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Post by jkjacq on Mar 24, 2019 11:54:42 GMT -6
Ok it’s pretty funny Gillibrand is giving her first big speech in front of trump tower
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Post by sctiger on Mar 24, 2019 12:08:51 GMT -6
I guess the people I’m also worried about are the same people who take a hard line on abortion. Their church/pastor or whoever declares it a sin and that’s all they need. I feel those are more numerous than current trump supporters. Based on zero data. I admit. Let’s also add the caveat that a lot of this is my own fears/issues/trauma. This is a major concern of mine. I live in a conservative area and so many people vote with abortion as their sole or at least most prominent issue. They don't give a fuck about any of the other horrible things the Republicans are doing. They may not like Trump but they will vote for anyone who is anti abortion. Never mind the fact that GOP policies increase abortions and hurt actual living people. |
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Post by richard on Mar 24, 2019 12:39:30 GMT -6
Interesting...
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Post by misspatty on Mar 24, 2019 12:56:47 GMT -6
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Post by doublestuf on Mar 24, 2019 13:17:29 GMT -6
Re Mayor Pete being gay....long anecdote ahead...feel free to skip...
I'm trying to think about this from my mom's POV. She is church-going, 57, and from the South. She said she voted for Hillary and that she thinks Trump is a horrible person (I'm choosing to believe both are true), but is not a Democrat (nor is she politically savvy or even really interested). She called me last week to tell me she was going to me one of her good friends for dinner because the friend needed someone to talk to because....long pause from her....the friend's son recently came out as gay. I immediately laughed and said "okay!" (because I was expecting her to say something was actually wrong) to which she sternly said, "well from someone in our generation, this is a big deal!" She said, "well of course, the friend still loves her son," to which I butted in and said, "well of course because everything that is great and wonderful about him that she has loved for 30 years is still there and that's all that really matters." The conversation continued, and I reminded her that we don't know yet what path my 2 kids may take and that they have to grow up knowing that no matter what they are loved and are amazing people. I think hearing that shook her a little, honestly, because in her mind they will of course grow up to be heterosexual.
I reminded my mom that while she may not believe it, being gay is not a choice, but how you are born. At that point she said that the friend had talked to her pastor (which is the same guy who married H and me, where my grandparents go to church, someone my mom has known for a long time), and the pastor had said the same thing!(!!) I'm honestly not surprised as he did not give H and I a hard time in the 1 pre-marital "counseling" session where we told him we were already living together. He is fairly open-minded, though I'm sure he is not necessarily preaching such from the pulpit. It is a Southern Baptist church.
I *think* my mom, and the above mentioned pastor, would be a part of the more conservative crowd that would be willing to give him a chance. I also think I would have to have many discussions with her about this if Mayor Pete were to win the primary. I also think of my grandparents, who somehow are more liberal than their children and may have some reservations, are ones I could also convince. Like I don't think anybody would love it, and in their minds are probably thinking he's going to Hell for being gay, but they would do it, especially when I remind them that by their standards, there's no way Fuckface in charge isn't doomed to end up there as well.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Mar 24, 2019 13:18:07 GMT -6
I really, really like Mayor Pete, too, but have we talked about the shade he threw at the "I'm with her" movement? It was not my favorite Pete moment. I'll see if I can find the tweet and the backlash. Apologies if this has been discussed, I have not the last few pages. I think it was actually pretty softball criticism of a campaign that lost by 77 Electoral Votes. If we can’t reflect back about what we did wrong in 2016 without people getting bent out of shape, we’re going to lose again in 2020. He wasn’t personally attacking or shading Hillary. He said he thought the election turned into Hillary Vs. Donald instead of What we stand for Vs. What they stand for. I don’t disagree. Can you expand on why you do disagree? Oh I mean I don't, like, vehemently disagree with what he's saying. Like, I'm not hot about it, I really like him and would happily skip to the polls to vote for him, and many of the other candidates out there right now! But I didn't read his commentary the way that you did, I read it more like innuendo that people voted for her just because she's a woman (the "I'm with her" reference made me hear it that way, and I've read commentary from others who read it that way as well). "I'm with her" wasn't even the campaign slogan, that was actually "stronger together." I doubt he meant it that way, because he doesn't seem like that kind of guy, but I think he could have gotten his point across without talking about it that way. Does that make sense? But again, this in no way impacts the way I feel about him as a candidate. I love him. I'm just making political small talk. :-) And Chasten is also amazing and a wonderful Twitter follow. |
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Post by crunch on Mar 24, 2019 13:19:16 GMT -6
Wow! I feel like the mayors number really jumped! |
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Mar 24, 2019 13:20:06 GMT -6
That does sound much better! Ok. Honest question here though. Can/will we elect a married gay man to the White House? I’m in a bubble here in my New England gay community- and I don’t know how it is in the rest of the country (besides not as good). Can people really see getting the swing states behind this? More or less so than a woman or a WOC? Because personally I see people freaking out. But again, skewed POV here. My gut tells me America is more afraid of electing a woman than a white man from the midwest who happens to be gay. |
