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Post by mischief on Mar 18, 2019 23:23:41 GMT -6
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Post by mischief on Mar 18, 2019 23:25:14 GMT -6
Holy fuck. I know it but I forget how many FUCKING PATHETIC ASSHOLES are Marvel fans. I temporarily forgot that I unfollowed all my Marvel pages because of the fragile men spewing hatred in the comments. Joined one again and noped right the fuck back out. I dont need Marvel memes that bad.
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Post by Lakes on Mar 19, 2019 5:57:43 GMT -6
Holy fuck. I know it but I forget how many FUCKING PATHETIC ASSHOLES are Marvel fans. I temporarily forgot that I unfollowed all my Marvel pages because of the fragile men spewing hatred in the comments. Joined one again and noped right the fuck back out. I dont need Marvel memes that bad. I don’t follow anything but did check out some comments about Captain Marvel since it was such a big deal and yikes. I knew better then to look but the level of toxicity was out of this world. I know I shouldn’t have been surprised but I still was.
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Post by mischief on Mar 19, 2019 22:56:04 GMT -6
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Post by greykitty on Mar 21, 2019 17:32:40 GMT -6
Marvel dropped another Endgame spot (http://collider.com/avengers-endgame-ad/). I really don't care anymore if the Russo Brothers are fibbing all over the place to keep the surprise alive...I'm in tears right now and if the movie is half as good as these spots I'll be more than satisfied.
I know run time may be an issue in just how many times each theater will be able to show the movie, but any thoughts how quickly this one will make it to a billion dollars? Unless there's some really dramatic disappointment in the movie itself.
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Post by RajahMD on Mar 21, 2019 20:03:09 GMT -6
Marvel dropped another Endgame spot (http://collider.com/avengers-endgame-ad/). I really don't care anymore if the Russo Brothers are fibbing all over the place to keep the surprise alive...I'm in tears right now and if the movie is half as good as these spots I'll be more than satisfied. I know run time may be an issue in just how many times each theater will be able to show the movie, but any thoughts how quickly this one will make it to a billion dollars? Unless there's some really dramatic disappointment in the movie itself. I give it a week, tops. I think theaters will open up more screens (instead of other movies) before they decrease the number of showings. This thing is going to be HUGE.
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Post by mischief on Mar 22, 2019 0:09:50 GMT -6
Marvel dropped another Endgame spot (http://collider.com/avengers-endgame-ad/). I really don't care anymore if the Russo Brothers are fibbing all over the place to keep the surprise alive...I'm in tears right now and if the movie is half as good as these spots I'll be more than satisfied. I know run time may be an issue in just how many times each theater will be able to show the movie, but any thoughts how quickly this one will make it to a billion dollars? Unless there's some really dramatic disappointment in the movie itself. I give it a week, tops. I think theaters will open up more screens (instead of other movies) before they decrease the number of showings. This thing is going to be HUGE. Honestly it would be foolish not to. Even the haters are gonna be out in full force. And people who have only seen one or two movies even (we have a few friends doing this). Just because its The End.
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Post by Dramaphile on Mar 22, 2019 8:17:03 GMT -6
In the comics, Carol outranks Steve (she's an Airforce Colonel)
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Post by Lakes on Mar 22, 2019 9:16:09 GMT -6
In the comics, Carol outranks Steve (she's an Airforce Colonel) iiiiiiiinteresting.
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Post by greykitty on Mar 23, 2019 9:58:14 GMT -6
Just saw a 'rumor' that Endgame will be 182 minutes. Also that Alan Silvestri, composer, is done with his work.
question - do we think MCU Carol Danvers got all her memories back? In which case, I'm thinking she sure as heck knows who Steve Rogers was from military history. Be interesting to see if they address that at all. They've got a lot to cover even in a pretty long movie.
