What the Health? And other health documentaries

[leatherpants]

I'm watching this documentary now and I'm wondering if anyone else has seen it.
Ita on Netflix. Someone watch it so we can talk!

[cnf]

Give me a quick synopsis? I'll try to find it on Kodi sometime this weekend/week coming up.

[CestLaVie]

K I always troll Netflix for the newest ones and I haven't seen this one!! YAY. Will watch this weekend.

[leatherpants]

I think its pretty new. Its on Netflix cnf and appears to be mostly about that its animal fats and processed meats that cause cancer and diabetes - not sugar. I admit I didn't finish it last night since I had to get to bed, but I got to the big moment I think.

I don't know. I have a lot of feelings about it but mostly confusion.

I really need the big money companies to stop fucking around with people's health.

[peacock]

I'm interested. I'll try to watch after the kids are in bed

[leatherpants]

I was trying to figure out how to edit this title so we can also talk about other heath documentaries or books and the like.
CestLaVie, like the two you mentioned in WLC thread.

I'll keep trying unless someone can take pity on an old woman.

[CestLaVie]

I'll drop it here too!
Highly recommend Embrace (I watched it on Netflix). It is about body image.
bodyimagemovement.com/watch-the-embrace-trailer/


If anyone watched and wants to discuss I'm game!

[GhoatMonket]

Here is a take from a FB group where several of them have watched it.

"Many things increase our relative risks of getting cancer, exposure to sunlight, polution, etc... Eating red meat in particular and processed meats above 150g per day from memory increases your relative risk of colon cancer by a small amount but so does eating too little and being vitamin deficient in certain areas. So as long as you aren't going insane on eating only one thing and being diverse and moderate, don't stress the small stuff because almost everything around you will increase relative cancer risks."

[leatherpants]

Jun 23, 2017 21:28:28 GMT -6 GhoatMonket said:

Here is a take from a FB group where several of them have watched it.

"Many things increase our relative risks of getting cancer, exposure to sunlight, polution, etc... Eating red meat in particular and processed meats above 150g per day from memory increases your relative risk of colon cancer by a small amount but so does eating too little and being vitamin deficient in certain areas. So as long as you aren't going insane on eating only one thing and being diverse and moderate, don't stress the small stuff because almost everything around you will increase relative cancer risks."

This seems so sensible. I think that's what really bothered me about the movie. It started off escalated and angry and like it had an agenda. Which I'm sure it did, but I don't like feeling manipulated when I watch something.

[CestLaVie]

leatherpants, agreed. I had the sense of heavy agenda. Also I recognized all of those doctors from books/documentaries promoting veganism. So I mean I know he will choose professionals that support that particular view but I do think it was really one-sided. I still have to finish it today, but that is my first impression.

I definitely wish big business wasn't so enmeshed with health. I heard a podcast recently about how crossfit is engaged in serious legal battles with Coke and Pepsi over them influencing health laws. I had no idea any of that was happening. Apparently after crossfit started saying "no soda" to their members, Coke and Pepsi began to use their lawyers to create legislation aimed at putting crossfit out of business. things like creating a law saying trainers need to be licensed but the only licensing agency is run by Coke and trainers are told that diet is not something they're allowed to talk about as part of the license. The whole thing is so strange.

[CestLaVie]

And Dr. Esselstyn for sure too. They have made a lot of money in the vegan book business. (and I say that with neutrality, I mean I own Neal Barnard's book lol). But it's just obvious to me the professionals that were hand picked were already anti-meat.

[CestLaVie]

one last thought, I was really put off by them saying sugar was just nothing. Like I have no doubt that fat does have an influence, but it's so much more complicated than "it's not the sugar, it's the fat!". I hate those kind of statements.

[GhoatMonket]

Jun 24, 2017 6:51:34 GMT -6 CestLaVie said:

leatherpants , agreed. I had the sense of heavy agenda. Also I recognized all of those doctors from books/documentaries promoting veganism. So I mean I know he will choose professionals that support that particular view but I do think it was really one-sided. I still have to finish it today, but that is my first impression.