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Post by doublestuf on Mar 24, 2019 13:23:35 GMT -6
Oh, I also sent my mom these links "to pass on to her friend" but I really meant they were for my mom to read and stew over. "When you use the Bible to try and make the blanket statement that “homosexuality is a sin,” what you’re really doing without realizing it is reducing all LGBTQ people down to a sex act, as if that alone defines identity and sexuality. You’re also denying them any capacity to feel real love or show true affection toward someone else. In a gross oversimplification, you’re labeling a complex, fully formed human being as merely a performer of intercourse. That’s something you would never do with cisgender—heterosexuality (and especially not with your own sexuality), because you understand implicitly that your gender identity and sexual orientation are about much more than a physical act. They’re a much deeper part of who you are than that. This is about far greater things than just plumbing and gymnastics. You know that in your own life, the physical act of sex isn’t the totality of your sexuality; that it is also about affection and companionship and the desire to love and be loved; about intimacy and belonging. It’s about who you are drawn to and attracted to and compelled to be close to. In your own story, you experienced those things firsthand before you ever thought about or experienced the act of intercourse. In those moments when you first began to understand your own sexual identity, it snuck up on you and surprised you. There was likely no internal battle, no great wrestling, no real conscious choice to be made." johnpavlovitz.com/2015/04/19/yes-homosexuality-absolutely-is-a-choice/johnpavlovitz.com/2017/07/21/no-gay-lesbian-bisexual-transgender-not-sin/johnpavlovitz.com/2017/03/17/if-i-have-lgbtq-children-four-promises-from-a-christian-pastorparent/ |
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Post by teatime on Mar 24, 2019 13:44:18 GMT -6
I think it was actually pretty softball criticism of a campaign that lost by 77 Electoral Votes. If we can’t reflect back about what we did wrong in 2016 without people getting bent out of shape, we’re going to lose again in 2020. He wasn’t personally attacking or shading Hillary. He said he thought the election turned into Hillary Vs. Donald instead of What we stand for Vs. What they stand for. I don’t disagree. Can you expand on why you do disagree? But I didn't read his commentary the way that you did, I read it more like innuendo that people voted for her just because she's a woman (the "I'm with her" reference made me hear it that way, and I've read commentary from others who read it that way as well). "I'm with her" wasn't even the campaign slogan, that was actually "stronger together." I doubt he meant it that way, because he doesn't seem like that kind of guy, but I think he could have gotten his point across without talking about it that way. Does that make sense? . Huh. I didn’t get that at all from what he said. Did you pull up the piece from Esquire? The whole comment was about maybe making a campaign less about the specific candidate and more about the policies. The I’m with Her reference wasn’t there solely because of the word “her,” but more of a “voting for a specific candidate (HRC)” and “not voting for s specific candidate (45)” instead of voting for policies. I mean the original criticism I saw was people saying he was anti Hillary, but that was from the pull quote. I haven’t seen anyone say anything voting specifically because she’s a woman. His same criticism could be spread to Bernie bros et al., imo. |
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Post by teatime on Mar 24, 2019 13:51:12 GMT -6
FWIW my trump voting mother (even went to the inauguration ffs) has been reaching out to talk to me about things like LGBTQ rights, race, etc. She’s learning that she actually hates what a lot of the GOP stands for and is getting very angry at the state of things. Ive talked to her about Mayor Pete and she called me yesterday quoting things from his PSA podcast, saying some of the stuff he said really struck a chord with her. She likes him a lot and plans on watching his town hall next.
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Post by sweetpea on Mar 24, 2019 15:39:19 GMT -6
Wow! I feel like the mayors number really jumped! They have. If I recall correctly, last time that poll was out Mayor Pete was 1%. |
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Post by dc2london on Mar 24, 2019 15:43:33 GMT -6
Gabbard?! Good lort, who is taking her seriously?! These two are deeeeeeeeeeeeeep in the Bernie love. To the point that they posted smug "Told you so" posts as soon as it was clear HRC wasn't winning. I don't think they went as far as voting for 45 to prove a point, but I do know they refused to vote for Clinton. And for some reason, they like Gabbard almost as much as Bernie. Do they watch RT or TYT? |
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Post by enchanted on Mar 24, 2019 15:47:33 GMT -6
These two are deeeeeeeeeeeeeep in the Bernie love. To the point that they posted smug "Told you so" posts as soon as it was clear HRC wasn't winning. I don't think they went as far as voting for 45 to prove a point, but I do know they refused to vote for Clinton. And for some reason, they like Gabbard almost as much as Bernie. Do they watch RT or TYT? No idea. They live down in Alabama and pride themselves on being progressive dots, but I haven't actually talked to them much since college. ETA: I mostly just see their comments on other friends' political posts. It can be about someone else (Harris or Booker or whoever) and they're trumpeting Bernie and then Gabbard. |
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Post by greykitty on Mar 24, 2019 16:06:32 GMT -6
Just me, but I think Democrats have to get ahead on providing a good understandable narrative on both abortion rights and immigration...right now, far too easy to paint Democrats of being in favor of wide open borders and allowing abortions at a woman's whim even into the end of the third trimester. Please note, I'm aware that's certainly not the policies, but I really don't think the more nuanced statements are getting out just regular voters, especially in areas other than the coasts.
