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Post by doublestuf on Mar 11, 2019 20:04:37 GMT -6
@heartbot, you doing okay? Haven't seen you around as much lately.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Mar 12, 2019 0:23:35 GMT -6
Advisory circulars are not suggestions, they have to be complied with and proof of compliance is required. We have to remember that the FAA only exists in America and the NTSB also only exists in America. Ethiopian and Lion Air have different training and compliance procedures than we do.
I obviously have way less knowledge of this than you. But there was an interview (anonymous) with a pilot from a major European airline after the Lion Air crash who said that based on what had been learned about the cause, it absolutely could have happened to him or any other pilot in Europe, and I tend to think that Western European pilots are trained as well as US ones? But I'm reading from your responses that you don't think this could happen on a US airline bc of pilot training and the knowledge about the MCAS problems that now exists? I live in Europe and fly semi-regularly to the US, and I've got a horrible fear of flying, so just trying to understand what exactly the problem here is (mostly pilot training, little bit the system; mostly the system but pilot training plays a minor role etc.).
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Post by FlightView on Mar 12, 2019 0:35:34 GMT -6
crimsonandclover I know pilots and crew comment on accidents in that manor and they’re not wrong. I know it sounded like I meant US pilots are better trained. I did mean that, but it’s dependent on airline. For example, some Russian airlines are banned from countries (including US) because they’re known to be unsafe. I have limited knowledge in European aviation but I do know ALL (not some) airline insurance is bought there, so they must have as high or higher standards than the US. ETA: it’s not that I don’t think it could happen in the US, I think it could have. I do think because of the two accidents, aviation everywhere is highly aware and focusing on making sure it doesn’t happen again, anywhere. Unfortunately, aviation regulations are written in blood. The last US commercial flight with fatalities (Colgan 2009) brought on a lot of regulations on pilot hours and rest requirements that dramatically changed training and hiring processes.
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Post by fatpony on Mar 12, 2019 5:11:45 GMT -6
I had no idea this was how fake engagement worked.
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Post by JukEboX on Mar 12, 2019 5:15:22 GMT -6
Also I have been deep in a West Wing re-watch lately. This is me after each Trump briefing.
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Post by JukEboX on Mar 12, 2019 5:24:21 GMT -6
Boeing has a lot to answer to, yes. I’m interested in seeing the NTSB report. The First Officer on the ET302 is rumored to have 200 flight hours, which is extremely low. If they were in a stall and didn’t let MCAS engage because they weren’t trained properly, then why ground aircraft of pilots that are now very, very aware of this problem and how to mitigate the risk? Welcome new person
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Post by Uncaripswife on Mar 12, 2019 5:48:05 GMT -6
The FAA urged Boeing to create a fix for the 737-Max 8 and 9 aircraft because to put it simply, the nose pitches downward dramatically. So, Boeing did create a fix even though they wanted to provide additional training. The fix, which is called MCAS (movement characteristics augmentation system) prompted the FAA to run an emergency advisory circular, which means operators have to comply with the fix within 3 days. The MCAS is what is suspected of causing the accidents in my aviation circle. As far as I know, there is no actual fix to MCAS. The advisory circular just explains to pilots how to disengage MCAS in the event a faulty sensor automatically forces the plane to go nose-down. Not only is the process for disengaging this completely different from all previous 737 systems, different from all training 737 pilots have received, and an advisory circular is probably insufficient training to get pilots to recognize and respond to the issue quickly enough, BUT ALSO there are concerns that because it's a 3-step process to disengage, and the nose-down response happens very quickly and repeatedly, even trained pilots may not be able to recognize and respond quickly enough to avoid a stall. Pilots are concerned. I've seen at least one pilot on a crew board say based on the report, he thinks the flight crew back in the October crash WAS trying to go through the steps to disengage MCAS but just didn't have enough time. I don't think Boeing has taken this seriously enough, and frankly, I question if the response would have been different if either of these crashes had happened on US or European airlines. I know virtually nothing about how planes actually work, but I very much feel that Boeing hasn't done enough. And I'm freaked out that in less than 2 weeks I have to get on a series of flights. I need to go check which type of plane I'll be on, but I'm kind of scared.