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Post by mischief on Mar 25, 2019 12:00:46 GMT -6
Thought provoking stuff on Tumblr. I actually had similar thoughts.
pyrebomb- Let’s talk about that scene between Thor and Carol in the Endgame trailer. Because every time I go in the tags, I am bombarded by posts about how it shows they’re best friends now, that Thor respects women, that he is the Patron God of Lesbians, and generally bending over backwards to interpret that scene in a positive light. And I really need people to understand why that is NOT what is happening. I made a post about it yesterday, but it was angry and probably got blocked from the tags by tumblr’s brilliant algorithm for cursing so here I go. Tone policing myself so I can be heard.
In the scene we see Thor approach Carol, invade her personal space, then call Stormbreaker to himself in a way that sends it grazing inches past her face, blowing her hair backwards as it passes. Carol doesn’t flinch, and Thor declares that he likes her. Everybody seems to be zeroing in on that one line of dialogue and ignoring the incredibly toxic subtext that permeates this scene.
I am a woman who spent a good part of her adolescence in the dojo, in male-dominated spaces, where physical toughness and nerves of steel are of the utmost importance. I have had this exact scenario (minus the magic hammer) play out multiple times with multiple men. It is not fun. It is not flirty. It is not friendly. It is not cute.
What it is is a misogynistic power game men play to assert dominance and let you know that you do not belong in “their” space. The rules are very simple, and yet there is no real way to win because, much like life, the game is rigged from the start. Here are the rules: the man will approach you in an aggressive manner signaling every intent to hit you up to and including throwing an actual punch. The only way to win is to not flinch. You are never a willing participant in the game. There is never a clear point at which the game starts. You must be on guard at all times. Sound toxic yet?
Good. It gets worse. Dodging counts as flinching. You lose. Blocking or deflecting the attack? Flinching. You lose. The ONLY way to win is to remain perfectly still, not defend yourself, and trust that the jackass who thinks this is acceptable behavior will not actually hit you. And sure, most of the time they won’t. Most times these men exhibit a very unique cocktail of misogyny and toxic masculinity where threatening to hit a woman is acceptable but actually hitting her is abhorrent. But not always.
I remember one very particular instance where I realized a guy was playing The Intimidation Game with me and I stopped defending myself. I didn’t “flinch.” I won. And my reward was a full-force punch in my boob that left a bruise behind for two whole weeks.
This is what Thor is doing to Carol in the trailer, and Carol wins because she also grew up in male-dominated spaces and knows the rules. In my post yesterday I called it a test of her skill that she had no obligation to pass or even perform. Upon further reflection I realize this is wrong. You see, unlike Thor and Carol, I was never on a team with the men who tested me, their survival or even tournament ranking was never dependent on my performance. But they still did it. Because it was never about trust in a teammate’s skills. It was about letting me know I was unwelcome and attempting to chase me off by making me feel physically unsafe. And if I stuck around, if I “won” the game, I was worthy of their grudging acceptance. But never their respect.
Thor is not showing he respects Carol. On the contrary, he is showing he has no respect for her and that his disrespect is tied to her gender. He is gatekeeping by threatening her with physical violence. Stop focusing on the grudging acceptance, and focus on the fact that he started their encounter by playing the Intimidation Game. It is disgusting that a scene like this made it into the movie at all, but even worse is that of all the characters they could have chosen to portray it they picked the only woman with a solo film under her belt and the man whose entire first movie was about unlearning toxic masculinity and keeping only the good parts.
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Post by greykitty on Mar 25, 2019 16:44:48 GMT -6
I kind of disagree with about everything pyrebomb says regarding this scene. But, she brings her own emotions and experience to it, and I bring mine. Oh, well....
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Post by mischief on Mar 25, 2019 17:36:42 GMT -6
I am interested in seeing how the whole scene plays out. Because I can see it going either way. My thoughts obviously werent as in depth at the OP but I can understand how it could be construed the way she describes. When I first watched it my initial thought was, 'that was kind of a douche move Thor.' But then I was like 'I could ship it. Jane who?' I also missed her small smirk at the end the first time.
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Post by mischief on Mar 25, 2019 17:40:39 GMT -6
I am interested in your thoughts greykitty, I love seeing seeing different perspectives on all the things!
