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Post by dc2london on Nov 8, 2018 14:35:14 GMT -6
Let's do this. Should Chuck and Nancy stay on? Who should be Speaker? House Majority Leader? Senate Minority Leader?
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Post by athn64 on Nov 8, 2018 14:42:39 GMT -6
If not Pelosi, then who's the best person for Speaker? I think Dems do need to look to newer voices, but I'm not sure who the most qualified person is.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Nov 8, 2018 14:44:18 GMT -6
If not Pelosi, then who's the best person for Speaker? I think Dems do need to look to newer voices, but I'm not sure who the most qualified person is. I feel two ways about this. I hate the thought of just throwing out a powerful female leader in the name of new voices.
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Post by athn64 on Nov 8, 2018 14:50:42 GMT -6
If not Pelosi, then who's the best person for Speaker? I think Dems do need to look to newer voices, but I'm not sure who the most qualified person is. I feel two ways about this. I hate the thought of just throwing out a powerful female leader in the name of new voices. I agree with you. There are other places for leadership within the House where leadership could change, but we cannot just push all the freshmen congresspeople in top positions without them getting a little experience under their belts.
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Post by elle on Nov 8, 2018 14:54:10 GMT -6
No one can whip a vote like Pelosi. I think she should remain the majority leader, at least for now. On the other hand I'm very disappointed with Schumer and am ready for someone else to step into the role.
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Post by cakewench on Nov 8, 2018 14:56:40 GMT -6
No one can whip a vote like Pelosi. I think she should remain the majority leader, at least for now. On the other hand I'm very disappointed with Schumer and am ready for someone else to step into the role. Is there a reason she couldn't be majority whip, then? Or would that be an insulting step down? (Legit don't know how that works.)
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Post by dc2london on Nov 8, 2018 14:59:28 GMT -6
I was feeling very strongly that Nancy needed to be replaced as Speaker but
Clearly, healthcare is top of mind among voters and Leader Pelosi is the architect of the single largest healthcare legislation since the creation of Medicaid.
I'm not saying I'm all in on giving her the gavel, but it gives me pause.
And nobody can raise funds like her.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 8, 2018 15:00:27 GMT -6
I have a less conventional suggestion for Senate Minority Leader: Teri Sewell. A woman of color from a southern red state. She's not hyper partisan and she's well liked.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 8, 2018 15:01:39 GMT -6
I think for now with what is going on, we need a seasoned person in the speaker role.
I realize people HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE them but they get done what needs to be done and they have established ties to the other side. Which like or not, we are going to have to work with them.
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Post by athn64 on Nov 8, 2018 15:04:01 GMT -6
I'd like to see them both be replaced sooner than later. My choice for Speaker would be Clyburn. I'm amenable to several options on the Senate side. I saw that he was looking to go for Majority Whip. I think it all depends on who puts their names in the ring.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 8, 2018 15:19:02 GMT -6
I'm not crazy about the idea of replacing Pelosi right now. Love her or hate her, she's effective. And if they replace her with a white dude, I will scream bloody murder. Chuck on the other hand... Klobuchar tops my list for that. She would be great
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2018 15:27:44 GMT -6
I want Pelosi to stay and will be pretty upset if she is replaced. I mean I’ll get over it, but she’s my first choice.
Chuck can go. I don’t have any feels about who should replace him. I’d love to see a minority or a woman (or both). But gosh isn’t that making someone deal worth Mitch. Ugh.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 8, 2018 15:27:59 GMT -6
This is slightly off subject, but how long are DNC chair terms? I'd really like to see Tom Perez say adios before the 2020 election... Hopefully we take the presidency in 2020, at which point the PEOTUS would appoint a new Chair
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Post by crunch on Nov 8, 2018 15:28:42 GMT -6
Team Pelosi.
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Post by enchanted on Nov 8, 2018 15:30:24 GMT -6
I'm not crazy about the idea of replacing Pelosi right now. Love her or hate her, she's effective. And if they replace her with a white dude, I will scream bloody murder. Chuck on the other hand... Klobuchar tops my list for that. You speak for me today. These were my exact thoughts.
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Post by starbuck on Nov 8, 2018 15:37:54 GMT -6
I would love to see Klobuchar in the role. I understand the benefits of Pelosi and Schumer in terms of fundraising and whipping votes but with a divided congress we need someone who can legitimately form coalitions across the aisle. I don't think that's Pelosi. I don't think that's Schumer, either.
