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Post by cakewench on Jun 20, 2018 7:38:18 GMT -6
It just gets worse - several companies that are housing migrant children have employed workers accused of sexual misconduct and abuse:
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Post by greykitty on Jun 20, 2018 7:42:16 GMT -6
I was reading about the Arizona Catholic bishop who suggested implementing canonical penalty for those playing a role in the border separation mess, which seems like a really interesting idea. The Pope is also not pleased. And, to be fair, it does seem a number of evangelicals are speaking out. To be clear, obviously we have a separation of Church and State and I can imagine people maintaining that faith-based opinions are not welcome on whatever given topic, but...this could be a speaking point to some legislators. I honestly believe a better strategy is to work to find common elements and work from there (I guess old fashioned politics?). UO - I was concerned about that group disrupting the DHS Secretary's dinner in a restaurant on several levels. Most practically - I don't think it'll will accomplish anything than possibly hardening positions.
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 20, 2018 7:47:24 GMT -6
greykitty, I felt bad for the other diners. I have zero sympathy for KN and I think she should be boo'd and hissed at whenever shes walking down the street. Is that an adult thing? No but petty me would gleefully hiss at her As far as church leaders speaking out. Yes there is separation of church/state but a lot of these leaders pay a lot of lip service to their 'faith' and if it takes those leaders speaking out to shame them, and their constituents are listening and they join in in the calls, protests, etc. I'm ok with it.
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Post by cakewench on Jun 20, 2018 7:47:33 GMT -6
Corey's non-apology:
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Post by blurnette989 on Jun 20, 2018 7:53:27 GMT -6
I think we've become too complacent in our holding our leaders accountable. Disrupting her dinner may seem childish but that asshat is so tone def she was eating at a Mexican restaurant. She is that arrogant and bold. She needs to be reminded that she serves the people even if the president selected her. I have no qualms about doing this kind of thing non stop. They are jailing people seeking asylum and tearing apart families.i have zero fucks to give if she is uncomfortable. And if making her dinner unpleasant is enough to make people think that jailing kids and taking them from their families is ok, I doubt they were going to be convinced otherwise.
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Post by greykitty on Jun 20, 2018 8:01:37 GMT -6
greykitty , I felt bad for the other diners. I have zero sympathy for KN and I think she should be boo'd and hissed at whenever shes walking down the street. Is that an adult thing? No but petty me would gleefully hiss at her As far as church leaders speaking out. Yes there is separation of church/state but a lot of these leaders pay a lot of lip service to their 'faith' and if it takes those leaders speaking out to shame them, and their constituents are listening and they join in in the calls, protests, etc. I'm ok with it. Oh, believe me, I get the glee in 'hissing at people' and one of my fondest day dreams is having Donald Trump appear before a huge audience and they all greet him in stony silence before turning away and just walking out. I just really think that some actions, while emotionally satisfying, don't have the strategic impact on the wider audience that may be wanted in the end. I mean, I know if someone just flat out tells me I'm wrong and harasses me, I may get even more stubborn than I was to start out with. I just had a fear in my stomach looking at that video that somehow that disruption might develop into some violence and that would simply harden positions even more than they are now. I also felt bad for the diners and restaurant staff. Now, if a restaurant somehow managed to be full every time administration people wanted reservations....
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Post by summerbabe on Jun 20, 2018 8:04:10 GMT -6
I think we've become too complacent in our holding our leaders accountable. Disrupting her dinner may seem childish but that asshat is so tone def she was eating at a Mexican restaurant. She is that arrogant and bold. She needs to be reminded that she serves the people even if the president selected her. I have no qualms about doing this kind of thing non stop. They are jailing people seeking asylum and tearing apart families.i have zero fucks to give if she is uncomfortable. And if making her dinner unpleasant is enough to make people think that jailing kids and taking them from their families is ok, I doubt they were going to be convinced otherwise. I co-sign this 100%. I think that if you want to align yourself with this hateful administration, there are going to be consequences. If you will support tearing children away from their parents, and locking them in jails (w/sketchy AF adults), well then that is the choice you've made. I can't reach common ground with someone who could support such a thing.