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Post by Lakes on Mar 25, 2019 18:59:40 GMT -6
I kind of disagree with about everything pyrebomb says regarding this scene. But, she brings her own emotions and experience to it, and I bring mine. Oh, well.... I do too, and I'm trying to articulate why. I think part of it is that (to my knowledge) nothing Thor has done thus far in the movies has indicated he would think less of Carol for being a woman. But I need to noodle more on the specific scene. To be clear, I'm not claiming that the intimidation game, as OP calls it, doesn't exist. But I'm not convinced that's what's happening in this scene. I didn’t read too deeply into that scene when I saw it. I was thinking he would be more than fine with her since bad ass warrior women are the norm in his culture.
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Post by pianolove on Mar 25, 2019 19:21:36 GMT -6
I do too, and I'm trying to articulate why. I think part of it is that (to my knowledge) nothing Thor has done thus far in the movies has indicated he would think less of Carol for being a woman. But I need to noodle more on the specific scene. To be clear, I'm not claiming that the intimidation game, as OP calls it, doesn't exist. But I'm not convinced that's what's happening in this scene. I didn’t read too deeply into that scene when I saw it. I was thinking he would be more than fine with her since bad ass warrior women are the norm in his culture. I thought the same as you and @icedtea. He also did something similar to Loki when Loki was disguised as Odin, so I'm not sure that I buy his action being tied to her gender. I feel for the tumblr poster who had to endure the intimidation game and toxic masculinity, however I'm hesitant to jump on this particular train. I'm having a hard time articulating why.
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Post by mischief on Mar 25, 2019 20:02:31 GMT -6
I do too, and I'm trying to articulate why. I think part of it is that (to my knowledge) nothing Thor has done thus far in the movies has indicated he would think less of Carol for being a woman. But I need to noodle more on the specific scene. To be clear, I'm not claiming that the intimidation game, as OP calls it, doesn't exist. But I'm not convinced that's what's happening in this scene. I didn’t read too deeply into that scene when I saw it. I was thinking he would be more than fine with her since bad ass warrior women are the norm in his culture. And his BFF is Lady Sif.
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Post by mischief on Mar 25, 2019 20:53:32 GMT -6
And to be fair she did just show up at, Im assuming the Compound, unannounced and obviously Fury never told them about her.
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Post by Lakes on Mar 26, 2019 4:55:34 GMT -6
And to be fair she did just show up at, Im assuming the Compound, unannounced and obviously Fury never told them about her. I get having to “test” a random newcomer with super powers since you’re going to be teammates, I just didn’t get an overtly sexist vibe on the first viewing (it goes without saying that crap like that happens all the time in the real world). Of course, I was all hype from seeing Captain Marvel at that point. You want to make sure they are on your side so there would be some challenging or testing of some sort to check loyalties but in this situation I don’t feel like it would be based on her sex.
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Post by Dramaphile on Mar 26, 2019 7:13:58 GMT -6
And to be fair she did just show up at, Im assuming the Compound, unannounced and obviously Fury never told them about her. This is where I'm at. New hero shows up that nobody has ever heard of who is the person Fury paged from across the galaxy to save everyone, I'm gonna assume that they're going to be a bit skeptical of her. I would be surprised if they weren't. I'm going to reserve judgment of Thor's interaction with her until we actually see the whole thing on screen.