Strategically, both of those names carry baggage with the conservative crowd. It would be hard for House reps to go home to their districts and talk about how they're pals with Pelosi now, so I don't think most would even try. Klobuchar would be a more palatable a sell. I think there's still a leadership role for Nancy and Chuck, tho. Maybe just not THE leader.
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Post by starbuck on Nov 8, 2018 15:38:31 GMT -6
I dunno who to replace Chuck with.
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Post by cakewench on Nov 8, 2018 15:43:07 GMT -6
The fact that Trump wants Pelosi makes me pause. I don't know who else to go with, though.
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Post by starbuck on Nov 8, 2018 15:45:27 GMT -6
The fact that Trump wants Pelosi makes me pause. I don't know who else to go with, though. I don't think he really wants her tho. I think saying this is just how he keeps the narrative focused on himself. Much like how he is out there talking about how the midterms gave him a stronger coalition and will make it easier to do his job. On what planet?
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Post by Ls2012 on Nov 8, 2018 15:55:05 GMT -6
I'm not crazy about the idea of replacing Pelosi right now. Love her or hate her, she's effective. And if they replace her with a white dude, I will scream bloody murder. Chuck on the other hand... Klobuchar tops my list for that. +1
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Post by dc2london on Nov 8, 2018 15:56:38 GMT -6
The fact that Trump wants Pelosi makes me pause. I don't know who else to go with, though. He's terrified of her
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Post by cakewench on Nov 8, 2018 16:14:11 GMT -6
I thought I saw something yesterday where Trump is encouraging Pelosi because he knows a bunch of Dems don't want her and he's trying to sow discord. I could have dreamed it, though. N was up MOTN for over an hour last night so my braid is mush today
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Post by dc2london on Nov 8, 2018 16:20:25 GMT -6
well we're also trying to deal with a base that is truly splintered over how to handle Trump and his minions. Everything from "Why can't we end the divisiveness! Be nice!" while completely failing to hold the GOP accountable for their contribution to the divisiveness. And, at the same time, we've got a part of the base that calls for the head and job of any Democrat who DARES to act bipartisan. I don't know how you walk that tightrope.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 8, 2018 16:22:33 GMT -6
Also the Democratic party doesnt have a 24 hour a day propaganda machine writing the narrative for what the other party is and how we should respond. I know we bang on about Fox News here but it is a real problem. They're operating in a parallel universe and we can't pull them out.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2018 16:23:37 GMT -6
I thought I saw something yesterday where Trump is encouraging Pelosi because he knows a bunch of Dems don't want her and he's trying to sow discord. I could have dreamed it, though. N was up MOTN for over an hour last night so my braid is mush today This would be my guess. Wasn’t most of the anti Pelosi stuff started by Russian bots too? The playbook is in effect.
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Post by elle on Nov 8, 2018 16:24:04 GMT -6
I would love to see Klobuchar in the role. I understand the benefits of Pelosi and Schumer in terms of fundraising and whipping votes but with a divided congress we need someone who can legitimately form coalitions across the aisle. I don't think that's Pelosi. I don't think that's Schumer, either. Strategically, both of those names carry baggage with the conservative crowd. It would be hard for House reps to go home to their districts and talk about how they're pals with Pelosi now, so I don't think most would even try. Klobuchar would be a more palatable a sell. I think there's still a leadership role for Nancy and Chuck, tho. Maybe just not THE leader. I don't think Chuck and Nancy are the reason we can't form coalitions across the aisle. Like, I seriously want everyone to stop putting this shit on Democrats and Democratic leadership. We've watched the right take a fucking nosedive off the Nazi cliff in the last 8 years, but somehow Dems are at fault for not being open-minded enough to entertain notions that some people aren't actually people? You've got a legacy of Republican obstruction dating back to GD Gingrich, and Boehner, McConnell, and later Ryan turned it into a fine art during the Obama years, and Dems compromised to the point that Obama's signature healthcare legislation was literally straight from the Heritage Fund playbook and the GOP STILL turned around and have spent the last 8 years demonizing it and trying to get it overturned. But somehow Dems are still responsible for the fact that Republicans won't vote for a single goddamned thing if it has even a whiff of Democratic win to it. The hyperpartisan refusal to work across the aisle lies squarely on Republicans' shoulders, and as sick as I am of hearing journalists make this argument, I'm even more exasperated with folks on the left who repeat it. If you think Nancy and Chuck need to go, fine. I know there are good reasons for both. HOW EH VER, do not lay the responsibility for building coalitions on Democratic leadership. They have tried, and Republicans have known all along it was to their benefit to shut Dems out 100%.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2018 16:27:57 GMT -6
Pelosi is effective in gathering her people. She can go from the most progressive to the most moderate and get them on the same page.
