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Post by athn64 on May 3, 2019 21:16:40 GMT -6
Wanda is still and will always be my favorite. I love her fight with Thanos. She'd have kept dominating if he hadn't shot rockets at her.
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Post by athn64 on May 3, 2019 21:18:24 GMT -6
i also managed to keep myself entirely unspoiled going in. It took a lot of effort though.
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Post by athn64 on May 3, 2019 21:19:27 GMT -6
Oh god yes. I want Morgan to have her daddy back! I was pretty prepared for Tony to die. I didn't really think he was going to make it out of this movie. I was NOT prepared for him to leave a little girl behind. Yeah. Definitely. All of the original Avengers were reaching conclusions of some sort. I kind of expected Cap to die too. but I'm glad he got a different kind of closure.
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Post by mischief on May 3, 2019 21:20:04 GMT -6
I assume that even if Cap did stay on the DL in the past I think he would still talk to Stark. So perhaps Howard made the new shield. I like the thought of Howard being reunited with Steve. I have the new shield being made by Shuri while she rolled her eyes. Steve made a stop in Wakanda, explained everything to them, and then came back to sit on the bench. The end. Oooh I really like that too. Im down.
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Post by athn64 on May 3, 2019 21:22:56 GMT -6
He's still in the ice of course. Peggy was more than capable of keeping that all to herself for sure. As long as they don't encounter each other, there's no paradox. So they just purposely didn't take him out of the ice or something? They couldn't. Like Steve marrying Peggy was something that always happened within that timeline. Which is how he was able to come back in the future instead of being in an entirely different one. So he wouldn't have been able to take himself out of the ice because it would change that future, like how he couldn't save Bucky. Captain America reappearing where and when he did shaped much of the next 7 years. From the fall fo SHIELD and the Accords and all that. And Peggy would understand because he would explain it all to her.
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Post by athn64 on May 3, 2019 21:28:06 GMT -6
They couldn't. Like Steve marrying Peggy was something that always happened within that timeline. Which is how he was able to come back in the future instead of being in an entirely different one. So he wouldn't have been able to take himself out of the ice because it would change that future, like how he couldn't save Bucky. Captain America reappearing where and when he did shaped much of the next 7 years. From the fall fo SHIELD and the Accords and all that. And Peggy would understand because he would explain it all to her. My head hurts. So Steve still wanted to come back and pass the mantle on to Sam after he lived his life out. In order to do that, in his current time line, his past had to remain intact. His past (even the future part of it) would still be his past. But if he wanted his actual future to include seeing Sam and Bucky again, he needed to preserve that past in the time he was living. Taking himself out of the ice earlier would have spun the time line he was living in a new direction, making it so that he never met Sam or been an Avenger with everyone in the new timeline. So therefore his future would have been different than Sam and Bucky's. He wouldn't have been able to come back without using the time travel device, which he obviously did.
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Post by pianolove on May 4, 2019 5:14:56 GMT -6
Oooo so of Loki disappeared, and they had to go further in time to get the tesseract, did Loki just save his own life? Since mcu is not treating time travel as wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey and instead as more of a linear travel, which would make the timeline look like: time machine used > 2012 failure > Loki disappears > 1970 success, and he disappeared "before" they got the stone? Edited because conflicting statements because I am always a stream of consciousness But this happened during the heist of the mind stone. So they would be undoing that as well, making none of the heisting happen. ETA, the thought here that I'm having is that Bruce said they would be returning them to the exact second they left, restoring the timeline. Making the alternate timelines verge away from the real one. The only thing I can think is that shouldn't have any effect on it because when they took the mind stone, all of those people and events were happening elsewhere anyway. There wasn't any action made to influence the tesseract in either timeline (the original line or the heist line) during the mind stone heist. I think if the mind stone heist happened and then directly influenced the space stone heist (as in the same line of events) then I would say yeah Loki's disappearing act would be undone. But Steve took the scepter separately from antman and tony losing the tesseract
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Post by bonzo on May 4, 2019 8:36:35 GMT -6
Still processing so many thoughts. But omg that was a tear jerking but fitting conclusion to the arc.
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Post by RajahMD on May 4, 2019 9:22:53 GMT -6
Still processing so many thoughts. But omg that was a tear jerking but fitting conclusion to the arc. We're here for you. If you need to process out loud, go for it.
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Post by mischief on May 4, 2019 15:00:24 GMT -6
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Post by bonzo on May 4, 2019 17:48:43 GMT -6
I’m still broken up by Natasha. I was expecting Tony, so while I cried at the way they did the funeral and everything, I’m not upset. But Natasha...
DH and I have used many pieces of paper to draw out the timeline loops. The time travel theory they used actually makes sense, but it did need some drawing out to keep it all straight!
Overall, I think it was really good. It feels complete. Like, I’d almost be ok if they just stopped now. They won’t, because Disney/Marvel knows they can basically continue to print money with the franchise. But they could, and it wouldn’t feel wrong.
