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Post by acw816 on Jun 21, 2017 20:00:41 GMT -6
Does anyone follow a ketogenic diet or take therapeutic ketones? I'm considering this but I am trying to do as much research as possible.
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Post by catspajamas2 on Jun 22, 2017 2:41:56 GMT -6
I do! In the past it hasn't been a well received topic on this forum but I have personally had lots of success on a Keto diet. Reddit has a great keto forum you might want to look into. I am not sold on exogenous ketone supplements but it depends on what you are trying to achieve (I know they have certain therapeutic applications being studied). Disclaimer: I am not saying this diet is for everyone, I personally have found it helpful in the last 10 months for weight loss - I may have a different view in 1, 3 or 5 years, lord knows I have changed my views on eating before.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jun 22, 2017 5:10:00 GMT -6
What is your reason for wanting to go this route? It is quite tedious and limiting. It can be helpful for some conditions, but it requires very detailed tracking and testing to make sure you remain in ketosis.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 8:44:08 GMT -6
We looked into a ketogenic diet for DD since it's helpful for treating epilepsy. The epilepsy protocol is obviously stricter, but basically we decided to see if we could rule her in as a surgical candidate before we'd be willing to go down that path.
Honestly, if you have the willpower to maintain a ketogenic diet, you can maintain a normal, healthy, well-balanced diet that will be better for long-term results.
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Post by tomato on Jun 22, 2017 15:21:58 GMT -6
I follow a very low carb diet (~50g/day) and am working on getting my carbs down to be in ketosis. I do it to control my blood sugar (T2 diabetes) and I am trying not to lose weight though. I don't feel good eating low carb so I'm trying to get into ketosis to see if that helps.
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Post by getzystark on Jun 22, 2017 21:17:36 GMT -6
/anecdote
I did a full keto diet with the help of the Facebook group badass keto babes. I did it for 5 weeks, and although I did have ketones in my urine consistently I never felt the "woosh" like they talk about and the energy change when you get into fat burning ketosis.
I did go from 143# to about 133# and I'm 5'1. Once I stopped (because I was having serious irritability issues and was not doing well without carbs) I went back up to 138.
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Post by acw816 on Jun 23, 2017 6:29:16 GMT -6
Thanks ladies. Obviously the main reason is the weight loss, I have about 50 lbs to lose, second would be the anti-inflammatory benefits. I have unexplained, painful swelling in one ankle and one wrist. I've been to my GP and an orthopedic doctor that says I'm prone to tendonitis. I'm trying to heal these before I start training for a half marathon I have planned in February.
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Post by tomato on Jun 23, 2017 7:45:42 GMT -6
/anecdote I did a full keto diet with the help of the Facebook group badass keto babes. I did it for 5 weeks, and although I did have ketones in my urine consistently I never felt the "woosh" like they talk about and the energy change when you get into fat burning ketosis. I did go from 143# to about 133# and I'm 5'1. Once I stopped (because I was having serious irritability issues and was not doing well without carbs) I went back up to 138. Irritability is one of the issues I have whenever I go very low carb. I was Keto for about 6 weeks when I was pregnant and felt irritable, weak, exhausted, and hungry and cold all the time, but I don't think I was eating enough fat. One of the things I've focused on this time is making sure I am eating enough fat and getting enough water and salt instead of just dropping carbs.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jun 23, 2017 7:52:03 GMT -6
You should know if you are getting enough fat because you have to track with keto. Period. That is non-negotiable. You are doing net carbs which has to be tracked, but need to ensure that your overall intake is not too low or too high.
Most people who are not tracking and not testing their urine are not actually in ketosis. They are just very low carb.
