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Post by notblanche on Jul 11, 2018 6:13:29 GMT -6
I feel like the life term would be appropriate if the justices actually were not swayed by politics, but I feel like they are anyway so it seems problematic in practice. I also sometimes wish that there was a mandatory retirement age. I know that’s probably age discrimination and not doable, and that it would cause a whole host of other issues, but I just feel for Ruth. Maybe she would like a couple of quiet years of retirement at some point? I believe Ruth is exactly where she wants to be.
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Post by cakewench on Jul 11, 2018 6:35:09 GMT -6
In a Facebook fight with someone over faith in politics. Apparently wanting abortion and gay marriage to remain legal is forcing my secular beliefs on people of faith, but banning those things because of faith isn’t forcing your faith on others. Ok. The logic is strong with this one 😒🤦🏼♀️ When he started claiming that throughout history nobody had been forced into "traditional" or that pro-life policies had been forced in medicine, I peaced out. There's no reasoning with someone like that. Plus every time I thought about mentioning the Inquisition, this was all I could think about: (there are a surprising lack of non-Monty Python Inquisition gifs...)
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Post by dc2london on Jul 11, 2018 6:36:07 GMT -6
The last bullet point there really drives it home
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 6:36:44 GMT -6
In a Facebook fight with someone over faith in politics. Apparently wanting abortion and gay marriage to remain legal is forcing my secular beliefs on people of faith, but banning those things because of faith isn’t forcing your faith on others. Ok. My response to this person:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 6:39:46 GMT -6
Re: term limits at the Supreme Court. I think that's a fine idea in theory, but it would be a nightmare to implement at this point. Now that Kennedy is gone, RBG and Breyer are the two oldest. Do you force retirement on them during the next presidential term? What if Trump gets re-elected and gets 2 more picks? I have trouble seeing it working fairly.
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Re: term limits at the Supreme Court. I think that's a fine idea in theory, but it would be a nightmare to implement at this point. Now that Kennedy is gone, RBG and Breyer are the two oldest. Do you force retirement on them during the next presidential term? What if Trump gets re-elected and gets 2 more picks? I have trouble seeing it working fairly. You could grandfather in sitting jurists and apply term limits to future appointees
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Post by piratecat on Jul 11, 2018 6:47:47 GMT -6
Brad Heath (@bradheath) Tweeted: DOJ says one child under 5 can't be reunited because "the parent's location has been unknown for more than a year." Also, both the parent and the child who's been in the government's custody "might be U.S. citizens." t.co/gOCO0jCY8O Child in Custody might be a US citizen, the parent too. Why the fuck did they take the child away from the parent in the first place then?! They just might be US citizens after all this fuckery?! And they're just gonna be like oops, sorry, can't find the parents??!?!?!!?!?!!?!? What in the fucking fuck fuck fuck?!
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Post by blurnette989 on Jul 11, 2018 7:03:13 GMT -6
Brad Heath (@bradheath) Tweeted: DOJ says one child under 5 can't be reunited because "the parent's location has been unknown for more than a year." Also, both the parent and the child who's been in the government's custody "might be U.S. citizens." t.co/gOCO0jCY8O Child in Custody might be a US citizen, the parent too. Why the fuck did they take the child away from the parent in the first place then?! They just might be US citizens after all this fuckery?! And they're just gonna be like oops, sorry, can't find the parents??!?!?!!?!?!!?!? What in the fucking fuck fuck fuck?! Because they were brown and really, how would you prove you are a US citizen? With no real due process, when do they have a chance to go home and pick up birth certificates or naturalization papers (also are those even a thing?). Legit it isn't easy to prove you are an American, so if the ICE/CBP agents just didn't believe them- no way they could prove it. This is why this kind of thing should scare the shit out of everyone. They are acting with impunity.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 11, 2018 7:24:10 GMT -6
Why the fuck did they take the child away from the parent in the first place then?! They just might be US citizens after all this fuckery?! And they're just gonna be like oops, sorry, can't find the parents??!?!?!!?!?!!?!? What in the fucking fuck fuck fuck?! Because they were brown and really, how would you prove you are a US citizen? With no real due process, when do they have a chance to go home and pick up birth certificates or naturalization papers (also are those even a thing?). Legit it isn't easy to prove you are an American, so if the ICE/CBP agents just didn't believe them- no way they could prove it. This is why this kind of thing should scare the shit out of everyone. They are acting with impunity. I can't believe how ineffective this system is in even identifying US citizens or legal residents, yet they just KOKO because who the fuck cares if a non-white family is torn apart indefinitely. There is a naturalization certificate - I have one. I am not required to carry it with me, just like no other US citizens are required to carry proof of citizenship. In fact, I was specifically told to keep it someplace safe because it is a long, complicated, and expensive process to get it replaced if lost. The whole CBP checkpoints and such makes no sense to me at all because the process relies solely and entirely on racial profiling, right? I just don't get it.
