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Post by 100poppies on Jun 24, 2018 17:24:14 GMT -6
Do we know the restaurant owner asked them to leave because of her being a republican? Or because of who she worked for. They’re different for me. The town is somewhat liberal, but it’s got two nationally ranked colleges, one a military school and the other almost Ivy League, and the county around is very conservative. There are probably republicans there all the time. There were probably republicans there that night. I know she’s a prominent republican right now, but this feels more personal, not just her political affiliation.
I don’t know how I feel about it. I just don’t think it was a broad based GOP thing.
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 24, 2018 17:37:53 GMT -6
Do we know the restaurant owner asked them to leave because of her being a republican? Or because of who she worked for. They’re different for me. The town is somewhat liberal, but it’s got two nationally ranked colleges, one a military school and the other almost Ivy League, and the county around is very conservative. There are probably republicans there all the time. There were probably republicans there that night. I know she’s a prominent republican right now, but this feels more personal, not just her political affiliation. I don’t know how I feel about it. I just don’t think it was a broad based GOP thing. Wapo has the owners story. The staff seated her and her party and brought their apps. In the meantime they called the owner at home. The owner came down and asked the employees several of who are lbgt. Sarah was asked to leave, offered to pay and owner comped what they had.
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Post by 100poppies on Jun 24, 2018 17:42:54 GMT -6
Do we know the restaurant owner asked them to leave because of her being a republican? Or because of who she worked for. They’re different for me. The town is somewhat liberal, but it’s got two nationally ranked colleges, one a military school and the other almost Ivy League, and the county around is very conservative. There are probably republicans there all the time. There were probably republicans there that night. I know she’s a prominent republican right now, but this feels more personal, not just her political affiliation. I don’t know how I feel about it. I just don’t think it was a broad based GOP thing. Wapo has the owners story. The staff seated her and her party and brought their apps. In the meantime they called the owner at home. The owner came down and asked the employees several of who are lbgt. Sarah was asked to leave, offered to pay and owner comped what they had. Right, but they don’t do this with any republican.
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 24, 2018 17:50:23 GMT -6
Wapo has the owners story. The staff seated her and her party and brought their apps. In the meantime they called the owner at home. The owner came down and asked the employees several of who are lbgt. Sarah was asked to leave, offered to pay and owner comped what they had. Right, but they don’t do this with any republican. Oh it’s 1000% because of who she is and what she does. I mean I ted cruz or John McCain could show up and be fine.
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Post by 100poppies on Jun 24, 2018 17:57:08 GMT -6
I guess I’m struggling because the comparison I keep seeing is to the baker who wouldn’t make cakes for gays. And that’s a whole class he won’t serve. This is an individual (or maybe, let’s say, 15 people prominent in the administration). It’s not actually comparable, right?
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 24, 2018 18:35:15 GMT -6
I guess I’m struggling because the comparison I keep seeing is to the baker who wouldn’t make cakes for gays. And that’s a whole class he won’t serve. This is an individual (or maybe, let’s say, 15 people prominent in the administration). It’s not actually comparable, right? It’s not a straight line for sure. The gay couple did not choose to be gay. She chooses to be a mouthpiece for a petulant child However if you are she. You probably wrongly believe being gay is a choice. So in that it’s comparable If Mussolini walked into your business would you serve him? If the westboro Baptist Church wanted to hold a service in a hall you owned would you rent to them? There was no scene she was politely asked to leave there were no chants of shame. And she obviously didn’t get the message that what she does and stands for or represents is abhorrent to a large group of people. I mean they could have just spit in her food but it was in my opinion handled discreetly and mature until she used her position to play the victim
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 24, 2018 19:08:35 GMT -6
I also want to point out that while the majority of the nation is focused on shs and Mel’s jacket the following is happening Flint still doesn’t have clean water Puerto Rico mostly doesn’t have power We still don’t have a reunification plan They want to do away with due process for the refugees and just ship them back to their country of origin The house has gutted and all but reversed the ACA The administration is covering up reports about water quality on military bases And they are continually denying science based facts with regard to the environment
And that’s only scratching the surface
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Post by mb3 on Jun 24, 2018 19:14:26 GMT -6
Wapo has the owners story. The staff seated her and her party and brought their apps. In the meantime they called the owner at home. The owner came down and asked the employees several of who are lbgt. Sarah was asked to leave, offered to pay and owner comped what they had. Right, but they don’t do this with any republican. I thought it was always about who she works for, vs her political party. Even in her post she stated it was because she works at the WH.
