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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 15:45:51 GMT -6
Bringing the dog strikes me as a move to get to Jayme’s emotions, maybe to give her the sense that there’s still something to return to and someone who needs her back home. Yes yes yes! Exactly.
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Post by Jesslfar on Oct 24, 2018 15:48:41 GMT -6
Jon Benet's brother did it. I'm still not sold on Madeline and whether the parents did it or not. I'm not sure if the podcast episode was removed but real crime profile had some JonBenet episodes and I'm pretty sold on the brother did it and her parents horrified covered it up. They went in to great detail about the ransom letters. It was a good listen. I believe anything that Jim Clemente and Laura Richards say 👍 The parents had no reason just like Madeline's to do it so either it was an accident that they covered up which would mean either they did something (along the sleeping pills line) or the brother did. No other motivation for covering it up.
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Post by Foxy on Oct 24, 2018 15:49:12 GMT -6
Have we discussed the possibility that there could have been more than one assaialant? funny bc I've assumed there was more than one this whole time. it seems like a lot of work for one person to manage, knowing there would be three people inside the house. I assumed there was more then 1 assailant as well, I think a lot has to do with the door being kicked in. I wouldn't think that would be a one kick and it's open kind of thing, which would mean the family inside would have had some warning because of the noise of the door. It seems really bold to do alone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 15:49:23 GMT -6
I think mom called. Jamie was involved.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 24, 2018 15:57:15 GMT -6
Could mom have called and been dead 4.5 minutes later?
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Post by lucylou on Oct 24, 2018 15:57:38 GMT -6
As far as the lapse in time from when neighbor heard the shots and the 911 call was made- didn’t the neighbor say he heard 2 shots back to back bang-bang? So I’m thinking they first encountered the dad at the door and fired one shot (based on how it was described he was found). The neighbor sleeps through this shot. Jayme hears it and runs into her parent’s room. The intruders make their way to the back of the house and Jayme hides. Mom tries to confront them; they shoot her and those are the shots that wake the neighbor up. Intruders don’t realize Jayme is in the parents room and leave it to search the rest of the house or look for her or whatever they’re there for. Jayme sneaks out of her hiding place to grab her mom’s phone, calls 911, then either they hear her or they come back in and the 911 operator hears the commotion in the background.
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 16:01:13 GMT -6
Today on Reddit, a few different people expanded the timeline. I also assumed we were talking about 4 minutes. But it's 7.
911 call came in at 12:56. Three minutes later, officers were dispatched. Four minutes after that, they were at the house at 1:03.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:03:00 GMT -6
The 4 minute thing is almost impossible to believe especially with the new information that the 911 operator didn’t even have a conversation with anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:05:06 GMT -6
I think the 911 call is important given the didn’t directly speak with anyone. Like what was going on that prompted them to dispatch an officer immediately just merely on background noise.
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 16:05:54 GMT -6
At 12:56, when the call came in, this was the 911 operator's entry: RECEIVED A 911 CALL FROM XXX-XXX-XXXX AND COULD HEAR A LOT OF YELLING. CALLED NUMBER BACK AND WAS UNABLE TO LEAVE A VOICEMAIL.
I would think "a lot of yelling" has to be from at least Denise plus someone else. If only Jayme was alive at that point, why would the intruders be yelling at her?
And if she was the caller, I don't think she'd be the yeller and also trying to hide that she's calling 911 at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:06:34 GMT -6
Because the background noise couldn’t have been discreet. It would’ve had to of been either gun shots or “help me” screams.
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 16:07:32 GMT -6
And not for nothing, but does a teenage girl yell? or scream?