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 11, 2018 7:29:20 GMT -6
Because they were brown and really, how would you prove you are a US citizen? With no real due process, when do they have a chance to go home and pick up birth certificates or naturalization papers (also are those even a thing?). Legit it isn't easy to prove you are an American, so if the ICE/CBP agents just didn't believe them- no way they could prove it. This is why this kind of thing should scare the shit out of everyone. They are acting with impunity. I can't believe how ineffective this system is in even identifying US citizens or legal residents, yet they just KOKO because who the fuck cares if a non-white family is torn apart indefinitely. There is a naturalization certificate - I have one. I am not required to carry it with me, just like no other US citizens are required to carry proof of citizenship. In fact, I was specifically told to keep it someplace safe because it is a long, complicated, and expensive process to get it replaced if lost. The whole CBP checkpoints and such makes no sense to me at all because the process relies solely and entirely on racial profiling, right? I just don't get it. Do you also have a state issued ID/US passport? I know there are people who are unable to get an ID either because of cost or accessibility but I'm curious if you were to carry one of those and they would still deny your citizenship. I worked with a guy who was a permanent legal resident alien and he carried both his ID and his alien card.
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Jul 11, 2018 7:37:16 GMT -6
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Post by blurnette989 on Jul 11, 2018 7:37:16 GMT -6
piratecat thanks, I couldn't remember about the naturalization documents. My mom is naturalized and I've never seen the docs, so I assume they are in my parents fireproof safe. Which makes perfect sense.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 11, 2018 7:38:08 GMT -6
I can't believe how ineffective this system is in even identifying US citizens or legal residents, yet they just KOKO because who the fuck cares if a non-white family is torn apart indefinitely. There is a naturalization certificate - I have one. I am not required to carry it with me, just like no other US citizens are required to carry proof of citizenship. In fact, I was specifically told to keep it someplace safe because it is a long, complicated, and expensive process to get it replaced if lost. The whole CBP checkpoints and such makes no sense to me at all because the process relies solely and entirely on racial profiling, right? I just don't get it. Do you also have a state issued ID/US passport? I know there are people who are unable to get an ID either because of cost or accessibility but I'm curious if you were to carry one of those and they would still deny your citizenship. I worked with a guy who was a permanent legal resident alien and he carried both his ID and his alien card. I have a driver's license and a passport. In my state you do need to provide proof of citizenship or legal residence to obtain a driver's license but I don't think that is the case everywhere. You are legally required to carry your green card (permanent legal resident). I will not carry my passport with me though because 1) I'm forgetful and I don't want to lose it and 2) on principle because I should not have to.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 11, 2018 7:41:43 GMT -6
piratecat thanks, I couldn't remember about the naturalization documents. My mom is naturalized and I've never seen the docs, so I assume they are in my parents fireproof safe. Which makes perfect sense. It's an 8.5x11 and not exactly meant for carrying around. They told me that my signature had to be legible, which it most certainly is not, so the signature on it is not actually my signature, which is kind of weird to me.