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Post by RajahMD on May 4, 2019 18:41:41 GMT -6
I’m still broken up by Natasha. I was expecting Tony, so while I cried at the way they did the funeral and everything, I’m not upset. But Natasha... DH and I have used many pieces of paper to draw out the timeline loops. The time travel theory they used actually makes sense, but it did need some drawing out to keep it all straight! Overall, I think it was really good. It feels complete. Like, I’d almost be ok if they just stopped now. They won’t, because Disney/Marvel knows they can basically continue to print money with the franchise. But they could, and it wouldn’t feel wrong. *pats bench* Welcome to the Natasha Memorial Club. Day 9: Still not ok.
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2019 18:45:18 GMT -6
I’m still broken up by Natasha. I was expecting Tony, so while I cried at the way they did the funeral and everything, I’m not upset. But Natasha... DH and I have used many pieces of paper to draw out the timeline loops. The time travel theory they used actually makes sense, but it did need some drawing out to keep it all straight! Overall, I think it was really good. It feels complete. Like, I’d almost be ok if they just stopped now. They won’t, because Disney/Marvel knows they can basically continue to print money with the franchise. But they could, and it wouldn’t feel wrong. I want some more lesser known heroes to get some screen time too. I will continue to see Marvel movies as long as they make them. I'll be that 90 year old in the theater
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Post by RajahMD on May 4, 2019 18:54:56 GMT -6
I’m still broken up by Natasha. I was expecting Tony, so while I cried at the way they did the funeral and everything, I’m not upset. But Natasha... DH and I have used many pieces of paper to draw out the timeline loops. The time travel theory they used actually makes sense, but it did need some drawing out to keep it all straight! Overall, I think it was really good. It feels complete. Like, I’d almost be ok if they just stopped now. They won’t, because Disney/Marvel knows they can basically continue to print money with the franchise. But they could, and it wouldn’t feel wrong. I want some more lesser known heroes to get some screen time too. I will continue to see Marvel movies as long as they make them. I'll be that 90 year old in the theater I think Phase 4 is set to include a fair number of lesser known heroes, in addition to the planned sequels (and prequel). I'm excited to see where things go from here.
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Post by clairefraser on May 4, 2019 20:28:19 GMT -6
I’m going to see it again tomorrow with my kids and dad. Excited to see what I might have missed the first time.
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Post by beesquared on May 5, 2019 2:08:09 GMT -6
This is my head cannon about what happened to Nat: when Cap put the soul stone back she was returned. Cap went to 1970's Peggy and got closure when he returned that stone and she continued with her happy life. Nat and Cap got married and had an amazing life together. She's still alive in 2024, but also old like Cap.
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Post by pianolove on May 5, 2019 7:46:02 GMT -6
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Post by RajahMD on May 5, 2019 8:03:02 GMT -6
While this is very sweet, I question the timeline. Pepper wasn't pregnant to our knowledge during Infinity War. So she was either very early in the pregnancy, or Morgan was conceived after Tony's rescue. Either way, Morgan would be at most like 3 months old. This story reads more like an older infant, not a practically newborn. Yes, I have clearly spent way too much time thinking about this.
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Post by bonzo on May 5, 2019 8:05:06 GMT -6
I’m still broken up by Natasha. I was expecting Tony, so while I cried at the way they did the funeral and everything, I’m not upset. But Natasha... DH and I have used many pieces of paper to draw out the timeline loops. The time travel theory they used actually makes sense, but it did need some drawing out to keep it all straight! Overall, I think it was really good. It feels complete. Like, I’d almost be ok if they just stopped now. They won’t, because Disney/Marvel knows they can basically continue to print money with the franchise. But they could, and it wouldn’t feel wrong. I want some more lesser known heroes to get some screen time too. I will continue to see Marvel movies as long as they make them. I'll be that 90 year old in the theater Oh, yes! I’m excited for who will get developed in Phase 4 and beyond. As long as they continue to be just as good, I’ll be happy to keep going.
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Post by bonzo on May 5, 2019 8:06:12 GMT -6
This is my head cannon about what happened to Nat: when Cap put the soul stone back she was returned. Cap went to 1970's Peggy and got closure when he returned that stone and she continued with her happy life. Nat and Cap got married and had an amazing life together. She's still alive in 2024, but also old like Cap. I think I could be ok with this.
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Post by pianolove on May 5, 2019 8:12:00 GMT -6
While this is very sweet, I question the timeline. Pepper wasn't pregnant to our knowledge during Infinity War. So she was either very early in the pregnancy, or Morgan was conceived after Tony's rescue. Either way, Morgan would be at most like 3 months old. This story reads more like an older infant, not a practically newborn. Yes, I have clearly spent way too much time thinking about this. Shhhhh just enjoy it But I can see tony, as an excited FTD, babyproofing his entire house the day she was born. Hell I can see him doing the nesting phase instead of pepper "hey pep do you like this white crib, the oak crib, or the mahogany crib?" "They're all nice" "no but which one?!11?" And building her a nanotech mobile while pepper was still pregnant
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Post by RajahMD on May 5, 2019 8:24:25 GMT -6
While this is very sweet, I question the timeline. Pepper wasn't pregnant to our knowledge during Infinity War. So she was either very early in the pregnancy, or Morgan was conceived after Tony's rescue. Either way, Morgan would be at most like 3 months old. This story reads more like an older infant, not a practically newborn. Yes, I have clearly spent way too much time thinking about this. Shhhhh just enjoy it But I can see tony, as an excited FTD, babyproofing his entire house the day she was born. Hell I can see him doing the nesting phase instead of pepper "hey pep do you like this white crib, the oak crib, or the mahogany crib?" "They're all nice" "no but which one?!11?" And building her a nanotech mobile while pepper was still pregnant Now this I can get behind.