Maybe 911 operators don't use the word scream, but yelling is a word I use for adults or deeper-pitched voices. I would use the word scream for a terrified teenage girl
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 16:08:12 GMT -6
Because the background noise couldn’t have been discreet. It would’ve had to of been either gun shots or “help me” screams. yeah, I'm assuming it was loud background noise. yelling and at least some distinct words of distress.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:09:21 GMT -6
So if she called back, she wasn’t on the phone for the full 3 minutes? Someone hung up the phone. The killer hung the phone up, shots the mom and takes off with Jayme
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 16:10:00 GMT -6
i'm not putting much stock in what the neighbours thought they heard or what time they thought it was. When people are woken up they are not great at identifying an exact noise or remembering details like exactly what time the clock said.
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Post by willow on Oct 24, 2018 16:10:39 GMT -6
I’m curious as to why the 911 operator initially thought it was a suicide, for however brief it was. Like what they heard to first think that.
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 16:13:08 GMT -6
maybe the shot didn't kill mom right away and she managed to hit 911 if she had her phone in her hand, which could happen if she grabbed it after hearing dad being shot? Maybe the yelling was Jayme and the other person because she knew them and didnt expect them to shoot her parents.
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 16:13:30 GMT -6
So if she called back, she wasn’t on the phone for the full 3 minutes? Someone hung up the phone. The killer hung the phone up, shots the mom and takes off with Jayme yes. I assume the call was brief. Bc the operator called back and also looked up and tried to call the landline. I assume all this before dispatching officers, trying to figure out more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:13:42 GMT -6
I NEED ANSWERS
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 16:16:17 GMT -6
maybe the shot didn't kill mom right away and she managed to hit 911 if she had her phone in her hand, which could happen if she grabbed it after hearing dad being shot? Maybe the yelling was Jayme and the other person because she knew them and didnt expect them to shoot her parents. but even if it was jayme, I would be screaming “oh my god” or something else if my parents were killed. I keep thinking yelling is either someone trying to exert control or shouting commands. Like “get away” or “leave her alone” as opposed to “help”
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 24, 2018 16:16:52 GMT -6
I’m curious as to why the 911 operator initially thought it was a suicide, for however brief it was. Like what they heard to first think that. I don't think it was the 911 operator. The first cop on the scene, in the 1st 30 seconds he was there, said that. Then the next guy coming in reported otherwise. according to reddit timeline
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:17:58 GMT -6
Dad was killed on sight. Mom and Jayme stay alive. Mom is pleading with killer (her brother). Killer kills the mom. Killer starts feeling guilt. Jayme starts feeling guilt. Killer picks up gun and says he’s going to kill himself. Jayme says she’s going to call the police. Killer says no, hangs up the phone and they bounce up out of there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:18:14 GMT -6
Case closed.
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 16:18:56 GMT -6
maybe the shot didn't kill mom right away and she managed to hit 911 if she had her phone in her hand, which could happen if she grabbed it after hearing dad being shot? Maybe the yelling was Jayme and the other person because she knew them and didnt expect them to shoot her parents. but even if it was jayme, I would be screaming “oh my god” or something else if my parents were killed. I keep thinking yelling is either someone trying to exert control or shouting commands. Like “get away” or “leave her alone” as opposed to “help” oh maybe there was 2 people and dude #1 did not expect dude #2 to shoot anyone, he thought they bought the guns for intimidation and is yelling "WTF did you just do". I feel i've seen some variation of this on Liftime
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 16:19:22 GMT -6
Was Jayme def on that call? Maybe Mom called after being shot and Jayme was gone, seeing husband dead, she screamed but wasn’t in her right wits to talk to 911? Then mom died, cops show, explains why no one is at house and no bad guys on the road.
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 16:19:42 GMT -6
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 16:20:43 GMT -6
no one knows who was on the call
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:21:10 GMT -6
I should get paid for this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 16:21:34 GMT -6
Was Jayme def on that call? Maybe Mom called after being shot and Jayme was gone, seeing husband dead, she screamed but wasn’t in her right wits to talk to 911? Then mom died, cops show, explains why no one is at house and no bad guys on the road. This is an excellent point.
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 16:21:45 GMT -6
no one knows who was on the call I kinda know that but I’m just going to keep screaming things into this thread until we crack the case.
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