be based on a situation where someone asked the dog's name, they politely replied, and then this person went on and on about their own dog, or used it as a springboard for other conversations. Who knows. That or there's one truly crazy person that keeps annoying them. Isn't that how it works? Everyone in the HOA is normal except for 3 people, and all these crazy rules get made because of them. Overall it's not a great look, but I have to think there was something that triggered this response given they live in an area with people used to royalty, for the most part. Perhaps, but why not have the security team visit the few crazies rather than punish everyone? If everyone but one or two people are going along with no issues, why target everyone with the rules that they are obeying without knowing?
It's just handled badly. It's a trend with H&M. Normal things are just bungled somehow and then they look bad in the press. I know he probably wants to control how the press cover him, but what they are doing now is just not working. Ruffling feathers left & right is not the way to get the private life they say they want. It's just one more example in a string of mishandled things. I don't know if it's H&M or their team, but someone is getting things wrong.
1st because if they only went to the crazies TRUST people would be all they are singling people out that mean girl Meghan. Plus you don't fan fire 2nd no one is being punished
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 6:38:44 GMT -6
I will say it again. Meghan is raked through the coals in the media and comments. She has had so many racist and horrible things said about her so I can see her being cautious with crazy. and like maybe said Harry as many have pointed out here has been very private and particular while still fulfilling his JOB. I also 100% believe that H&M had no idea that this was happening and that they are handling things behind the scenes
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 6:39:22 GMT -6
Prince Edward rides the subway??! He married Sophie who is the best so i am not shocked
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Post by hawkward on Jul 30, 2019 6:59:47 GMT -6
I can totally see innocent things getting accidentally blown out of proportion by a well-intentioned but misguided employee. For example, my dog is a total asshole. Not in a mean way, but in a "we've spent a crap ton of time and money on training and he still can't stop excited barking at strangers who touch him" kind of way. When people pet him he gets so excited he barks at them, and he's a beagle (formerly a hunting dog), so the guy can BARK. He's also ridiculously cute so every time we take him out, people ask to pet him and questions about him, and 99% of the time, I (nicely) ask that people leave him alone. If I could pay someone to tell the world to leave my dog the eff alone, I totally would. Plus, once again everyone is talking about some silly thing that H&M did and not creepy Andy in Epstein's black book...
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Post by ouijabored on Jul 30, 2019 7:02:08 GMT -6
I don't know that I believe fully the Harry/Meghan thing. I could see if they were getting swarmed a lot their security saying something, but I just can't see them sending people out to tell people not to ask about Archie. The thing that’s weird to me is they aren’t living in some random neighborhood with regular people. Everyone who lives there is somehow royal adjacent, including Charles’ old nanny and the Queen’s dresser so it’s people who know how to act around high ranking royals. I know we’ve heard before of a staff member handing out pointers for how to act around Will and Kate when they were on tour or something and meeting people in a little more intimate settings than a walk about. I could see how a staffer might think this is the same, but it come across wrong to their neighbors. I also think it’s weird that BP confirmed it happened and didn’t try to clarify further except to say Meghan and Harry were unaware of it until after the meeting Anyways, here’s the full list of rules for anyone who doesn’t want to read the article. I will admit the babysitting thing made me laugh, as if something would just pop up and they would need to ask a neighbor to watch their kid for a couple hours Don’t approach or instigate conversation if you see the Royal couple Do say ‘Good Morning’ or some other pleasantry if they speak to you Don’t pet or stroke their dogs, even if they come over to you Don’t offer to walk their dogs Don’t ask to see baby Archie or offer to babysit Don’t post anything through the letterbox of Frogmore Cottage This part actually may have been why these people got so offended. Maybe they think it should be assumed that they already know how to act around royals. In general, I think it was probably well intentioned and that the staff were just trying to create a protective bubble around Harry and Meghan so that they can relax and truly let their guard down at home. They have to be so "on" all the time in public and they get an unwarranted amount of shit from the press and Meghan's family already. I can see why that might make them ferociously protective of their privacy, especially when it comes to Archie. The thing is, if you're going to do something like this, it has to be with an extremely light touch. "Here are some suggestions for how to address the Duke and Duchess, should the need arise," not heavy handed instructions. "Don't pet or stroke their dogs, even if they come over to you" is the only one I see as being truly weird. The others are more standard behavior for how to interact with major world wide celebrities. And yeah they probably should have assumed that Charles's old nanny and the Queen's former dresser know that they shouldn't approach Harry and Meghan unless they are spoken to first.