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Do you also have a state issued ID/US passport? I know there are people who are unable to get an ID either because of cost or accessibility but I'm curious if you were to carry one of those and they would still deny your citizenship. I worked with a guy who was a permanent legal resident alien and he carried both his ID and his alien card. I have a driver's license and a passport. In my state you do need to provide proof of citizenship or legal residence to obtain a driver's license but I don't think that is the case everywhere. You are legally required to carry your green card (permanent legal resident). I will not carry my passport with me though because 1) I'm forgetful and I don't want to lose it and 2) on principle because I should not have to. I had to show my birth certificate where I currently am, but I didn’t in NH—they just based all the info off my old license. I got my permit and first license in a southern state, which didn’t require it either time. Where I currently am required a birth certificate or passport whether or not you had a license already. I think MA was the same way. there’s a few states I can think of that don’t require a birth certificate or other form of legal papers for a first time license or permit and others that don’t ask for it when transferring licenses
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 11, 2018 8:18:04 GMT -6
I have a driver's license and a passport. In my state you do need to provide proof of citizenship or legal residence to obtain a driver's license but I don't think that is the case everywhere. You are legally required to carry your green card (permanent legal resident). I will not carry my passport with me though because 1) I'm forgetful and I don't want to lose it and 2) on principle because I should not have to. I had to show my birth certificate where I currently am, but I didn’t in NH—they just based all the info off my old license. I got my permit and first license in a southern state, which didn’t require it either time. Where I currently am required a birth certificate or passport whether or not you had a license already. I think MA was the same way. there’s a few states I can think of that don’t require a birth certificate or other form of legal papers for a first time license or permit and others that don’t ask for it when transferring licenses Idaho requires a birth cert or equivalent the first time, also photo proof (I had to bring my yearbook, my kid had to have his student ID). And this should take away from the fact they separated a US citizen from their child because they might have not been a citizen. I was just curious if or how state issued IDs were different from naturalized citizens. Because if piratecat got pulled over and showed them her license/green card, that should be the end of the conversation regarding her citizenship. Just like if I got pulled over I would have no other way to prove I wasnt Canadian* other than my license. This would seem to be the case for MOST people, allowing for the fact that obtaining a state issued ID can be a hurdle for even natural born citizens. * I use Canadian because I am white and they would not assume I was from South/Central America.
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Post by doublestuf on Jul 11, 2018 8:20:19 GMT -6
God I feel for the other leaders of the NATO countries. I cannot imagine the amount of restraint they must employ to not shout in his face that he's a stupid fucking moron that understands nothing of politics or 20th/ 21st century history.
They showed him sitting at the summit this morning and he looked so fucking clueless. Had his lips pursed in a way that made him look ridiculous, staring blankly, and randomly flipping though some papers to look busy. I can only imagine what was going through his head.
I just had one of those moments wash over me again where it's like dear God he is actually our president. It's such an uncomfortable, panicky feeling of utter disbelief.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jul 11, 2018 8:22:52 GMT -6
jkjacq I just checked and it appears that 12 states and DC allow licenses regardless of citizenship. And then I guess if agents know that you can trade a license without further proof of citizenship it is not a guaranteed measure of citizenship. It is interesting. In Portugal I have an actual citizenship card and number. It is separate from my financial number and my social security number and license number. MH has all the same numbers except his card is a resident card.