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Post by mb3 on Jun 24, 2018 19:15:52 GMT -6
I also want to point out that while the majority of the nation is focused on shs and Mel’s jacket the following is happening Flint still doesn’t have clean water Puerto Rico mostly doesn’t have power We still don’t have a reunification plan They want to do away with due process for the refugees and just ship them back to their country of origin The house has gutted and all but reversed the ACA The administration is covering up reports about water quality on military bases And they are continually denying science based facts with regard to the environment And that’s only scratching the surface And Trump is tweeting that we should deport people without trials.
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Post by doublestuf on Jun 24, 2018 19:54:01 GMT -6
I don't have hard facts or anything, but how often have we heard about people working for a president or a member of Congress and being asked to leave a restaurant or some other private business? Not many, that's for sure.
But this isn't your typical president that someone has different opinions about in regards to policy (and thus is being refused service). This is a dangerous, evil, hateful excuse for a human being that is reeking havoc on people's lives and our democracy. When you choose to be the mouthpiece for that son of a bitch, you clearly have the same hateful "values" as he does. They literally have ZERO consequences for their actions. And now SHS has to deal with a small inconvenience and people (not saying anyone here) feel bad for her? No. I can't and won't buy it. I mean what happens to the bully on the playground? They have no friends. To me, this is no different. She's laying with the dog and she can wake up with the damn infestation of fleas.
I feel like the fucking Right gets to be as loud and hateful as they want to be. The rise in hate crimes has been astronomical. But nothing happens. And then someone from the left quietly and politely protests and Trump supporters can't handle it?! AYFKM??
I had never watched a press briefing before this presidency. @kokopelli, have you seen SHS in action? I'm sure there's plenty on YouTube. Maybe even search for her interactions with April Ryan. Like others have said, she can be so impossibly condescending while lying through her teeth about a number of things that are literally tearing people's lives apart. It may shed a little more light on why she's dealing with this.
Clearly I have feelings about this.
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Post by mb3 on Jun 24, 2018 20:26:32 GMT -6
I don't have hard facts or anything, but how often have we heard about people working for a president or a member of Congress and being asked to leave a restaurant or some other private business? Not many, that's for sure. But this isn't your typical president that someone has different opinions about in regards to policy (and thus is being refused service). This is a dangerous, evil, hateful excuse for a human being that is reeking havoc on people's lives and our democracy. When you choose to be the mouthpiece for that son of a bitch, you clearly have the same hateful "values" as he does. They literally have ZERO consequences for their actions. And now SHS has to deal with a small inconvenience and people (not saying anyone here) feel bad for her? No. I can't and won't buy it. I mean what happens to the bully on the playground? They have no friends. To me, this is no different. She's laying with the dog and she can wake up with the damn infestation of fleas. I feel like the fucking Right gets to be as loud and hateful as they want to be. The rise in hate crimes has been astronomical. But nothing happens. And then someone from the left quietly and politely protests and Trump supporters can't handle it?! AYFKM?? I had never watched a press briefing before this presidency. @kokopelli, have you seen SHS in action? I'm sure there's plenty on YouTube. Maybe even search for her interactions with April Ryan. Like others have said, she can be so impossibly condescending while lying through her teeth about a number of things that are literally tearing people's lives apart. It may shed a little more light on why she's dealing with this. Clearly I have feelings about this. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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Post by dc2london on Jun 24, 2018 20:37:32 GMT -6
I am curious about the Sarah Sanders thing. 1. I thought DC was a town that was above party. Since power changes so often? It is unusual for a restaurant to do that right? 2. the press secretary is the mouth piece of the administration. Their job is to spin things into the positive. I get that we all despise this administration but what is the exact issue with SHS? Where is the line of she is doing her job and she is actually a bad person? I live in the DC suburbs and I'll admit I don't have a clue where this restaurant is. But no, DC is not above party. We roll with the shift as administrations change but DC itself is verrrrrrrry blue and some of its immediate suburbs (though not all) are also very blue. The DC area is a hodgepodge in that you have a ton of urban/suburban liberals and career civil servants but then a bunch of military bases and stations (ie the Petagon and Joint Base Andrews). I would definitely not ever characterize DC as "above party." As far as Sarah herself, well, that's up to each individual person to decide. She is the most pubic facing member of the Trump administration. So you could judge her according to that. You could ascertain that she is just a woman who is doing her job as part of a larger political machine. There are a number of ways you could interpret what Sarah does every day and, for those of us who follow her closely, she's tried to exert every possible interpretation of her role. But at the end of the day, she's a mouthpiece for the Trump administration. So, whatever you think of Trump, you likely think of Sarah.
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Post by dc2london on Jun 24, 2018 20:49:43 GMT -6
I'm not going to dive into the broader issues here tonight because it's late and I should have been asleep two hours ago but just throwing my two cents into this conversation, as someone who *has* watched press briefings prior to the Trump administration on the regular I can tell you that the way Sarah talks to reporters is not at all IN THE REALM of normal.
