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Post by brux on Oct 23, 2018 9:02:54 GMT -6
If I were creeping up to someone's house to do them harm, I think I would turn my car around so it's facing out towards the street to make my getaway easier. So I don't think I'd park directly behind mom's car.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 23, 2018 9:03:33 GMT -6
Tlex When we were robbed years ago, our front door was kicked in. So it is possible for a random robbery to have a kicked in door. same. We came home from work to find our door kicked in I don't think ours was random though because it happened when our neighbors who are usually home during the day (retired) left for an hour, but i know what you are saying
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Post by McBenny on Oct 23, 2018 9:15:03 GMT -6
Maybe the girl pissed off the wrong person? Tied her to the chair while they killed her parents? Shot dad. Mom went to the bathroom. They got the girl tied up and busted into the bathroom. Found that the mom has called 911 so they killed her, grabbed the girl, and ran. Maybe they had more of a draw out process in mind for her? Maybe met the wrong person online and told them she'd go with them but her parents wouldn't let her? When they showed up to solve that problem she freaked out? This makes more sense to me then the other scenario of taking her cause I am out of bullets etc.
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 23, 2018 9:29:10 GMT -6
of course. I got shitfaced on cans of miller lite. Fly here and I’ll book their finest suite for the weekend for us. It actually sounds glorious. Maybe we can do a little murder investigation and gambling. I would watch that show.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 23, 2018 9:33:51 GMT -6
I think the police would only be so intentionally vague when it came to a missing 13 year old if they know who was involved only if they a)knew for sure she wasn’t alive - and they’d have to be pretty sure or b) they think she was a part of it or unsure if she was. Which lends credence to the online situation going out of control and not knowing if she was apart of it or not.
Or they know nothing at all.
I think it’s b.
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Post by grumpycakes on Oct 23, 2018 10:41:31 GMT -6
I think the police would only be so intentionally vague when it came to a missing 13 year old if they know who was involved only if they a)knew for sure she wasn’t alive - and they’d have to be pretty sure or b) they think she was a part of it or unsure if she was. Which lends credence to the online situation going out of control and not knowing if she was apart of it or not. Or they know nothing at all. I think it’s b. The sheriff was quoted in the first article that was linked as having 100% expectation that she is alive. I agree they must have a working theory that she was involved to some degree. Or maybe they don’t think she was involved, but they are confident they know who took her and why. Why else would he say that, especially with the fact that, probably more often than not, individuals missing for any length of time are found dead?
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Post by catmom88 on Oct 23, 2018 11:21:03 GMT -6
I think that it was a robbery gone bad. That is my two cents after reading this whole thread.
I do find it very strange how the general public still knows nothing. I'm under the impression someone does based on what they could gather from the 911 call.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Oct 23, 2018 11:55:55 GMT -6
Why would the general public have information?
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Post by catmom88 on Oct 23, 2018 12:02:54 GMT -6
Why would the general public have information? I mean as far as someone knowing something about dirt or having heard something given the small town feel and closeness of the home to the highway.
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Post by mb3 on Oct 23, 2018 12:07:27 GMT -6
One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned in here....have the police given guidance on how the community should behave? Like they haven’t been telling them to take extra precautions or something OR saying “we don’t anticipate any danger to the larger community” have they? I’ve seen both types of statements made by police after semi similar incidents but nothing for this.
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Post by Pistol on Oct 23, 2018 12:09:41 GMT -6
One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned in here....have the police given guidance on how the community should behave? Like they haven’t been telling them to take extra precautions or something OR saying “we don’t anticipate any danger to the larger community” have they? I’ve seen both types of statements made by police after semi similar incidents but nothing for this. I might be making it up but I thought there was a statement along the lines of there’s been no further acts of violence since.
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Post by Pistol on Oct 23, 2018 12:11:39 GMT -6
^^I’ve been reading a lot of murder themed books lately so that may be from one of my books rather than real life. I’m not 100% either way.
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Post by CestLaVie on Oct 23, 2018 12:16:16 GMT -6
One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned in here....have the police given guidance on how the community should behave? Like they haven’t been telling them to take extra precautions or something OR saying “we don’t anticipate any danger to the larger community” have they? I’ve seen both types of statements made by police after semi similar incidents but nothing for this. "To say the public's not in danger, I can't say that, but I want the public to be aware we know of no immediate danger, we know of no other threats in the area but everyone should be aware of their surroundings all the time" [13] from websleuths timeline
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Post by Cher on Oct 23, 2018 12:17:29 GMT -6
Well... here’s my working theory. The house in an area with a casino and a drug presence. It’s on a main road but it’s also not directly on top of its neighbors. It’s a location that probably hosts people that need quick money for unsavory reasons and the Closs house is an easy target. Someone(s) comes to door and is met by dad. Dad is killed. Mom hears the commotion and barricades herself in bathroom and calls 911. She’s killed. Jayme comes out, or is already out, but at this point murderer(s) see 911 is called. They panic and leave immediately, taking Jayme with them. She is likely not alive. I mean, I could be completely wrong. It just seems weird that the police seem like they have nothing and there’s no rumors emerging. In this scenario, why take her to begin with? She could have just been killed there. I agree that’s really weird. I can only think that they weren’t prepared to kill a kid or it was just a moment of panic knowing the cops were called.