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Post by beatch on Jul 30, 2019 7:03:50 GMT -6
I feel like the no-name dog rule has to be based on a situation where someone asked the dog's name, they politely replied, and then this person went on and on about their own dog, or used it as a springboard for other conversations. Who knows. That or there's one truly crazy person that keeps annoying them. Isn't that how it works? Everyone in the HOA is normal except for 3 people, and all these crazy rules get made because of them. Overall it's not a great look, but I have to think there was something that triggered this response given they live in an area with people used to royalty, for the most part. Perhaps, but why not have the security team visit the few crazies rather than punish everyone? If everyone but one or two people are going along with no issues, why target everyone with the rules that they are obeying without knowing?
It's just handled badly. It's a trend with H&M. Normal things are just bungled somehow and then they look bad in the press. I know he probably wants to control how the press cover him, but what they are doing now is just not working. Ruffling feathers left & right is not the way to get the private life they say they want. It's just one more example in a string of mishandled things. I don't know if it's H&M or their team, but someone is getting things wrong.
I guess I'm a bit confused because the press release from the palace said they weren't aware of the actions? So either they don't know this happened, or they're lying? Overall they definitely need to tighten things up. I wouldn't be surprised if there are similar behind-the-scenes stories for Will + Kate, but those don't get out. Also no one is being punished here. LOL. Bunch of rich people up in arms because they can't ask the dog's name. I wish I had those problems.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Jul 30, 2019 7:06:27 GMT -6
www.vogue.co.uk/article/prince-harry-jane-goodall-september-2019-issueHRH The Duke of Sussex Interviews Dr Jane Goodall For The September Issue It’s the same as an unconscious bias – something which so many people don’t understand, why they feel the way that they do. Despite the fact that if you go up to someone and say, “What you’ve just said, or the way that you’ve behaved, is racist” – they’ll turn around and say, “I’m not a racist.” “I’m not saying that you’re a racist, I’m just saying that your unconscious bias is proving that, because of the way that you’ve been brought up, the environment you’ve been brought up in, suggests that you have this point of view – unconscious point of view – where naturally you will look at someone in a different way.” And that is the point at which people start to have to understand. Kids are taught to hate. They are actually taught to hate.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 7:06:59 GMT -6
Perhaps, but why not have the security team visit the few crazies rather than punish everyone? If everyone but one or two people are going along with no issues, why target everyone with the rules that they are obeying without knowing?
It's just handled badly. It's a trend with H&M. Normal things are just bungled somehow and then they look bad in the press. I know he probably wants to control how the press cover him, but what they are doing now is just not working. Ruffling feathers left & right is not the way to get the private life they say they want. It's just one more example in a string of mishandled things. I don't know if it's H&M or their team, but someone is getting things wrong.
I guess I'm a bit confused because the press release from the palace said they weren't aware of the actions? So either they don't know this happened, or they're lying? Overall they definitely need to tighten things up. I wouldn't be surprised if there are similar behind-the-scenes stories for Will + Kate, but those don't get out. Also no one is being punished here. LOL. Bunch of rich people up in arms because they can't ask the dog's name. I wish I had those problems. Ding Ding Ding
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 7:07:59 GMT -6
I love that Harry was also involved in the magazine issue. It again shows that he supports Meghan.
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Post by ouijabored on Jul 30, 2019 7:09:32 GMT -6
The optics are bad but...if I had the power to make a list of ways in which people are not allowed to make chit-chat with me, I would be so tempted. haha, yes, especially if I had to be so "on" all the time in my job and the epitome of charm itself whenever speaking to a member of the public. The other way to look at this is, they just want some down time at home. She wants to be able to walk her dog in peace without worrying that the Queen's old dresser is going to think she's rude and snobby (and tell other people that and for that gossip to potentially get out to the press) for not wanting to stop and chat about the weather or what Archie is up to for ten minutes.
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Post by beatch on Jul 30, 2019 7:10:25 GMT -6
The thing is the media is super-thirsty for anything that makes Meghan look bad.
Look how many papers jumped on that story about the woman at Wimbledon...and it turned out she wasn't even sitting near Meghan and her friends. And her story kept changing. But that didn't stop multiple papers and sources from putting out her unverified story. And then the damage is already done.
