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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 15:11:37 GMT -6
1,550 tips and 1,250 have been closed out.
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Jesslfar
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Post by Jesslfar on Oct 24, 2018 15:11:55 GMT -6
I think Madeline is a very confusing case. I don’t think it was the parents. like i said i have no strong theories but i really don't believe the parents were involved. They are still out there campaigning to find her and paying private agencies. I'm of the opinion they may have given her something to sleep and it went badly like a half of a sleeping pill and they covered it up or else they were not involved.
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Cher
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 15:12:02 GMT -6
I don’t see anything great about the overall guy. I think it just really highlights how much they don’t have if that’s the big tip being talked about.
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Post by willow on Oct 24, 2018 15:12:26 GMT -6
I remember tons of my friends liking Starbucks in middle school, so i don’t find that weird. I feel like it was the “cool” thing to do, to drink coffee. The dog thing makes me even more sad, for some reason. Poor doggie lost his whole family.
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brux
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 15:13:17 GMT -6
Aunt’s plea directly to Jayme was interesting. Can you think of any similar cases where family appealed directly to the missing, Cher or other TC experts? McBenny ? I assumed that was hedging, talking directly to her in case she left semi-willingly. I feel like that's SOP when someone is missing, but not necessarily in a kidnapping situation.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 15:14:14 GMT -6
Aunt’s plea directly to Jayme was interesting. Can you think of any similar cases where family appealed directly to the missing, Cher or other TC experts? McBenny ? I assumed that was hedging, talking directly to her in case she left semi-willingly. I feel like that's SOP when someone is missing, but not necessarily in a kidnapping situation. Yeah I should have said kidnapping
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Post by bobyn on Oct 24, 2018 15:14:22 GMT -6
From Reddit: "There was discussion that the search might have been a decoy. Perhaps to throw the perp off while they do some deep digging somewhere else? It’ll be interesting to see what information gets released today."
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Jesslfar
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Post by Jesslfar on Oct 24, 2018 15:14:51 GMT -6
Aunt’s plea directly to Jayme was interesting. Can you think of any similar cases where family appealed directly to the missing, Cher or other TC experts? McBenny ? I assumed that was hedging, talking directly to her in case she left semi-willingly. I feel like that's SOP when someone is missing, but not necessarily in a kidnapping situation. I know we have seen it before when the kid is of a certain age and could possibly have gone along willingly.
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 15:15:24 GMT -6
like i said i have no strong theories but i really don't believe the parents were involved. They are still out there campaigning to find her and paying private agencies. I'm of the opinion they may have given her something to sleep and it went badly like a half of a sleeping pill and they covered it up or else they were not involved. that's the only way i can see them being involved but the where's the body? I've been to the village she disappeared from and spent a number of vacations in the region, it's a very touristy area and there's not a lot of places you could go to quickly to hide a body that still hasn't turned up 10 years later
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Post by bobyn on Oct 24, 2018 15:16:11 GMT -6
Also from Reddit: "My friend lives in Barron and spoke to a family member of the Closs' he said the family member told him that in the past few months a few of the Closs homes have been broken into. Like a grandma's house an Uncle and a cousin or something.
Not sure if this information is true or not but if that's the case then maybe this was a family member."
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Cher
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Post by Cher on Oct 24, 2018 15:16:21 GMT -6
What did she directly appeal to her?
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Post by stampingqueen on Oct 24, 2018 15:17:19 GMT -6
13yo’s have a favorite iced coffee? I initially read it as the dog's favorite iced coffee because I didn't see Jayme name...
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Post by bobyn on Oct 24, 2018 15:17:32 GMT -6
What did she directly appeal to her? Come home to see your dog, let's go on our girls' shopping day, here's some Starbucks...
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Post by Tlex on Oct 24, 2018 15:21:20 GMT -6
Bringing the dog strikes me as a move to get to Jayme’s emotions, maybe to give her the sense that there’s still something to return to and someone who needs her back home.