This is going to be even more of a necessary skill with the newest Congress people. You’ve got Shaun King on twitter telling these new Congress people to not move towards the middle once they get to Congress because they ran on a progressive platform and they need to stay true to that. The pressure on them is going to be unreal. So when the Dems want to work with GOP on anything, they are going to put up bills that are compromises. We need a majority leader that can take a freshman, idealistic Congress person and explain why they need to vote for a compromise bill to get something done and then turn around and tell a moderate Dem the same thing.
Plus she can more than stand up to Trump.
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Post by elle on Nov 8, 2018 16:28:27 GMT -6
Can Team Pelosi expand on their reasoning? I'm genuinely curious. As I said, she's incredibly effective at what she does. I don't care if people don't like her because she's an old woman who's had too much plastic surgery or if people want to lay the blame for everything wrong with the Democratic party on her. People don't vote Republican because they hate Nancy. They vote Republican because they hate Democrats, and Nancy is the very embodiment of an effective, accomplished Democrat. I get frustrated with how everyone wants to lay all the ills of the Democratic party at her door. Most of the criticisms leveled at her boil down to: she's old, she's a woman, she's "unlikable" (because she's a woman), she is "too establishment", and given that the one leading the charge to oust her and the front runner to replace her is Tim Walking-Jar-of-Mayonnaise Ryan who has done little to distinguish himself in Congress beyond whining about Nancy and managing to stay fairly popular with racist Trump voters in his district, I'm just not sure I see a reason to replace someone doing a solid job because...people have a problem with women. I'm just here to applaud everything @heartbot says.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 8, 2018 16:29:20 GMT -6
I will accept Barbara Lee as her replacement. ::troll::
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Post by starbuck on Nov 8, 2018 16:31:21 GMT -6
I would love to see Klobuchar in the role. I understand the benefits of Pelosi and Schumer in terms of fundraising and whipping votes but with a divided congress we need someone who can legitimately form coalitions across the aisle. I don't think that's Pelosi. I don't think that's Schumer, either. Strategically, both of those names carry baggage with the conservative crowd. It would be hard for House reps to go home to their districts and talk about how they're pals with Pelosi now, so I don't think most would even try. Klobuchar would be a more palatable a sell. I think there's still a leadership role for Nancy and Chuck, tho. Maybe just not THE leader. I don't think Chuck and Nancy are the reason we can't form coalitions across the aisle. Like, I seriously want everyone to stop putting this shit on Democrats and Democratic leadership. We've watched the right take a fucking nosedive off the Nazi cliff in the last 8 years, but somehow Dems are at fault for not being open-minded enough to entertain notions that some people aren't actually people? You've got a legacy of Republican obstruction dating back to GD Gingrich, and Boehner, McConnell, and later Ryan turned it into a fine art during the Obama years, and Dems compromised to the point that Obama's signature healthcare legislation was literally straight from the Heritage Fund playbook and the GOP STILL turned around and have spent the last 8 years demonizing it and trying to get it overturned. But somehow Dems are still responsible for the fact that Republicans won't vote for a single goddamned thing if it has even a whiff of Democratic win to it. The hyperpartisan refusal to work across the aisle lies squarely on Republicans' shoulders, and as sick as I am of hearing journalists make this argument, I'm even more exasperated with folks on the left who repeat it. If you think Nancy and Chuck need to go, fine. I know there are good reasons for both. HOW EH VER, do not lay the responsibility for building coalitions on Democratic leadership. They have tried, and Republicans have known all along it was to their benefit to shut Dems out 100%. I take your point. I'm not saying that the status quo of refusing to work with the other side is Democrats' fault. I just struggle with how to move the needle on the divisiveness.
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