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Post by greykitty on May 5, 2019 14:24:09 GMT -6
I went into Best Buy last week to look at new TVs (my current is currently an antique and streaming is a logistical nightmare). I kind of figured the sales rep might ask why I'm thinking of upgrading so they could figure out which way to point me price and quality wise. I just blurted out that I have to be ready for Disney+ and Falcon and Winter Soldier.
Fortuitously, my sales rep and his wife had just seen Endgame and his wife in particular is a Bucky fan. Sales rep so helpful!
I'm currently awaiting delivery and set up of my lovely new 55 inch Sony smart TV, sound bar, etc etc etc. So much for that new patio door this month! LOL
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Post by greykitty on May 5, 2019 14:46:54 GMT -6
And now I'm watching Antman and just hit the scene where Sam Wilson 'meets' Scott Lang. And just started giggling thinking of Scott's expression when introduced to the new Captain America. I mean, Scott totally won that first encounter with Sam!
Then got sad thinking of Scott's reaction to realizing 'his' Cap isn't coming back. Then got sad thinking of all the weight that's hitting Sam's shoulders now, and who's going to support him? No Tony, no Natasha, maybe Cliff and Bruce will be opting out of active hero-ing (who knows about Clint's tv show!)
Then thought that, well, Bucky sure as heck knows how to handle the shield, but how much might it hurt to pass that skill along, but he always followed that kid from Brooklyn and I think it's clear he approves, and maybe participated in, Steve's decision about returning to the past and passing that 'new' shield to Sam.
Then wondered what Falcon & Winter Soldier will involve, and if Sam gets a new code name in that show right away - I read something about a 'spy thriller' concept. Then started spiraling down a million what-if's of the transition to Phase 4. I'm cautiously eager to see all sorts of new characters, and I really like Carol Danvers so far, but then I think what a lonely new world it may be for so many of our Phase 3 heroes, even in the midst of victory over Thanos. Sniff.....
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Post by RajahMD on May 5, 2019 16:25:28 GMT -6
I went into Best Buy last week to look at new TVs (my current is currently an antique and streaming is a logistical nightmare). I kind of figured the sales rep might ask why I'm thinking of upgrading so they could figure out which way to point me price and quality wise. I just blurted out that I have to be ready for Disney+ and Falcon and Winter Soldier. Fortuitously, my sales rep and his wife had just seen Endgame and his wife in particular is a Bucky fan. Sales rep so helpful! I'm currently awaiting delivery and set up of my lovely new 55 inch Sony smart TV, sound bar, etc etc etc. So much for that new patio door this month! LOL Priorities!
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Post by sheilathetank on May 5, 2019 18:01:20 GMT -6
I'm a million years late and I haven't read. I saw it today. I knew from Tapatalk timeline automatic previews of memes from this thread who died 😒. I didn't know he had a daughter. When I saw he had a kid DDs age I turned to MH and said "oh fuck, I'm going to cry like a little bitch at the end of this." Sure enough I lost it during the hamburger conversation.
I loved the movie and for once Pepper Potts wasn't a complete fucking waste of life.
Any theories on where they are going with tuna fish boy?
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Post by Bookshelves on May 5, 2019 18:10:41 GMT -6
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Post by Bookshelves on May 5, 2019 18:20:29 GMT -6
And does Loki survive since he escaped with the Tesserect? Or does he still die by Thanos in the future? I was confused that he just wasn't shown anymore after that scene. That's my theory. They definitely open up the possibility that Loki is still alive I hope the finger snap also transports Tom Hiddleston and his career IRL to before he got Taylor Swifted
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Post by Bookshelves on May 5, 2019 19:43:35 GMT -6
i also managed to keep myself entirely unspoiled going in. It took a lot of effort though. saaame, it has been a long couple weeks! 😅
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Post by RajahMD on May 6, 2019 6:55:36 GMT -6
I'm a million years late and I haven't read. I saw it today. I knew from Tapatalk timeline automatic previews of memes from this thread who died 😒. I didn't know he had a daughter. When I saw he had a kid DDs age I turned to MH and said "oh fuck, I'm going to cry like a little bitch at the end of this." Sure enough I lost it during the hamburger conversation. I loved the movie and for once Pepper Potts wasn't a complete fucking waste of life. Any theories on where they are going with tuna fish boy? Sorry about the spoilers. Tuna fish boy? Not sure who you're referring to.
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