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Post by blurnette989 on Nov 13, 2018 9:52:03 GMT -6
Um, Virginia ladies. We need to get our white college graduated people because, no. They went for Stewart 50% compared to Kaine 47% Edit: Breaking it down further, white college educated women went for Kaine 53% but still went for Stewart 45% www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/virginiaRichmond was the capital of the confederacy, and it was a county in Virginia that effectively abolished public education for five years because they didn't want to integrate schools. Virginia's gone purple-blue but there are a lot of college-educated Virginians who are racist AF. Yep. I lived a block off monument avenue and was shocked to find the avenue chock full of Confederate statues- Lee, Jackson, Davis, Stuart, Maury, oh yeah then Arthur Ashe because that's appropriate. And most people we're very 🤷 about it all.
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Post by piratecat on Nov 13, 2018 12:37:41 GMT -6
More news from ME-2: Poliquin has filed a lawsuit to stop ranked choice voting to determine the winner because he is going to lose. link
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Post by piratecat on Nov 13, 2018 13:32:27 GMT -6
More news from ME-2: Poliquin has filed a lawsuit to stop ranked choice voting to determine the winner because he is going to lose. linkHow exactly does that work? Ranked choice voting or the lawsuit?
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Post by piratecat on Nov 13, 2018 13:37:13 GMT -6
It would be complete bullshit to say that RCV is not valid at this point because the voters made their decisions with the understanding that their second/third choice votes would be counted.
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Post by piratecat on Nov 13, 2018 14:39:41 GMT -6
Ranked choice voting or the lawsuit? The lawsuit. He claims RCV is against the U.S. Constitution. The state courts have thus far ruled against it for certain state elections saying it goes against state constitution which states plurality not majority vote to win elections and the state legislature has thus far refused to amend the constitution. But there have already been several court rulings for RCV for primaries and federal elections, which is why the U.S. senate and house elections were run that way in the first place, but we'll have to see where this lawsuit lands. Poliquin thinks he should win because he currently has the most number of votes but plenty of people would have voted differently if RCV wasn't on the ballot.
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Post by piratecat on Nov 13, 2018 15:20:44 GMT -6
He claims RCV is against the U.S. Constitution. The state courts have thus far ruled against it for certain state elections saying it goes against state constitution which states plurality not majority vote to win elections and the state legislature has thus far refused to amend the constitution. But there have already been several court rulings for RCV for primaries and federal elections, which is why the U.S. senate and house elections were run that way in the first place, but we'll have to see where this lawsuit lands. Poliquin thinks he should win because he currently has the most number of votes but plenty of people would have voted differently if RCV wasn't on the ballot. What is the goal of this lawsuit? To argue that the entire election is invalid, or that simply counting the votes based on the logic put forward in the ballot is invalid? Because arguing the results should only be accepted if only certain votes on the ballot are accepted, despite the instructions on the ballot, is going to be a tough sell. I don't think he is arguing the election is invalid. He wants the votes counted "“in accordance with traditional — and constitutional — procedures.” so he wants to be declared the winner and disregard the second/third ranked choices of the voters that voted for the other two independent candidates as their first/second choices. So even though voters were instructed to rank their candidates, he wants to count the votes as if it were not a RCV ballot. I only skimmed but here is the lawsuit.
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Post by cnf on Nov 13, 2018 15:23:38 GMT -6
A single woman and a guy with an eye patch definitely fills the diversity quota, guys.
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Post by piratecat on Nov 13, 2018 17:13:00 GMT -6
I don't think he is arguing the election is invalid. He wants the votes counted "“in accordance with traditional — and constitutional — procedures.” so he wants to be declared the winner and disregard the second/third ranked choices of the voters that voted for the other two independent candidates as their first/second choices. So even though voters were instructed to rank their candidates, he wants to count the votes as if it were not a RCV ballot. I only skimmed but here is the lawsuit. I just don't see any court accepting the argument that the means of the election are unconstitutional, but the results are fine if you just ignore the instructions on the ballot and the entire logic voters used in selecting their vote. It seems very petty and like he’s grasping at straws. And I certainly hope you’re right.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 13, 2018 17:38:35 GMT -6
Um, Virginia ladies. We need to get our white college graduated people because, no. They went for Stewart 50% compared to Kaine 47% Edit: Breaking it down further, white college educated women went for Kaine 53% but still went for Stewart 45% www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/virginiaWHAT THE DUCKL
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Post by jaygee on Nov 13, 2018 18:06:13 GMT -6
I just don't see any court accepting the argument that the means of the election are unconstitutional, but the results are fine if you just ignore the instructions on the ballot and the entire logic voters used in selecting their vote. It seems very petty and like he’s grasping at straws. And I certainly hope you’re right. Well we can’t be too surprised. McSally is getting touted as some national hero for conceding an election she actually factually lost. The entire GOP has lost the plot in democracy.