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Post by piratecat on Jun 20, 2018 8:15:01 GMT -6
I was reading about the Arizona Catholic bishop who suggested implementing canonical penalty for those playing a role in the border separation mess, which seems like a really interesting idea. The Pope is also not pleased. And, to be fair, it does seem a number of evangelicals are speaking out. To be clear, obviously we have a separation of Church and State and I can imagine people maintaining that faith-based opinions are not welcome on whatever given topic, but...this could be a speaking point to some legislators. I honestly believe a better strategy is to work to find common elements and work from there (I guess old fashioned politics?). UO - I was concerned about that group disrupting the DHS Secretary's dinner in a restaurant on several levels. Most practically - I don't think it'll will accomplish anything than possibly hardening positions. But there is just so much hypocrisy and I'm sick of it. So many of these same people support legislating against a woman's right to choose based on their own religious beliefs yet they have no problem ignoring their religious leaders when it's convenient for their racist agenda. I also have little sympathy for her being run out of a MEXICAN restaurant because again the hypocrisy is infuriating. She doesn't get to have her taco and eat it too.
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Post by misskilljoy on Jun 20, 2018 8:16:15 GMT -6
Sadly, Eames, I think lawmakers know that since it never WILL apply to Canada (because of the STCA) it doesn't matter to most people. People don't see Canada as a country from which refugees need to flee - just as they don't see America that way. Americans can (and probably should) appeal to their elected officials to rescind the Safe Third Country Act just as many in Canada are trying to do. It's a stupid policy on a good day, but right now it's downright harmful.
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Post by emilyinparis on Jun 20, 2018 8:36:20 GMT -6
For those of you looking for rally events near you on the 30th, the complete list is here. I'm irritated because very few of the events are being advertised on facebook. I have no idea who is running them, but this feels very sloppy. Thank you for this. I didn't know there was one near me. I will be attending.
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Post by misskilljoy on Jun 20, 2018 8:38:01 GMT -6
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156582369088945&id=510623944"All of us are being judged, right now. In the years to come, people will be judged for what they did do, and what they didn’t do. All of us. What have I done, to express my conscience – to give effect to the law and to justice? Well, not much; not nearly enough. I have written a book, one that directly addresses this new dark age, and it describes what I increasingly believe is the only way out. Lisa and I and some of our kids are going the States in a few weeks, to again be unpaid volunteers for Democrats in mid-term election races. And, this Summer, we plan to hold a rally against racism and hate that is growing right here where we live. Is any of that enough? Probably not. But it’s something. What isn’t enough is a tweet, or a hashtag, or a Facebook link. You have to do more than that. As I said at the Merv Leitch Memorial Lecture in Alberta this year: "In the Internet era, where trolls sit in their in their Mom’s basement and spew hate at women and Jews and Muslims and anyone who isn’t like them, you need to do one thing above all: show up. A tweet isn’t enough. A Facebook link isn’t enough. In Canada, with those who are pushing the Trump and Brexit plan, that means peacefully confronting them on the stump or at their offices, and doing all that you can to put their election or re-election in peril. That’s what keeps them up at night. Show up, and make them worry. As Tip O’Neill said: all politics is local. So give the other side a problem that is local and that isn’t going away." Laws don’t give us a civil society. Our conscience, and our sense of justice, does that. Act on your conscience, now. You – all of us – are being measured by history."