I don't blame them for being super cautious.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 7:10:39 GMT -6
I am further in my Andrew is the "source" of all these stories.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 7:11:44 GMT -6
The thing is the media is super-thirsty for anything that makes Meghan look bad. Look how many papers jumped on that story about the woman at Wimbledon...and it turned out she wasn't even sitting near Meghan and her friends. And her story kept changing. But that didn't stop multiple papers and sources from putting out her unverified story. I don't blame them for being super cautious. or the selfie guy who looked like he was taking a picture of her. They jumped to show that she was being a diva and he was just taking a selfie. Still don't believe that it is so easy to hit a button and make it look that way
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Post by ouijabored on Jul 30, 2019 7:16:16 GMT -6
not touching their secretly named dog even after it comes up to you is the most ridiculous thing i think i've ever read. Maybe walk it on your own 1000 acres or keep it leashed close if you don't want anyone touching your precious Really! Most friendly dogs that come up to strangers, or even some friends, need to be touched if only to gets them away from the person. I have had to put my hands on dogs to them down, or shove them with my hip to push them away from me. It's not uncommon. If state-secret-named-dog is that kind of dog, I am not going to resist my urge to reclaim my personal space until I find out whose dog it is.
I really don't know if the rules came from the palace or the couple, but it's not a good look and it's not likely to make people who live around them be any more forgiving of the situation -- people who lived there FIRST. Most people do not move into a neighborhood and start handing out rules on how to deal with themselves. I've only had that done once, but that was because the family moving in had a deaf child and they were going to get signs put up on the street and wanted neighbors to be aware that there may be a deaf child in the street. That's a totally different situation than the H&M rules.
If I'm reading it right, it sounds like these people were pre-screened to live on the Queen's property. They're not "regular" people who just happened to buy a house near Harry and Meghan's. Giving a list like that to regular people would be shocking and appalling. But these are people who are royal adjacent already and know the deal. Most of them probably get reduced rent too (the "grace and favor" apartments). I'm sure that there is some rule that servants at BP don't speak to the Queen or issues pleasantries until she acknowledges them and speaks to them first.
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Post by hawkward on Jul 30, 2019 7:18:35 GMT -6
I am further in my Andrew is the "source" of all these stories. Who better to throw under the bus than the WOC who is already questioned over everything and isn't in direct line to the throne?
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Post by greykitty on Jul 30, 2019 7:20:09 GMT -6
Meh - I suspect all of the Obama's old neighbors in Chicago got some 'pointers' on what increased security was going to be like when the family was at home. To me, this is similar and the only think I'm askance at is it leaking in such an negative manner. No NDA's signed by the staff these days?
And, yeah, if I'm security and someone bops up to my protectee to pet their dog, I've not just standing around smiling happily.
ETA - and to be fair, I'm all for Barron Trump getting all the privacy they can manage. Hate the father, but leave the kid alone. For the most part the press seems to observe that, but I bet anything the SS has had to talk to school staff and neighbors at times.
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Post by cakewench on Jul 30, 2019 7:20:41 GMT -6
I can totally see innocent things getting accidentally blown out of proportion by a well-intentioned but misguided employee. For example, my dog is a total asshole. Not in a mean way, but in a "we've spent a crap ton of time and money on training and he still can't stop excited barking at strangers who touch him" kind of way. When people pet him he gets so excited he barks at them, and he's a beagle (formerly a hunting dog), so the guy can BARK. He's also ridiculously cute so every time we take him out, people ask to pet him and questions about him, and 99% of the time, I (nicely) ask that people leave him alone. If I could pay someone to tell the world to leave my dog the eff alone, I totally would. Plus, once again everyone is talking about some silly thing that H&M did and not creepy Andy in Epstein's black book... A+ gif usage
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 7:21:04 GMT -6
I am further in my Andrew is the "source" of all these stories. Who better to throw under the bus than the WOC who is already questioned over everything and isn't in direct line to the throne? Yep. People already don't trust her ( I was on the fence about her intentions at first too I will admit) so why not portray her as a diva taking away Harry from the public.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 7:21:36 GMT -6
Meh - I suspect all of the Obama's old neighbors in Chicago got some 'pointers' on what increased security was going to be like when the family was at home. To me, this is similar and the only think I'm askance at is it leaking in such an negative manner. No NDA's signed by the staff these days? And, yeah, if I'm security and someone bops up to my protectee to pet their dog, I've not just standing around smiling happily. My guess is that a "neighbor" leaked it
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Post by greykitty on Jul 30, 2019 7:24:05 GMT -6
Meh - I suspect all of the Obama's old neighbors in Chicago got some 'pointers' on what increased security was going to be like when the family was at home. To me, this is similar and the only think I'm askance at is it leaking in such an negative manner. No NDA's signed by the staff these days? And, yeah, if I'm security and someone bops up to my protectee to pet their dog, I've not just standing around smiling happily. My guess is that a "neighbor" leaked it I bet you're right - and I hope security double checks everyone again.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 7:24:24 GMT -6
If you require so much privacy that your dog is not to be approached and your child’s name shall not be mentioned to you, maybe a life other than one in the public eye is not for you. This is where I am. If you want a private life, fine, have a private life away from the media/cameras. But you can't be in the public eye and have a private life at the same time.