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brux
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 15:24:33 GMT -6
The aunt emphasized how much they miss jayme, how wonderful jayme is, and how sad her dog is without her.
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Post by willow on Oct 24, 2018 15:25:40 GMT -6
Bringing the dog strikes me as a move to get to Jayme’s emotions, maybe to give her the sense that there’s still something to return to and someone who needs her back home. I thought that too. It’s a good idea, for sure, if she’s still alive. Though I do wonder if she would have ability to watch the conference if she is alive. I can’t imagine she has much autonomy even if the person/people are making her think she does.
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Post by emma on Oct 24, 2018 15:25:55 GMT -6
This is really reinforcing my initial feeling that she was peripherally involved and left willingly
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 15:26:04 GMT -6
It was odd how the aunt addressed jayme for 2/3 of her statement and then only the last 1/3 was devoted to whoever took/has/knows about her.
It wasn't a true kidnapping statement directed 100% to the kidnapper.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 24, 2018 15:26:13 GMT -6
So they really have nothing huh?
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 24, 2018 15:27:53 GMT -6
My assumption from the beginning was that whoever called 911 was incapacitated or couldn't let the attacker know they were on the phone. I assumed this was Jayme and that as soon as the attacker saw the call they high tailed it
It had not occurred to me that the mom might have called after Jayme was already out of the house. It seems unlikely though since mom was dead on the scene less than 5 minutes later
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 24, 2018 15:28:24 GMT -6
Have we discussed the possibility that there could have been more than one assaialant?
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 15:28:41 GMT -6
from reddit and I agree "If the murders weren't part of what happened it would have almost sounded like they were looking for a runaway to me."
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 15:30:54 GMT -6
After the reporters pressed about her being alive, and there was the response about I'm not telling you what we have, I'm telling you what we're doing.
It came across like they have a person, or persons in mind, but nothing to find them or nab them on.
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 15:31:39 GMT -6
Have we discussed the possibility that there could have been more than one assaialant? funny bc I've assumed there was more than one this whole time. it seems like a lot of work for one person to manage, knowing there would be three people inside the house.
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Post by Foxy on Oct 24, 2018 15:35:52 GMT -6
This is a dumb confession but I’m putting down in here. I have this belief that when I die, that when I go to the afterlife all the questions I have ever wanted to know are answered, including and sometimes especially true crime stuff. So I have like a running list in my head of the murders and mysteries I want the answers to when I die. Madeline and Jon Benet are right up there. Jon Benet's brother did it. I'm still not sold on Madeline and whether the parents did it or not. I'm not sure if the podcast episode was removed but real crime profile had some JonBenet episodes and I'm pretty sold on the brother did it and her parents horrified covered it up. They went in to great detail about the ransom letters. It was a good listen. I believe anything that Jim Clemente and Laura Richards say 👍
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Post by xtine22 on Oct 24, 2018 15:36:47 GMT -6
Have we discussed the possibility that there could have been more than one assaialant? funny bc I've assumed there was more than one this whole time. it seems like a lot of work for one person to manage, knowing there would be three people inside the house. I also always assumed it was at least 2 people.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 24, 2018 15:38:27 GMT -6
Have we discussed the possibility that there could have been more than one assaialant? funny bc I've assumed there was more than one this whole time. it seems like a lot of work for one person to manage, knowing there would be three people inside the house. I was thinking this as well but I don't know if it's been brought up. Or did we all just assume it?
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 24, 2018 15:39:46 GMT -6
Two people sort of negates the online boyfriend and/or stalker theory no?
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brux
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Post by brux on Oct 24, 2018 15:40:37 GMT -6
Two people sort of negates the online boyfriend and/or stalker theory no? good point. I don't know why I'm incapable of critical thinking on this one.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 24, 2018 15:44:48 GMT -6
Two people sort of negates the online boyfriend and/or stalker theory no? good point. I don't know why I'm incapable of critical thinking on this one. I am constantly waffling. I have no sense of what I think.
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