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Post by crunch on Nov 13, 2018 18:24:30 GMT -6
There some Virginia 01 drama tonight. Apparently Vangie Williams campaign sent out a pro 2nd amendment postcard to voters right before the election. It stated that she believes in gun rights and would never support a gun recall of any type and she would never support a gun registry. I did not know this about her. Before the primary she was definitely not singing that tune. Anyway, someone posted the postcard the other day and said they were disappointed in her and it looks like I’m not the only surprised one about her stance. The person who posted it was her primary challenger (who did support her and vote for her. He took a pic of his ballot) and now her director of communications is dragging him.
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Post by piratecat on Nov 13, 2018 18:43:08 GMT -6
It seems very petty and like he’s grasping at straws. And I certainly hope you’re right. Well we can’t be too surprised. McSally is getting touted as some national hero for conceding an election she actually factually lost. The entire GOP has lost the plot in democracy. Yep. The republican candidate for senate took a while to concede to Angus King in case he might fall below 50% and RCV would go into effect. If there was any chance RCV would have benefitted him, that would have put republicans in a weird spot.
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Post by elle on Nov 13, 2018 19:05:35 GMT -6
Katie Porter has taken the lead in CA 45!!! Granted she's only up by fewer than 300 votes but there's still more to count. Here's hoping her lead grows by leaps and bounds in the next few days.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 13, 2018 19:11:08 GMT -6
Katie Porter has taken the lead in CA 45!!! Granted she's only up by fewer than 300 votes but there's still more to count. Here's hoping her lead grows by leaps and bounds in the next few days. Oh emmm geee. This is exciting.
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Post by elle on Nov 13, 2018 19:14:17 GMT -6
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Post by crunch on Nov 13, 2018 19:16:17 GMT -6
Kim and Walters are both claiming foul play as the votes are counted and their lead diminishes.
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Post by elle on Nov 13, 2018 19:21:40 GMT -6
Kim and Walters are both claiming foul play as the votes are counted and their lead diminishes. Of course they are, they're both awful.
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Post by hangry on Nov 13, 2018 19:26:39 GMT -6
He claims RCV is against the U.S. Constitution. The state courts have thus far ruled against it for certain state elections saying it goes against state constitution which states plurality not majority vote to win elections and the state legislature has thus far refused to amend the constitution. But there have already been several court rulings for RCV for primaries and federal elections, which is why the U.S. senate and house elections were run that way in the first place, but we'll have to see where this lawsuit lands. Poliquin thinks he should win because he currently has the most number of votes but plenty of people would have voted differently if RCV wasn't on the ballot. I want to start off by saying that Poliquin is definitely grasping at straws because he is afraid of the outcome. If he were on the other side, he would def be pushing the RCV thing. But I’m trying to come up with a way in which people would have voted differently if RCV wasn’t in play and I can’t come up with anything? Why do you think that? I am a Maine voter and my first choices would not have changed if we didn’t have RCV.
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Post by piratecat on Nov 13, 2018 19:56:19 GMT -6
He claims RCV is against the U.S. Constitution. The state courts have thus far ruled against it for certain state elections saying it goes against state constitution which states plurality not majority vote to win elections and the state legislature has thus far refused to amend the constitution. But there have already been several court rulings for RCV for primaries and federal elections, which is why the U.S. senate and house elections were run that way in the first place, but we'll have to see where this lawsuit lands. Poliquin thinks he should win because he currently has the most number of votes but plenty of people would have voted differently if RCV wasn't on the ballot. I want to start off by saying that Poliquin is definitely grasping at straws because he is afraid of the outcome. If he were on the other side, he would def be pushing the RCV thing. But I’m trying to come up with a way in which people would have voted differently if RCV wasn’t in play and I can’t come up with anything? Why do you think that? I am a Maine voter and my first choices would not have changed if we didn’t have RCV. I think that it is easier to vote third party if you know that your second or even third choice will go towards one of the two major party candidates when it came down to it. You’re not “throwing away your vote” by voting third party like in a traditional election. I’m not in CD2 but I have seen many many people advocate for ranking Ringlestein first, King second, knowing Ringlestein has a very slim chance of winning but that it won’t cost King the election and they won’t be helping Brakey win by doing so. I think they would have definitely thought twice if RCV was not in play. ETA: And I think given how close the CD2 results are currently, it could definitely have been enough to affect the outcome.