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Post by greykitty on Mar 26, 2019 7:39:44 GMT -6
Sorry, I was at a condo board meeting last night. I do think pyrebomb was viewing this scene, and writing from, a place of emotional distress. And, when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail, whether it is or not. Basically, posters above me have pretty much covered my thoughts. Also, I wanted to think about what the Russos were hoping to convey with this scene, and, honestly, the scene as played may not even show up in the movie (and I don't blame the Russos at all for any misdirections they may include to keep the surprise elements - and, as someone mentioned, people parse these trailers to an incredible degree, myself included - what does it MEAN that Rocket seems to have Bucky's goggles now!!!) I think the Russos needed to show Carol Danvers entering the Endgame world for those people who are newish to the MCU, who didn't see Captain Marvel, etc. Heck, I saw Captain Marvel with a friend who was convinced that Wonder Woman was an Avenger. The audience knowledge level is all over the place for these movies, I think. And I would guess they wanted to establish Carol's strong, don't back down, experienced military credentials immediately for the folks watching this trailer. That little smile at the end? I took it as her expecting she would be challenged, she would be disappointed not to be challenged - what worthy allies would not want to prove her credentials - and it's something she herself would do if the positions were reversed. In fact, I'm very curious to see how the integration goes....it's a interesting path the writers and directors have to follow in this ending of one era/birth of another. I myself lean closest to Lakes point. Here someone just appears, very possibly, but not confirmed as far as we know now, at Fury's call. Well, first IMO most of the Avengers have conflicting thoughts regarding Director Fury (trust him entirely, or not as far as they could throw him, although that would be pretty far for some of them). And, golly, Director, forget to tell us something? Although the entire Avengers team tends to 'forget' to share key information at all the worst times. And how do they know Fury's call wasn't intercepted by bad folks yet unknown to the Avengers? Then, let's just say Carol's conveyed to the team that she would be a very heavy hitter and of incredible use for offense and defense. Here's Thor, another heavy hitter, who's lost just about everything and everyone that matters to him (if only he'd gone for the head! LOL). The few people left dear to him are right there, assuming they are at the Compound - does he dare trust this newcomer to have their backs, as well as his own? How would he test? Does he need to take steps to defend his team immediately? And, his test also conveys information to her, warrior to warrior, IMO; Thor's shown a little of his hand to Carol as well. To me, the fact that Thor took time to test, or intimidate if you would, is actually a sign of respect - he takes this new person seriously. Seriously enough that he wants to know if she can be depended upon in this last battle. It's not her strength he may want to gauge - it's her heart.
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Post by RajahMD on Mar 26, 2019 8:23:05 GMT -6
I kinda feel like Thor enjoys fucking with people, regardless of their gender. Hahaha. This was my exact thought. Remember the epic fight between him and Iron Man in the first Avengers movie? This is his M.O.
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Post by greykitty on Mar 26, 2019 12:27:48 GMT -6
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Post by pianolove on Mar 26, 2019 16:10:01 GMT -6
Gamora and Loki are included, I wonder if they're bringing them back to actual life! (I'm prepared for actual death though)
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Post by greykitty on Mar 26, 2019 16:31:08 GMT -6
Gamora and Loki are included, I wonder if they're bringing them back to actual life! (I'm prepared for actual death though) And Suri....at this point, I'm trying to simultaneously lower my expectations and be open to any plot twist. I mean, I'd be happy with three hours and two minutes of Steve/Bucky, but am also expecting that the movie has a lot of material to cover, and how can it meet everyone's hopes/dreams/fears for their particular favorites?
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Post by mischief on Mar 26, 2019 17:10:04 GMT -6
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Post by pianolove on Mar 26, 2019 18:10:04 GMT -6
MISCHIEF OMG THEYRE BEAUTIFUL 😭😭😭
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Post by Dramaphile on Mar 27, 2019 7:24:28 GMT -6
Gamora and Loki are included, I wonder if they're bringing them back to actual life! (I'm prepared for actual death though) Loki's not dead. I'd bet on that. Gamora might be a different story, but there is a theory that she's in the Soul Stone or something like that. I still say that the people most at risk for actually dying are the ones who survived.
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Post by pianolove on Mar 27, 2019 8:10:27 GMT -6
Gamora and Loki are included, I wonder if they're bringing them back to actual life! (I'm prepared for actual death though) Loki's not dead. I'd bet on that. Gamora might be a different story, but there is a theory that she's in the Soul Stone or something like that. I still say that the people most at risk for actually dying are the ones who survived. I read a theory somewhere that once the soul stone is returned to red skull gamora comes back, which I hope she comes back! Loki on the other hand, he's part of the old crew, so I could see marvel ditching him to make way for a new antihero. I hope they don't but I can't see Loki sticking around without Thor. Unless all of this is to make way for those new Disney+ mini series things.
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Post by mischief on Mar 27, 2019 9:20:14 GMT -6
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