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Post by notblanche on Jun 20, 2018 8:48:35 GMT -6
greykitty , I felt bad for the other diners. I have zero sympathy for KN and I think she should be boo'd and hissed at whenever shes walking down the street. Is that an adult thing? No but petty me would gleefully hiss at her As far as church leaders speaking out. Yes there is separation of church/state but a lot of these leaders pay a lot of lip service to their 'faith' and if it takes those leaders speaking out to shame them, and their constituents are listening and they join in in the calls, protests, etc. I'm ok with it. Oh, believe me, I get the glee in 'hissing at people' and one of my fondest day dreams is having Donald Trump appear before a huge audience and they all greet him in stony silence before turning away and just walking out. I just really think that some actions, while emotionally satisfying, don't have the strategic impact on the wider audience that may be wanted in the end. I mean, I know if someone just flat out tells me I'm wrong and harasses me, I may get even more stubborn than I was to start out with. I just had a fear in my stomach looking at that video that somehow that disruption might develop into some violence and that would simply harden positions even more than they are now. I also felt bad for the diners and restaurant staff.
Now, if a restaurant somehow managed to be full every time administration people wanted reservations.... Do you know who I feel bad for? The families being torn apart. Protest isn't often a 1:1 kind of thing. I don't think a single individual who walked into MXDC last night thought, "If we do this she'll change her mind." Protest is about raising awareness and making people uncomfortable.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jun 20, 2018 8:52:37 GMT -6
Oh, believe me, I get the glee in 'hissing at people' and one of my fondest day dreams is having Donald Trump appear before a huge audience and they all greet him in stony silence before turning away and just walking out. I just really think that some actions, while emotionally satisfying, don't have the strategic impact on the wider audience that may be wanted in the end. I mean, I know if someone just flat out tells me I'm wrong and harasses me, I may get even more stubborn than I was to start out with. I just had a fear in my stomach looking at that video that somehow that disruption might develop into some violence and that would simply harden positions even more than they are now. I also felt bad for the diners and restaurant staff.
Now, if a restaurant somehow managed to be full every time administration people wanted reservations.... Do you know who I feel bad for? The families being torn apart. Protest isn't often a 1:1 kind of thing. I don't think a single individual who walked into MXDC last night thought, "If we do this she'll change her mind." Protest is about raising awareness and making people uncomfortable. Disruption gets noticed.
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Post by piratecat on Jun 20, 2018 8:58:57 GMT -6
Oh, believe me, I get the glee in 'hissing at people' and one of my fondest day dreams is having Donald Trump appear before a huge audience and they all greet him in stony silence before turning away and just walking out. I just really think that some actions, while emotionally satisfying, don't have the strategic impact on the wider audience that may be wanted in the end. I mean, I know if someone just flat out tells me I'm wrong and harasses me, I may get even more stubborn than I was to start out with. I just had a fear in my stomach looking at that video that somehow that disruption might develop into some violence and that would simply harden positions even more than they are now. I also felt bad for the diners and restaurant staff.
Now, if a restaurant somehow managed to be full every time administration people wanted reservations.... Do you know who I feel bad for? The families being torn apart. Protest isn't often a 1:1 kind of thing. I don't think a single individual who walked into MXDC last night thought, "If we do this she'll change her mind." Protest is about raising awareness and making people uncomfortable. If the fellow diners are more concerned about their momentary discomfort at the situation rather than the horrific conditions that these kids are kept in then fuck them too. And if I were working in that restaurant I would have been relieved not to have to serve or cook for her.
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Post by notblanche on Jun 20, 2018 9:04:30 GMT -6
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Post by Eames on Jun 20, 2018 9:06:50 GMT -6
I keep seeing people claim "oh no you care about children being ripped away, WHAT ABOUT THE ABORTED CHILDREN?!" And I am trying to remain rational and present the facts but fuck, come on. I saw this last night too. That our "hypocrisy knows no bounds."
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Post by notblanche on Jun 20, 2018 9:20:07 GMT -6
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Post by misskilljoy on Jun 20, 2018 9:35:18 GMT -6
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Post by seabreeze on Jun 20, 2018 9:35:46 GMT -6
Have any other Canadians in a conservative riding heard from your MP? Very curious to hear how they’re responding. The reply from my MP is causing a small stir on Twitter.