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Post by getzystark on Jun 23, 2017 8:56:56 GMT -6
/anecdote I did a full keto diet with the help of the Facebook group badass keto babes. I did it for 5 weeks, and although I did have ketones in my urine consistently I never felt the "woosh" like they talk about and the energy change when you get into fat burning ketosis. I did go from 143# to about 133# and I'm 5'1. Once I stopped (because I was having serious irritability issues and was not doing well without carbs) I went back up to 138. Irritability is one of the issues I have whenever I go very low carb. I was Keto for about 6 weeks when I was pregnant and felt irritable, weak, exhausted, and hungry and cold all the time, but I don't think I was eating enough fat. One of the things I've focused on this time is making sure I am eating enough fat and getting enough water and salt instead of just dropping carbs. Yes what GhoatMonket said. You HAVE to track your macros while doing keto. And yes to salt. When my husband was feeling the keto flu, he drank broth and added salt and it helped him a lot. I'm just not cut out for restrictive diets due to my massive sweet tooth. In keto, like paleo, you can make "compliant treats" and that does not work well for me. I just need to learn to kick the sugar habit for good! Good luck on your journey! ETA: stupid pinterest button
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Post by tomato on Jun 23, 2017 9:32:03 GMT -6
Yes, the biggest problem I had before was that it was unintentional. When I was diagnosed with GD I was told to keep my blood sugar <140 and the only way I was able to do that was to eliminate carbs. I was only tracking carbs and only realized I was in ketosis when my doctors freaked out that I had high levels of ketones in my urine and had me track them until I was able to bring my carbs up enough (with insulin) to not see more than trace amounts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 15:46:51 GMT -6
A lot of people (like myself) do lazy keto. I don't track macros and I have lost 30 lbs in 3 months. H lost 40 lbs and dropped all bp meds in 60 days. I second the Reddit suggestion. Their keto page is really helpful.
I don't find it limiting. You pretty much can find keto options at every restaurant. I try to try new recipes every week to keep it new. Once you are fat adapted the cravings really decrease and I actually crave fat over sugar.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jun 24, 2017 23:20:48 GMT -6
A lot of people (like myself) do lazy keto. I don't track macros and I have lost 30 lbs in 3 months. H lost 40 lbs and dropped all bp meds in 60 days. I second the Reddit suggestion. Their keto page is really helpful. I don't find it limiting. You pretty much can find keto options at every restaurant. I try to try new recipes every week to keep it new. Once you are fat adapted the cravings really decrease and I actually crave fat over sugar. Unless you are testing, you are likely doing high fat not actually in ketosis (if you happen to be, you are one of the very lucky minority that manages to pull that off), but at a deficit from your maintenance which will lead to weight loss. If you aren't tracking, you are actually fortunate you lost. So many people overeat when they do this because fat calories add up much faster than protein and carbs. Part of what she wants is the anti-inflammatory part which will not come from a high fat, low carb diet. The therapeutic benefits from that come from true ketosis. Now if that is under control, going out of ketosis but still keeping the right calorie intake will likely be fine.
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Post by tomato on Jun 25, 2017 7:47:10 GMT -6
So many people overeat when they do this because fat calories add up much faster than protein and carbs. I've found it really easy to overeat if I let myself eat until I'm full, particularly protein. It hasn't affected my weight though, I just get delayed nausea if I have too much fat.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jun 25, 2017 8:03:18 GMT -6
So many people overeat when they do this because fat calories add up much faster than protein and carbs. I've found it really easy to overeat if I let myself eat until I'm full, particularly protein. It hasn't affected my weight though, I just get delayed nausea if I have too much fat. That really shouldn't be how you gauge a meal if you are trying to lose weight, and certainly not if you are tracking things properly. What type of fat made you feel nauseated? Too many people take keto as open license to eat a lot of saturated animal fats (bacon, butter).