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Post by cakewench on Jul 11, 2018 8:30:03 GMT -6
I feel like this picture is the NATO meeting in a nutshell:
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Post by piratecat on Jul 11, 2018 9:03:57 GMT -6
I had to show my birth certificate where I currently am, but I didn’t in NH—they just based all the info off my old license. I got my permit and first license in a southern state, which didn’t require it either time. Where I currently am required a birth certificate or passport whether or not you had a license already. I think MA was the same way. there’s a few states I can think of that don’t require a birth certificate or other form of legal papers for a first time license or permit and others that don’t ask for it when transferring licenses Idaho requires a birth cert or equivalent the first time, also photo proof (I had to bring my yearbook, my kid had to have his student ID). And this should take away from the fact they separated a US citizen from their child because they might have not been a citizen. I was just curious if or how state issued IDs were different from naturalized citizens. Because if piratecat got pulled over and showed them her license/green card, that should be the end of the conversation regarding her citizenship. Just like if I got pulled over I would have no other way to prove I wasnt Canadian* other than my license. This would seem to be the case for MOST people, allowing for the fact that obtaining a state issued ID can be a hurdle for even natural born citizens. * I use Canadian because I am white and they would not assume I was from South/Central America. There are states where undocumented immigrants can obtain a driver's license. So if I were in one of those states, presenting my driver's license (and assuming that I am asked for my citizenship status while driving, because there have been many cases of CBP stopping people boarding buses) would not prove anything. I no longer have a green card because they take that away when you become naturalized. If the US wants to set itself up to be the kind of society where it can stop and ask people for their status anywhere it pleases, then it needs to implement that rule for everyone and provide IDs and require that they carry it with them. As it stands, I imagine even if you lived in one of the states where a driver's license does not prove your citizenship or legal residency, CBP would not have any problem taking you at your word and letting you go about your way, whereas someone that doesn't "look the part" of an "American" would not be granted that privilege, and hence the whole system is flawed and racist.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 11, 2018 9:10:24 GMT -6
I saw a shared FB post about a woman who was traveling with her child and they were separated and detained because they did not share the same last name. She was then told multiple times that maybe she should have changed her name. I imagine this would be an even bigger problem for WOC with lighter-skinned children.
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 11, 2018 9:20:50 GMT -6
Idaho requires a birth cert or equivalent the first time, also photo proof (I had to bring my yearbook, my kid had to have his student ID). And this should take away from the fact they separated a US citizen from their child because they might have not been a citizen. I was just curious if or how state issued IDs were different from naturalized citizens. Because if piratecat got pulled over and showed them her license/green card, that should be the end of the conversation regarding her citizenship. Just like if I got pulled over I would have no other way to prove I wasnt Canadian* other than my license. This would seem to be the case for MOST people, allowing for the fact that obtaining a state issued ID can be a hurdle for even natural born citizens. * I use Canadian because I am white and they would not assume I was from South/Central America. There are states where undocumented immigrants can obtain a driver's license. So if I were in one of those states, presenting my driver's license (and assuming that I am asked for my citizenship status while driving, because there have been many cases of CBP stopping people boarding buses) would not prove anything. I no longer have a green card because they take that away when you become naturalized. If the US wants to set itself up to be the kind of society where it can stop and ask people for their status anywhere it pleases, then it needs to implement that rule for everyone and provide IDs and require that they carry it with them. As it stands, I imagine even if you lived in one of the states where a driver's license does not prove your citizenship or legal residency, CBP would not have any problem taking you at your word and letting you go about your way, whereas someone that doesn't "look the part" of an "American" would not be granted that privilege, and hence the whole system is flawed and racist. I think its very much a flawed and racist problem. As a non-poc they wouldnt necessarily question my citizenship. But I think we need to drive that point home to white people. How do you prove you're an american? Thats part of the privilege we talk about. because the answer is well I was born here, and if detained, i'll get a lawyer. Yeah that doesnt happen, if they dont think you are a citizen you have supported policies stating non citizens are not entitled to the same rights as a citizen. You dont get a lawyer. You dont get a phone call. We dont even have to have a warrant. These are conversations I'm having in my head. And I can only imagine and not even begin to understand someone who was naturalized, or who is here undocumented is having even more terrifying ones in theirs.
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Post by cakewench on Jul 11, 2018 9:24:36 GMT -6
Pelosi and Schumer issue joint statement against Trump's NATO comments:
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Post by byjove on Jul 11, 2018 9:30:53 GMT -6
I saw a shared FB post about a woman who was traveling with her child and they were separated and detained because they did not share the same last name. She was then told multiple times that maybe she should have changed her name. I imagine this would be an even bigger problem for WOC with lighter-skinned children. That is so misogynistic. I think I saw the same story, and the girl wasn't even that young- she looked like a teenager? And what if she was traveling with an aunt? RAGE I've been fortunate not to have a problem with this (yet!) but I gave my last name to my DDs as a second middle name so we would have matching names on official documents just in case anyone every wanted to make a deal of it. We also needed passports for them as infants, and I made sure to get the little passport cards too to carry in my wallet for travel as proof of identity. Speaking of, does anyone know if I carry those while they are expired would do it any good? I think DD1's is about to expire. I guess I need to get that renewed soon.