That's not to say that no press sec has ever been condescending when answering a reporter's question. Lord knows there's been snippiness on both ends of that podium.
But the general vitriol and the hateful, venemous tone toward reporters from the Press Secretary of the President of the United States? That's new. That's unique to this shitmonster presidency.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 21:03:55 GMT -6
doublestuf no I haven't watched much. I mainly switched to only reading after the election because that's all I can stand.
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Post by dc2london on Jun 24, 2018 21:10:23 GMT -6
This is a great example of Press Secs being utterly boring. This is literally the day after the 9/11 attacks. And Ari Fleischer has since proven himself to be a total right wing whacko. But in his capacity as Press Secretary he maintained a calm and competent demeanor. He answered questions with coherent combinations of actual words.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 23:12:02 GMT -6
I sincerely hope that the passage of time will not be kind to these folks that worked for this administration (not civil servants or career government employees, of course). Like these are going to be the villains in the history books. So if someone wants to start now by refusing to serve or otherwise accommodate any of them, I’m fine with that. They can say I told you so when most of these people are behind bars or otherwise professionally unemployed due to their part in this shitocracy.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jun 25, 2018 4:59:20 GMT -6
Small acts of resistance add up. They are important. Standing by silently allows it to continue and get worse.
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Post by 100poppies on Jun 25, 2018 6:01:21 GMT -6
dc2london, there is a Red Hen restaurant in DC, but this restaurant is located in Lexington Va, a town of 7,000 in the middle of the Shenandoah valley, 3 hours from DC.
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Post by cakewench on Jun 25, 2018 6:31:07 GMT -6
dc2london , there is a Red Hen restaurant in DC, but this restaurant is located in Lexington Va, a town of 7,000 in the middle of the Shenandoah valley, 3 hours from DC. Apparently Trump supporters have been attacking them anyway. They had to make a post saying "Yeah, that wasn't us."
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Post by doublestuf on Jun 25, 2018 9:22:29 GMT -6
dc2london , there is a Red Hen restaurant in DC, but this restaurant is located in Lexington Va, a town of 7,000 in the middle of the Shenandoah valley, 3 hours from DC. Apparently Trump supporters have been attacking them anyway. They had to make a post saying "Yeah, that wasn't us." You mean Trump supporters don't have their facts straight and are randomly attacking innocent people? ::SHOCKING:: Also @juliagulia shitocracy is my new term for this administration. That is perfection. 👏
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 25, 2018 10:20:06 GMT -6
For the record I wasn't defending SHS. I've just always viewed the press secretary as a weird role because it's their job to be the public face of an administration despite their personal beliefs. My understanding comes from CJ Craig and one documentary so that's why I asked. 1) For people with integrity, there's quite a gulf between defending your boss' policy despite your personal disagreement with it and defending something that is as morally reprehensible as removing immigrant children from their parents. If she disagreed with it, she could always resign. 2) Then again, I've seen how gleefully she's defended taking children from their parents, and a whole host of other things. She's a zealot. This is what she believes. She is not an unwitting victim or someone just doing her job. I mean....look what her father tweeted this past weekend.
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Post by shadesofgold on Jun 25, 2018 10:27:13 GMT -6
I am curious about the Sarah Sanders thing. 1. I thought DC was a town that was above party. Since power changes so often? It is unusual for a restaurant to do that right? 2. the press secretary is the mouth piece of the administration. Their job is to spin things into the positive. I get that we all despise this administration but what is the exact issue with SHS? Where is the line of she is doing her job and she is actually a bad person? I live in the DC suburbs and I'll admit I don't have a clue where this restaurant is. But no, DC is not above party. We roll with the shift as administrations change but DC itself is verrrrrrrry blue and some of its immediate suburbs (though not all) are also very blue. The DC area is a hodgepodge in that you have a ton of urban/suburban liberals and career civil servants but then a bunch of military bases and stations (ie the Petagon and Joint Base Andrews). I would definitely not ever characterize DC as "above party." As far as Sarah herself, well, that's up to each individual person to decide. She is the most pubic facing member of the Trump administration. So you could judge her according to that. You could ascertain that she is just a woman who is doing her job as part of a larger political machine. There are a number of ways you could interpret what Sarah does every day and, for those of us who follow her closely, she's tried to exert every possible interpretation of her role. But at the end of the day, she's a mouthpiece for the Trump administration. So, whatever you think of Trump, you likely think of Sarah. Yes this exactly. DC is always the first place called for the dem candidate on election night with like .02%of the vote counted. There are 0 republicans on the city council and the GOP rarely fields a mayoral candidate. DC the city is v different than Washington the capital. All the republicans live in the burbs.
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