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Post by tomato on Jun 25, 2017 8:20:02 GMT -6
I've found it really easy to overeat if I let myself eat until I'm full, particularly protein. It hasn't affected my weight though, I just get delayed nausea if I have too much fat. That really shouldn't be how you gauge a meal if you are trying to lose weight, and certainly not if you are tracking things properly. What type of fat made you feel nauseated? Too many people take keto as open license to eat a lot of saturated animal fats (bacon, butter). I don't have any weight to lose, I'm doing this to control my diabetes. I am tracking everything closely, the hardest part is that I am really hungry all the time and sometimes I cheat and binge on low-carb foods. Saturated fats are worse (cream, coconut milk, coconut oil) but I have the same problem with too much avocado or olive oil. I've always had that reaction to fatty foods though. Is it even possible to do Keto and limit saturated fat? All the Keto information I have read is pretty pro-saturated fat.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jun 25, 2017 8:31:41 GMT -6
That really shouldn't be how you gauge a meal if you are trying to lose weight, and certainly not if you are tracking things properly. What type of fat made you feel nauseated? Too many people take keto as open license to eat a lot of saturated animal fats (bacon, butter). I don't have any weight to lose, I'm doing this to control my diabetes. I am tracking everything closely, the hardest part is that I am really hungry all the time and sometimes I cheat and binge on low-carb foods. Saturated fats are worse (cream, coconut milk, coconut oil) but I have the same problem with too much olive oil. I've always had that reaction to fatty foods though. Is it even possible to do Keto and limit saturated fat? All the Keto information I have read is pretty pro-saturated fat. You need to keep tabs processed animal fats. Have you talked to a nutritionist? Suggesting a diet that makes you ill is ridiculous. It also puts you at a higher risk for DKA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 18:05:14 GMT -6
A lot of people (like myself) do lazy keto. I don't track macros and I have lost 30 lbs in 3 months. H lost 40 lbs and dropped all bp meds in 60 days. I second the Reddit suggestion. Their keto page is really helpful. I don't find it limiting. You pretty much can find keto options at every restaurant. I try to try new recipes every week to keep it new. Once you are fat adapted the cravings really decrease and I actually crave fat over sugar. Unless you are testing, you are likely doing high fat not actually in ketosis (if you happen to be, you are one of the very lucky minority that manages to pull that off), but at a deficit from your maintenance which will lead to weight loss. If you aren't tracking, you are actually fortunate you lost. So many people overeat when they do this because fat calories add up much faster than protein and carbs. Part of what she wants is the anti-inflammatory part which will not come from a high fat, low carb diet. The therapeutic benefits from that come from true ketosis. Now if that is under control, going out of ketosis but still keeping the right calorie intake will likely be fine. I have a blood ketone monitor and test a few times a week. So I know I'm in ketosis. Just offering my experience.ive dieted most of my life so that may play a part. I don't feel like I'm dieting anymore since the choices seem second nature. I have to do everything for H. Left to his own devices he would for sure not be in ketosis without tracking.
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Post by tomato on Jun 25, 2017 19:11:56 GMT -6
I don't have any weight to lose, I'm doing this to control my diabetes. I am tracking everything closely, the hardest part is that I am really hungry all the time and sometimes I cheat and binge on low-carb foods. Saturated fats are worse (cream, coconut milk, coconut oil) but I have the same problem with too much olive oil. I've always had that reaction to fatty foods though. Is it even possible to do Keto and limit saturated fat? All the Keto information I have read is pretty pro-saturated fat. You need to keep tabs processed animal fats. Have you talked to a nutritionist? Suggesting a diet that makes you ill is ridiculous. It also puts you at a higher risk for DKA. I don't eat processed meats. I saw a nutritionist, she wanted me to do a 200 g carbs/day, low fat diet, raise my blood sugar and A1C targets and take meds. I am working with an Endo on diet and blood sugar targets, he is fine with me eating very low carb. I only feel sick when I eat too much. I'm trying to find better ways to feel less hungry while eating low enough carb to meet my targets.
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Post by catspajamas2 on Jun 28, 2017 1:35:01 GMT -6
I no longer track and follow lazy Keto. I check my blood ketone levels regularly to verify I remain in ketosis (so expensive but helpful). I've lost 85 lbs but have a bit more to go. Tracking was important before I got into a groove and got the meter.
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