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 12, 2019 6:01:21 GMT -6
Apparently the faa is stating the planes are safe and the changes made to this model were made at their behest?
So I was wrong about the others grounding. But it looks like a lot of non American Airlines are grounding theirs.
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Post by JukEboX on Mar 12, 2019 6:56:20 GMT -6
And now some words from Tucker Carlson that ended his monologue to his "Opinion" show.
What an ass hat.
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Post by enchanted on Mar 12, 2019 7:11:10 GMT -6
Apparently Cheney took Pence to task for 45's shitty foreign policy.
I never thought I would be happy to see that soulless being giving hell to someone else. He's still a shit person, though.
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Post by lemondrop on Mar 12, 2019 7:16:58 GMT -6
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Post by cakewench on Mar 12, 2019 7:31:28 GMT -6
Mitt got a cake made out of Twinkies for his birthday:
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 7:46:12 GMT -6
A confederate statue is removed in North Carolina this morning.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 7:55:17 GMT -6
UK made the call to ground the Boeing plane.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 12, 2019 7:59:34 GMT -6
Mitt Romney *is* a cake made out of Twinkies.
Also, he had no idea how to interact with a birthday cake. How does he so consistently not know how to person?
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 12, 2019 8:06:32 GMT -6
Mitt Romney *is* a cake made out of Twinkies. Also, he had no idea how to interact with a birthday cake. How does he so consistently not know how to person? Lol remember when he was photographed at dinner with Trump and he looked like he was trying to figure out how to shed his skin so he could get away? I die. Peak Romney. Well, besides having binders full of women.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 12, 2019 8:10:01 GMT -6
Auntie Maxine is about to have a go at the CEO of Wells Fargo. This will be good.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 12, 2019 8:14:55 GMT -6
Auntie Maxine is about to have a go at the CEO of Wells Fargo. This will be good. Thank you for previewing my cspan watching. Lol.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 12, 2019 8:16:54 GMT -6
Meghan McCain teamed up with Ben Sasse to write a WaPo op ed on the fake crisis of “infanticide”. It got roasted on twitter but it’s so infuriating that it was even published.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 12, 2019 8:20:41 GMT -6
Of course they did.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 8:23:51 GMT -6
The World Wide Web turns dirty thirty.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 8:24:57 GMT -6
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Post by jaygee on Mar 12, 2019 8:26:54 GMT -6
POTUS is....not helping this plane situation.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 12, 2019 8:27:21 GMT -6
@heartbot , you doing okay? Haven't seen you around as much lately. My job has been bananas, and I'm trying to get a romance novel published by summer. Busy, but doing alright! I've been checking in to see what's going on but haven't had much time to comment. We wrapped a project on Friday, though, so I have time on my hands again. You are a rock star!!
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 8:36:32 GMT -6
Lol I love this.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 8:38:35 GMT -6
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Post by oreobitsy on Mar 12, 2019 8:39:30 GMT -6
Mitt can't be serious with how he blew out his candles. He is so out of touch.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 8:39:33 GMT -6
Last one. I like this.
"The web turns 30 today, but it's still not world wide."
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Post by jaygee on Mar 12, 2019 8:39:37 GMT -6
Meghan McCain teamed up with Ben Sasse to write a WaPo op ed on the fake crisis of “infanticide”. It got roasted on twitter but it’s so infuriating that it was even published. I refuse to read the article, but this piece does a great job of explaining why it's bullshit. McCain and Sasse are completely inventing a problem that doesn't exist AND attacking parents who elect to give birth and provide hospice care to brand new babies with health issues that are impossible to correct in order for the child to survive any length of time. The goal of such hospice care is to limit pain and suffering. Its a choice families make all the time around terminally ill family members, and it is absolutely HORRIFYING to term it infanticide. McCain, Sasse, and the entire right ramping up this outrageous false rhetoric are going to get people killed. That’s why I wouldn’t link the article. I refuse. It’s really upsetting me how far they are taking this “infanticide” line. It is going to get someone killed and it is a horrible insult to the people how have walked these path as parents and medical providers.
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Post by oreobitsy on Mar 12, 2019 8:42:46 GMT -6
The World Wide Web turns dirty thirty. It's amazing to think it has only been thirty years. That click farm video that fatpony posted really shows how far it has developed from just an exchange of information.
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