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Post by hangry on Nov 13, 2018 20:05:58 GMT -6
I want to start off by saying that Poliquin is definitely grasping at straws because he is afraid of the outcome. If he were on the other side, he would def be pushing the RCV thing. But I’m trying to come up with a way in which people would have voted differently if RCV wasn’t in play and I can’t come up with anything? Why do you think that? I am a Maine voter and my first choices would not have changed if we didn’t have RCV. I think that it is easier to vote third party if you know that your second or even third choice will go towards one of the two major party candidates when it came down to it. You’re not “throwing away your vote” by voting third party like in a traditional election. I’m not in CD2 but I have seen many many people advocate for ranking Ringlestein first, King second, knowing Ringlestein has a very slim chance of winning but that it won’t cost King the election and they won’t be helping Brakey win by doing so. I think they would have definitely thought twice if RCV was not in play. ETA: And I think given how close the CD2 results are currently, it could definitely have been enough to affect the outcome. Ohh ok, that makes sense for those maybe voting for the independents. Be interesting to see how it plays out with this lawsuit and RCV.
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Post by piratecat on Nov 13, 2018 20:08:14 GMT -6
I think that it is easier to vote third party if you know that your second or even third choice will go towards one of the two major party candidates when it came down to it. You’re not “throwing away your vote” by voting third party like in a traditional election. I’m not in CD2 but I have seen many many people advocate for ranking Ringlestein first, King second, knowing Ringlestein has a very slim chance of winning but that it won’t cost King the election and they won’t be helping Brakey win by doing so. I think they would have definitely thought twice if RCV was not in play. ETA: And I think given how close the CD2 results are currently, it could definitely have been enough to affect the outcome. Ohh ok, that makes sense for those maybe voting for the independents. Be interesting to see how it plays out with this lawsuit and RCV. It will definitely be interesting and exciting if RCV works the way it was designed to. It’s nice to see more people from Maine! Are you in CD2?
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Post by elle on Nov 13, 2018 21:53:49 GMT -6
Harder wins in California!
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Post by jaygee on Nov 13, 2018 22:47:42 GMT -6
This is a cool thread about the work Katie Porter did to manage the bank settlements from the foreclosure process. And also, she was investigating this on her own before the 2008 market crash.
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Post by crunch on Nov 14, 2018 4:25:04 GMT -6
This morning I present to you, dumbfuck Marco Rubio
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Post by cnf on Nov 14, 2018 4:55:45 GMT -6
This morning I present to you, dumbfuck Marco Rubio How can you be a life time politician and not know how voting works? Election night and a football game are not comparable, ohmygod.
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Post by crunch on Nov 14, 2018 5:00:02 GMT -6
This morning I present to you, dumbfuck Marco Rubio How can you be a life time politician and not know how voting works? Election night and a football game are not comparable, ohmygod. I'd place bets he knows exactly how voting works but he's getting scared that his friends won't win. I bet if roles were reversed he'd want every vote to count.
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Post by cnf on Nov 14, 2018 6:26:27 GMT -6
How can you be a life time politician and not know how voting works? Election night and a football game are not comparable, ohmygod. I'd place bets he knows exactly how voting works but he's getting scared that his friends won't win. I bet if roles were reversed he'd want every vote to count. Oh, absolutely, I know he knows. He's pulling the same decietful bullshit as the rest of them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 6:54:28 GMT -6
This morning I present to you, dumbfuck Marco Rubio I mean if he must compare it to a football game, the correct comparison would be that it's like ending the game after the 3rd quarter. Not the entire game has been played. Dumbass.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 14, 2018 10:00:50 GMT -6
This made me laugh (I mean its not funny but it sorta is)
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Post by piratecat on Nov 14, 2018 10:34:38 GMT -6
This morning I present to you, dumbfuck Marco Rubio <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 12px; top: 116px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_55639755" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 510px; top: 116px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_51453155" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 12px; top: 271px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_79327181" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="11.199999999999989" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 11.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 510px; top: 271px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_19017100" scrolling="no"></iframe> That non-analogy makes zero sense.
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