I definitely wish big business wasn't so enmeshed with health. I heard a podcast recently about how crossfit is engaged in serious legal battles with Coke and Pepsi over them influencing health laws. I had no idea any of that was happening. Apparently after crossfit started saying "no soda" to their members, Coke and Pepsi began to use their lawyers to create legislation aimed at putting crossfit out of business. things like creating a law saying trainers need to be licensed but the only licensing agency is run by Coke and trainers are told that diet is not something they're allowed to talk about as part of the license. The whole thing is so strange.

That's not exactly what it was about. The Crossfit founder has been talking out of his ass and going a lot further than that. And it's actually Crossfit that is trying to take down Big Soda.

The whole thing is absurd though. As one article claimed "It is nothing more than hype." Crossfit is making a killing off what they are doing, so don't hold them up to be any better. They too are cashing in on people's health. 

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Every week the challenge sends the team captains these talking points as an idea of what to discuss with team members for the week, and interestingly enough, what we're talking about in this thread is the topic of the week. Basically the idea that our food and nutrition beliefs are often influenced by marketing and big business. Anyway this was one of the articles they shared for background with us.

I will remind everyone to be cognizant of the fact that at least one of the challenge creators owns a crossfit gym and comes from that background, so likely he supports the crossfit/ paleo belief system. I know they've modified the challenge to have a broader range of appeal, but it is a business.

www.wholelifechallenge.com/6-nutrition-myths-the-fitness-industry-has-sold-you/?utm_campaign=May%202017&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=53288909&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--nNumbER0KmZfQqJt5iuIdO258bwMVq_MpMP-DugZlx9i6_ES2Dk92PPnphuKWOQWTtwjMGGMSn1Ti-gB75WWOqrRevQ&_hsmi=53288909

[tomato]

I spend a lot of time reading about diet trying to figure out what I did wrong to cause my diabetes and what I could potentially do differently for DD. I eat low carb currently because carbs raise my blood sugar, but hate it and feel best eating a more traditional diet of fruits, veggies, whole grains and lean meats.

I feel like the health points they make are the same that the low carb people make about sugar or carbs or wheat. It seems like every diet advocate can pull up a study and experts that confirm their study is the best and the other studies are wrong because x, y, z.

I guess the one thing they all agree on is that the standard American diet is responsible for all these "lifestyle" diseases and if you just eliminate a certain food group from your diet you'll be cured. And that big business is preventing you from knowing the truth. I don't know what to think at this point.

[GhoatMonket]

In case you wanted a perspective on this

www.facebook.com/ZDoggMD/videos/vb.407504242094/10155347230432095/?type=2&theater

[leatherpants]

Jul 5, 2017 20:40:26 GMT -6 GhoatMonket said:

In case you wanted a perspective on this

www.facebook.com/ZDoggMD/videos/vb.407504242094/10155347230432095/?type=2&theater

This was fantastic. His whole rant about confirmation bias was exactly my problem with the documentary. Which I never finished and probably won't now.

But I did start following this guy on FB

[brewcitygal]

Jul 5, 2017 23:07:42 GMT -6 leatherpants said:

Jul 5, 2017 20:40:26 GMT -6 GhoatMonket said:

In case you wanted a perspective on this

www.facebook.com/ZDoggMD/videos/vb.407504242094/10155347230432095/?type=2&theater

This was fantastic. His whole rant about confirmation bias was exactly my problem with the documentary. Which I never finished and probably won't now.

But I did start following this guy on FB

I love Zdogg. He's hilarious and very honest.

[charlotte]

I really did not enjoy What The Health. Like others said, there was an obvious agenda. I didn't find it particularly compelling -- "it's not the sugar-- it's meat!". It's not ONE thing. So many things cause poor health and/or cancers. Americans would do well to decrease the amount of processed foods we eat in general including processed meats, sugars, and other foods. I was cringing when the guy was 'confronting' receptionists about the content of their employer's website.

That said, I am not a huge meat lover and I know our household could stand to add a lot more plants to our diet. I also hate how big corporations have a hand in everything.

[brux]

I'm watching this now. My personal trainer is a vegan and he lent me a copy to watch.

I'm learning some information, but I agree that I'm frustrated with the confirmation bias spin of the movie. As a human who needs to eat to live, I feel a little frozen after being bombarded with all the don'ts and the dos. Basically I should use have a water based diet?

[GhoatMonket]

Well, water is a chemical, so probably not.