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Post by Cher on Oct 23, 2018 12:18:05 GMT -6
One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned in here....have the police given guidance on how the community should behave? Like they haven’t been telling them to take extra precautions or something OR saying “we don’t anticipate any danger to the larger community” have they? I’ve seen both types of statements made by police after semi similar incidents but nothing for this. "To say the public's not in danger, I can't say that, but I want the public to be aware we know of no immediate danger, we know of no other threats in the area but everyone should be aware of their surroundings all the time" [13] from websleuths timeline Which sounds like “we have no clue.”
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Post by GhoatMonket on Oct 23, 2018 12:19:45 GMT -6
Why would the general public have information? I mean as far as someone knowing something about dirt or having heard something given the small town feel and closeness of the home to the highway. The police and FBI would have spoken with anyone and likely told them to keep it quiet and it would not be released to the media. Unless there is a threat of imminent danger to the general public, not letting them in on things to get in the way or try to be vigilantes isn't a bad thing. Police do not owe it to the public to release every bit of information as it is discovered. So many people (not necessarily people here) seem to think this any more.
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Post by willow on Oct 23, 2018 12:22:19 GMT -6
This whole thing is just so crazy. Most of my sons paternal relatives (ex ILs) live in that area and everyone is just so perplexed. It’s the kind of place where people rest easy because it’s generally very safe and no crazy shit like this happens.
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Post by mb3 on Oct 23, 2018 12:23:34 GMT -6
One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned in here....have the police given guidance on how the community should behave? Like they haven’t been telling them to take extra precautions or something OR saying “we don’t anticipate any danger to the larger community” have they? I’ve seen both types of statements made by police after semi similar incidents but nothing for this. "To say the public's not in danger, I can't say that, but I want the public to be aware we know of no immediate danger, we know of no other threats in the area but everyone should be aware of their surroundings all the time" [13] from websleuths timeline Thanks. I must have missed that. To me it feels, from this, like they believe it was a targeted attack vs random and they just put in the “stay aware of surroundings” as a cover your ass type thing.
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Post by CestLaVie on Oct 23, 2018 12:26:25 GMT -6
do you think the person who did this showed up to the search?
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Post by GhoatMonket on Oct 23, 2018 12:29:47 GMT -6
do you think the person who did this showed up to the search? That would be so fucked up.
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Post by CestLaVie on Oct 23, 2018 12:32:20 GMT -6
do you think the person who did this showed up to the search? That would be so fucked up. It would be. But it happens over and over again and would give them a chance to try to find whatever was left behind and get rid of it? That's a stretch but who knows.
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Post by jorkzy on Oct 23, 2018 12:33:49 GMT -6
do you think the person who did this showed up to the search? That would be so fucked up. We had a local case several years ago where the H did it and was the one organizing searches and crying in front of the cameras. In that case, the cops figured he did it and were just gathering info while he thought he was playing them. People are crazy.
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Post by Cher on Oct 23, 2018 12:36:04 GMT -6
The person who did it loves to go to the search.
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Post by emma on Oct 23, 2018 12:39:37 GMT -6
The person who did it loves to go to the search. ::cough:: Keith Papini ::cough:: stall salty about the lack of closure on that case
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 12:40:14 GMT -6
"To say the public's not in danger, I can't say that, but I want the public to be aware we know of no immediate danger, we know of no other threats in the area but everyone should be aware of their surroundings all the time" [13] from websleuths timeline Which sounds like “we have no clue.” Yes. Usually when they know who did it and/or have them in custody (or are watching them) they will say there is no further threat to the community. To me it sounds like they do not know who did it and aren't watching anyone specific which is why they say basically keep an eye out.
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Post by emma on Oct 23, 2018 12:42:51 GMT -6
I feel like a lot of this points to it being planned and Jayme being passively involved somehow.
The car parked on the drive doesn't suggest much to me. I mean why not park next to his wife's car? If I had that much space I wouldn't be pulling up right behind either to give the other person room to maneuver easily
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Post by GhoatMonket on Oct 23, 2018 12:50:09 GMT -6
I feel like a lot of this points to it being planned and Jayme being passively involved somehow. The car parked on the drive doesn't suggest much to me. I mean why not park next to his wife's car? If I had that much space I wouldn't be pulling up right behind either to give the other person room to maneuver easily My step dad parks random places all the time. My uncle did too when they had a large driveway/parking area.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 23, 2018 12:52:24 GMT -6
The person who did it loves to go to the search. ::cough:: Keith Papini ::cough:: stall salty about the lack of closure on that case Scott Petterson Ariel castro Most do. Especially if they know their victim
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Post by Pistol on Oct 23, 2018 12:58:29 GMT -6
do you think the person who did this showed up to the search? That would be so fucked up. But not a stretch by any means.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 23, 2018 13:01:54 GMT -6
Apparently there is a live stream of the search (link is on reddit, can’t bring myself to watch that) and so far an orange moped type bike and a red sweatshirt have been found and are being evaluated as possible evidence.
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