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Post by dc2london on Jun 23, 2018 9:02:24 GMT -6
to me this is no more a hindrance to reunifying families than taking steps to try to ensure the children are returned to their actual parents. I mean we're not just going to start handing kids to random adults willy nilly. There are necessary, common-sense measures we have to take to safely and efficiently reunite these families.
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Post by dc2london on Jun 23, 2018 9:02:53 GMT -6
and the problem isn't me, the problem is the garbagemonsters who separated the families IN THE FIRST PLACE
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 23, 2018 9:33:02 GMT -6
ok, don't throw things at me but.....I'm unsettled by this. On its face it looks like a way that this company can help, and it's great that they want to help! But remember that 23andMe OWNS, forever and ever amen, any DNA submitted to them for the purpose of testing. So yeah, they're possibly helping reunite these kids with their families but they are also taking the DNA of minors, without the permission of the parents, which will provide a boon for their database and their services going forward. I hate to be cynical but if they were taking my kid's DNA without my knowledge I'd be angry. I won’t throw things because I agree with your concerns. But an infant who can’t say that’s my parent? Or think about how fast kids change in the first two years. I hope they would put in place some method of destruction after reunification. And I would rather a company like 23 have than it put into something like codis
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 23, 2018 9:56:44 GMT -6
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Post by sctiger on Jun 23, 2018 10:10:27 GMT -6
Lots of conservative assholes on their Facebook page are mad about it. Us liberals have sunk really low.
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Post by dc2london on Jun 23, 2018 10:35:40 GMT -6
I feel squicky about it but, it's a private business. She has that choice.
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Post by dc2london on Jun 23, 2018 10:47:58 GMT -6
ok, don't throw things at me but.....I'm unsettled by this. On its face it looks like a way that this company can help, and it's great that they want to help! But remember that 23andMe OWNS, forever and ever amen, any DNA submitted to them for the purpose of testing. So yeah, they're possibly helping reunite these kids with their families but they are also taking the DNA of minors, without the permission of the parents, which will provide a boon for their database and their services going forward. I hate to be cynical but if they were taking my kid's DNA without my knowledge I'd be angry. I won’t throw things because I agree with your concerns. But an infant who can’t say that’s my parent? Or think about how fast kids change in the first two years. I hope they would put in place some method of destruction after reunification. And I would rather a company like 23 have than it put into something like codis All I need is for the company to offer parents an opt-out from having their information saved/used once they're found. That's it.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jun 23, 2018 11:01:59 GMT -6
ok, don't throw things at me but.....I'm unsettled by this. On its face it looks like a way that this company can help, and it's great that they want to help! But remember that 23andMe OWNS, forever and ever amen, any DNA submitted to them for the purpose of testing. So yeah, they're possibly helping reunite these kids with their families but they are also taking the DNA of minors, without the permission of the parents, which will provide a boon for their database and their services going forward. I hate to be cynical but if they were taking my kid's DNA without my knowledge I'd be angry. These DNA companies freak me out in general. I won't do it. I don't really think this is so great for the families. Yes, I'm wearing a tin foil suit.
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Post by dc2london on Jun 23, 2018 11:08:01 GMT -6
ok, don't throw things at me but.....I'm unsettled by this. On its face it looks like a way that this company can help, and it's great that they want to help! But remember that 23andMe OWNS, forever and ever amen, any DNA submitted to them for the purpose of testing. So yeah, they're possibly helping reunite these kids with their families but they are also taking the DNA of minors, without the permission of the parents, which will provide a boon for their database and their services going forward. I hate to be cynical but if they were taking my kid's DNA without my knowledge I'd be angry. These DNA companies freak me out in general. I won't do it. I don't really think this is so great for the families. Yes, I'm wearing a tin foil suit. The Trump era has taught me to always assume that people will behave badly
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Post by dc2london on Jun 23, 2018 11:47:35 GMT -6
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Post by ldubhawksfan on Jun 23, 2018 13:04:07 GMT -6
But as long as it was just immigrants' lives he was ruining it was fine? I find I have very little sympathy. 😒 I have zero sympathy. Although I 'm curious what new stupid excuse they'll give when they vote for him again next time. Maybe they'll suprise me and just admit to being blatant racists. I was wondering what the feel was lately. I saw the DM register article about how iowa farmers could lose $625M from Chinese trade due to these tariffs.
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Post by cakewench on Jun 23, 2018 15:31:41 GMT -6
I’m getting into Facebook fights over SHS, the restaurant, and the cake baker.
This one guy is saying it’s apples and oranges because the baker wasn’t denying service for being gay.
I’m going to explode. Time to walk away.