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I saw a shared FB post about a woman who was traveling with her child and they were separated and detained because they did not share the same last name. She was then told multiple times that maybe she should have changed her name. I imagine this would be an even bigger problem for WOC with lighter-skinned children. That is so misogynistic. I think I saw the same story, and the girl wasn't even that young- she looked like a teenager? And what if she was traveling with an aunt? RAGE I've been fortunate not to have a problem with this (yet!) but I gave my last name to my DDs as a second middle name so we would have matching names on official documents just in case anyone every wanted to make a deal of it. We also needed passports for them as infants, and I made sure to get the little passport cards too to carry in my wallet for travel as proof of identity. Speaking of, does anyone know if I carry those while they are expired would do it any good? I think DD1's is about to expire. I guess I need to get that renewed soon. You can use it for two years here, but it varies by state, I think.
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Post by enchanted on Jul 11, 2018 9:41:35 GMT -6
Pelosi and Schumer issue joint statement against Trump's NATO comments: Daaaaaaaaaammmmmmnnnnnnn. I'm glad to see someone saying it.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 11, 2018 9:53:49 GMT -6
I saw a shared FB post about a woman who was traveling with her child and they were separated and detained because they did not share the same last name. She was then told multiple times that maybe she should have changed her name. I imagine this would be an even bigger problem for WOC with lighter-skinned children. That is so misogynistic. I think I saw the same story, and the girl wasn't even that young- she looked like a teenager? And what if she was traveling with an aunt? RAGE I've been fortunate not to have a problem with this (yet!) but I gave my last name to my DDs as a second middle name so we would have matching names on official documents just in case anyone every wanted to make a deal of it. We also needed passports for them as infants, and I made sure to get the little passport cards too to carry in my wallet for travel as proof of identity. Speaking of, does anyone know if I carry those while they are expired would do it any good? I think DD1's is about to expire. I guess I need to get that renewed soon. I don't share a last name with my son either. And he is half white, and while he looks more like me right now (but with lighter skin), I know that that could change as he gets older. Do the passport/passport cards name the parents? I might travel with a copy of his birth certificate as a precaution, but again, I don't want to have to do that on a daily basis and I live in a state entirely covered by the 100-mile border zone and subject to being stopped by CBP.
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Post by byjove on Jul 11, 2018 9:56:13 GMT -6
That is so misogynistic. I think I saw the same story, and the girl wasn't even that young- she looked like a teenager? And what if she was traveling with an aunt? RAGE I've been fortunate not to have a problem with this (yet!) but I gave my last name to my DDs as a second middle name so we would have matching names on official documents just in case anyone every wanted to make a deal of it. We also needed passports for them as infants, and I made sure to get the little passport cards too to carry in my wallet for travel as proof of identity. Speaking of, does anyone know if I carry those while they are expired would do it any good? I think DD1's is about to expire. I guess I need to get that renewed soon. I don't share a last name with my son either. And he is half white, and while he looks more like me right now (but with lighter skin), I know that that could change as he gets older. Do the passport/passport cards name the parents? I might travel with a copy of his birth certificate as a precaution, but again, I don't want to have to do that on a daily basis and I live in a state entirely covered by the 100-mile border zone and subject to being stopped by CBP. I don't think they include parents names (I don't think passports do either-someone correct me if I am wrong), but I can double check tonight for you. ETA I just did a google image search and they do not.
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Post by cougarette on Jul 11, 2018 10:22:24 GMT -6
I feel like this picture is the NATO meeting in a nutshell: Is this real or did they photoshop the picture where he's staring at the eclipsing sun? Or does he always make that stupid face?
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