And the "rules" whether they came form the palace, staff, or the couple, are insane. People say hi when they pass people in the road, a cheerful "good morning" with or a wave is common courtesy when you see people, even if you don't know them. It's like saying "excuse me" when you bump into people or holding the elevator doors when you see people coming. If someone can't handle that, they need to stay on their own property away from the road.
But in the blinds thread people say all the time that they do deserve to have their private life be private which I agree with. Celebrities are people too and while their job is to be in the public when their job for the day is over they should be able to go home put on yoga pants with no makeup and walk around the neighborhood
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Post by betches on Jul 30, 2019 7:31:38 GMT -6
This is where I am. If you want a private life, fine, have a private life away from the media/cameras. But you can't be in the public eye and have a private life at the same time.
And the "rules" whether they came form the palace, staff, or the couple, are insane. People say hi when they pass people in the road, a cheerful "good morning" with or a wave is common courtesy when you see people, even if you don't know them. It's like saying "excuse me" when you bump into people or holding the elevator doors when you see people coming. If someone can't handle that, they need to stay on their own property away from the road.
But in the blinds thread people say all the time that they do deserve to have their private life be private which I agree with. Celebrities are people too and while their job is to be in the public when their job for the day is over they should be able to go home put on yoga pants with no makeup and walk around the neighborhood I fully believe the royals deserve their privacy, but they rely on public goodwill so much more than a regular celebrity. I mean, we all know Mariah is a complete diva and probably miserable to work for but she can sing so we don’t mind and even embrace it. The royals really only have their public persona to trade on so they have to appear likable to gain support for their causes.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 30, 2019 7:33:08 GMT -6
But in the blinds thread people say all the time that they do deserve to have their private life be private which I agree with. Celebrities are people too and while their job is to be in the public when their job for the day is over they should be able to go home put on yoga pants with no makeup and walk around the neighborhood I fully believe the royals deserve their privacy, but they rely on public goodwill so much more than a regular celebrity. I mean, we all know Mariah is a complete diva and probably miserable to work for but she can sing so we don’t mind and even embrace it. The royals really only have their public persona to trade on so they have to appear likable to gain support for their causes. And they do when they are in public. When they are walking down the street no. If the public doesn't want to support my cause that is changing lives because I told them to not pet my dog then that is just sad
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Post by tgrimes on Jul 30, 2019 7:34:22 GMT -6
*snip Plus, once again everyone is talking about some silly thing that H&M did and not creepy Andy in Epstein's black book... The palace probably strategically placed this story so no one will be talking about Prince Andrew.
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Post by greykitty on Jul 30, 2019 7:40:27 GMT -6
I can't believe people are all up in arms that members of the Royal Family, who no doubt are threatened every day as are way too many people in the public eye, have strict security wherever they are. For the love of god, look at some of the deaths in Harry's immediate family, even beyond Diana. You think Harry ever forgets that?
Again, the only thing I'm appalled by is the leakage. If I were security chief, I'd so be finding that leak right now and someone might be changing homes in haste.
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Post by byjove on Jul 30, 2019 8:18:15 GMT -6
So when does this issue of Vogue hit shelves? And how hard is it going to be to get?
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Post by ArielMermaid on Jul 30, 2019 8:27:05 GMT -6
So when does this issue of Vogue hit shelves? And how hard is it going to be to get? August 2nd
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