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Post by misskilljoy on Jun 20, 2018 9:38:36 GMT -6
Have any other Canadians in a conservative riding heard from your MP? Very curious to hear how they’re responding. The reply from my MP is causing a small stir on Twitter. I'm going to write to my conservative MPP since she has been an outspoken advocate for families. Curious to see what the party who chose Doug Ford as their leader has to say about all of this.
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Post by notblanche on Jun 20, 2018 9:58:59 GMT -6
To address concerns over diner disruption:
@peg_mclaugh: People were happy. They were cheering with us, chanting with us, high-fiving us as we left
We made sure to tell them to tip their (mostly) Latino staff well, too 😊
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Post by piratecat on Jun 20, 2018 10:10:27 GMT -6
To address concerns over diner disruption: @peg_mclaugh: People were happy. They were cheering with us, chanting with us, high-fiving us as we left We made sure to tell them to tip their (mostly) Latino staff well, too 😊 Tearing families apart and traumatizing small children is totally cool but causing a few minutes of mild disruption is rude? OKAY. I'm glad to hear the other diners were supportive.
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Post by ladybrienne on Jun 20, 2018 10:13:27 GMT -6
POTUS announced he will be signing something to end parent/child separation soon.
Hopefully this fucking nightmare will end.
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Post by cakewench on Jun 20, 2018 10:15:47 GMT -6
POTUS announced he will be signing something to end parent/child separation soon. Hopefully this fucking nightmare will end. He's going to sign it, painting himself as the hero for putting an end to this horrible thing the Democrats have done, even though IT'S HIS FUCKING FAULT. I hate this.
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Post by ladybrienne on Jun 20, 2018 10:17:38 GMT -6
POTUS announced he will be signing something to end parent/child separation soon. Hopefully this fucking nightmare will end. He's going to sign it, painting himself as the hero for putting an end to this horrible thing the Democrats have done, even though IT'S HIS FUCKING FAULT. I hate this. I know. But I am grateful more children may not be subjected to this shit.
I am just frightened for what is going to happen to those who have already been detained and separated.
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Post by cakewench on Jun 20, 2018 10:22:16 GMT -6
He's going to sign it, painting himself as the hero for putting an end to this horrible thing the Democrats have done, even though IT'S HIS FUCKING FAULT. I hate this. I know. But I am grateful more children may not be subjected to this shit.
I am just frightened for what is going to happen to those who have already been detained and separated.
Oh totally - this needs to end and I'm glad it's going to. I just hate that you know exactly what Trump's rhetoric on this is going to be when he does sign it. I hope these kids can be reunited quickly. I can't imagine this is going to be an easy process, especially for those who have been moved to different states. And don't even get me started on the long road to recovery these kids will have. I know kids are resilient but this is traumatic. Good thing our health care system... oh wait.
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Post by misskilljoy on Jun 20, 2018 10:25:33 GMT -6
OMFG seabreeze do you know what I just realized? David Anderson is the god damn human rights critic for the shadow cabinet. IN WHAT WORLD.
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Post by seabreeze on Jun 20, 2018 10:32:15 GMT -6
OMFG seabreeze do you know what I just realized? David Anderson is the god damn human rights critic for the shadow cabinet. IN WHAT WORLD. I KNOW. He was very vocal about the crisis in Rohingya, even before it was major news. He strongly encouraged the Cdn government to offer them refuge. I’m guessing it had everything to do with connections he made while doing missionary work. The man is all about religious freedom when it suits his narrative.
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Post by cakewench on Jun 20, 2018 10:45:48 GMT -6
Gavin McInnes says cages look like a fun place to hang, and wonders if we are giving the kids too much food:
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Post by enchanted on Jun 20, 2018 10:46:52 GMT -6
I hope he really does reverse course on this policy, but fuck him and Sessions and everyone else involved in making it policy in the first place.
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