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 24, 2019 16:14:17 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Mar 24, 2019 16:32:48 GMT -6
No idea. They live down in Alabama and pride themselves on being progressive dots, but I haven't actually talked to them much since college. I only ask bc RT and TYT have really pushed hard the "Bernie or Bust" thing, up to and including false narratives about the 2016 convention, and pushing Tulsi |
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Post by enchanted on Mar 24, 2019 16:43:14 GMT -6
I'm telling y'all right now, if Mayor Pete does get elected, I'm either calling him President Pete or 46. Not out of any disrespect, but because no matter how much I practice, I cannot get my brain/mouth to pronounce his name correctly. |
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 24, 2019 16:57:44 GMT -6
I'm telling y'all right now, if Mayor Pete does get elected, I'm either calling him President Pete or 46. Not out of any disrespect, but because no matter how much I practice, I cannot get my brain/mouth to pronounce his name correctly. Boot Edge Edge Then slur it all together Lol |
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Post by enchanted on Mar 24, 2019 17:02:23 GMT -6
I'm telling y'all right now, if Mayor Pete does get elected, I'm either calling him President Pete or 46. Not out of any disrespect, but because no matter how much I practice, I cannot get my brain/mouth to pronounce his name correctly. Boot Edge Edge Then slur it all together Lol I KNOW! It still doesn't work. I'm blaming getting my wisdom teeth out. Things shifted and I've chipped a tooth where my teeth now knock together if I'm not careful. Even my smile is different because my teeth don't line up the same way anymore. Anyway, that's my story as to why I can't say his last name and I'm sticking to it.   |
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Post by elle on Mar 24, 2019 17:15:22 GMT -6
Boot Edge Edge Then slur it all together Lol I KNOW! It still doesn't work. I'm blaming getting my wisdom teeth out. Things shifted and I've chipped a tooth where my teeth now knock together if I'm not careful. Even my smile is different because my teeth don't line up the same way anymore. Anyway, that's my story as to why I can't say his last name and I'm sticking to it. I find it's a bit easier when you think of it as "buddha judge", the way Chasten recommended. |
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Post by jenna on Mar 24, 2019 22:21:14 GMT -6
What’s the best podcast or thing on YouTube or something as an intro to Pete?
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Post by sweetpea on Mar 25, 2019 0:04:18 GMT -6
What’s the best podcast or thing on YouTube or something as an intro to Pete? I think PSA and the CNN town hall are two great intros to Mayor Pete |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 6:45:13 GMT -6
Wow, that Iowa poll is nuts!
I've been Team Kamala for awhile now, and I told a friend a few weeks ago that it would take something pretty spectacular to make me vote for someone else next year.
Then I started watching videos of Mayor Pete speaking.
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Post by sterling on Mar 25, 2019 7:13:02 GMT -6
Boot Edge Edge Then slur it all together Lol I KNOW! It still doesn't work. I'm blaming getting my wisdom teeth out. Things shifted and I've chipped a tooth where my teeth now knock together if I'm not careful. Even my smile is different because my teeth don't line up the same way anymore. Anyway, that's my story as to why I can't say his last name and I'm sticking to it. Pretend it’s like Louisville. Same number of slurred syllables when it’s said. Bootedgedge |
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Post by enchanted on Mar 25, 2019 7:14:09 GMT -6
I KNOW! It still doesn't work. I'm blaming getting my wisdom teeth out. Things shifted and I've chipped a tooth where my teeth now knock together if I'm not careful. Even my smile is different because my teeth don't line up the same way anymore. Anyway, that's my story as to why I can't say his last name and I'm sticking to it. Pretend it’s like Louisville. Same number of slurred syllables when it’s said. Bootedgedge I cackled, but that speaks to me and might actually work. |
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Post by roloma on Mar 25, 2019 9:56:42 GMT -6
What do Bernie supporters think if Mayor Pete? I know I am late, but my cousin who I have mentioned is a big time Bernie dude, LOVES Mayor Pete. Like, almost enough to leave Bernie's camp I think. His exact quote "I. Love. Mayor Pete." I keep pushing Pete on him, hoping one day to see him switch. We are in the "1st in the Nation" state and I am REALLY hoping to get him to caucus for Pete instead of Bernie when the time comes. |
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Post by cnf on Mar 25, 2019 10:03:16 GMT -6
Wow, that Iowa poll is nuts! I've been Team Kamala for awhile now, and I told a friend a few weeks ago that it would take something pretty spectacular to make me vote for someone else next year. Then I started watching videos of Mayor Pete speaking. This is me. I'm listening to the town hall because I can't deal with current politics and the Mueller report |
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Post by PandaWatch on Mar 25, 2019 11:47:20 GMT -6
Warren is low on my list, and Pete is high, but this spoke to me...
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 25, 2019 11:49:47 GMT -6
Warren is low on my list, and Pete is high, but this spoke to me... Thread: I mean...Liz was instrumental in an entire bureau (CFPB) being created...
Which is why I feel she's more effective in the Senate. OR in a Cabinet position.
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