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 23, 2018 16:47:13 GMT -6
I’m getting into Facebook fights over SHS, the restaurant, and the cake baker. This one guy is saying it’s apples and oranges because the baker wasn’t denying service for being gay. I’m going to explode. Time to walk away. I just read a really good FB post. It’s ok for the right to call people animals, fly their racist flags with pride etc and not suffer the consequences and the left is supposed to just act ‘better’. It’s past time for the left to start calling that out That’s a super duper condensed version
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Post by cakewench on Jun 23, 2018 16:51:43 GMT -6
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Post by hawkeye2015 on Jun 24, 2018 8:04:34 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 10:01:04 GMT -6
I am curious about the Sarah Sanders thing. 1. I thought DC was a town that was above party. Since power changes so often? It is unusual for a restaurant to do that right?
2. the press secretary is the mouth piece of the administration. Their job is to spin things into the positive. I get that we all despise this administration but what is the exact issue with SHS? Where is the line of she is doing her job and she is actually a bad person?
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Post by smilesp on Jun 24, 2018 10:22:10 GMT -6
I am curious about the Sarah Sanders thing. 1. I thought DC was a town that was above party. Since power changes so often? It is unusual for a restaurant to do that right? 2. the press secretary is the mouth piece of the administration. Their job is to spin things into the positive. I get that we all despise this administration but what is the exact issue with SHS? Where is the line of she is doing her job and she is actually a bad person? The restaurant isn’t in DC. It’s in Lexington, VA which is a few hours south...and also near where I live.
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Post by smilesp on Jun 24, 2018 10:23:43 GMT -6
Regardless of how you feel about the SHS incident, as a person who has spent many years in the restaurant industry if they don’t want you there that badly then be glad you were asked to leave and not served food.
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 24, 2018 10:30:12 GMT -6
I am curious about the Sarah Sanders thing. 1. I thought DC was a town that was above party. Since power changes so often? It is unusual for a restaurant to do that right? 2. the press secretary is the mouth piece of the administration. Their job is to spin things into the positive. I get that we all despise this administration but what is the exact issue with SHS? Where is the line of she is doing her job and she is actually a bad person? She used her government sm acct to bash a private business so now we’re inethics violation territory She’s not spinning positive anything she continues to spew vile lies from behind the podium...occasionally because she doesn’t hold pressers when the heat is too high. She’s a shrill harpy who is playing to an audience of one She isn’t being discriminated against.
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 24, 2018 10:32:47 GMT -6
Also because it’s been brought up irl I’m not calling her a shrill harpy because she’s a woman. Spicy was just as vile and shrill
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Post by athn64 on Jun 24, 2018 10:42:18 GMT -6
SHS has insulted the reporters at press conferences for asking her questions. She doesn't have moral ground to stand on.
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Post by oreobitsy on Jun 24, 2018 10:48:59 GMT -6
I think my personal dislike of SHS comes from the way she communicates and speaks to the reporters who attend the briefings. I certainly don't expect the briefings to be all happiness and ass-kissing, but I think all the press secretaries talk down to amand d ridicule the press for doing their job. SHS just seems to do so in a more combative and aggressive way.
I also wouldn't want to eat in a restaurant where I knew the staff didn't like me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 11:40:01 GMT -6
For the record I wasn't defending SHS. I've just always viewed the press secretary as a weird role because it's their job to be the public face of an administration despite their personal beliefs. My understanding comes from CJ Craig and one documentary so that's why I asked.
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Post by sctiger on Jun 24, 2018 13:14:04 GMT -6
Also, it is different because sexual orientation is a protected class but SHS just being an asshole isn't protected? I hate to go down a slippery slope where liberals refuse service to those who disagree with them. I guess I'm really saying that I think SHS is awful but I don't want this to set us all up for bad things later.
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 24, 2018 13:27:01 GMT -6
I feel like we need to be done pandering to it’s ok for them to have their opinions, when those opinions continue hurt and marginalize wide swaths of people. This isn’t a difference of whether or not we should continue corporate tax cuts or food stamps or build up our military.
This is about this administration dehumanizing people and they deserve to be called out every single tome
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Post by sctiger on Jun 24, 2018 14:28:05 GMT -6
I feel like we need to be done pandering to it’s ok for them to have their opinions, when those opinions continue hurt and marginalize wide swaths of people. This isn’t a difference of whether or not we should continue corporate tax cuts or food stamps or build up our military. This is about this administration dehumanizing people and they deserve to be called out every single tome Definitely agree with this. I'm tired of people saying the left is hypocritical because we are speaking out against Trump. Speaking out against hate isn't hate. I personally don't have a problem with what the restaurant did.
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Post by cakewench on Jun 24, 2018 15:20:35 GMT -6
Also, it is different because sexual orientation is a protected class but SHS just being an asshole isn't protected? I hate to go down a slippery slope where liberals refuse service to those who disagree with them. I guess I'm really saying that I think SHS is awful but I don't want this to set us all up for bad things later. Political affiliation is a protected status in a few states, but not Virginia. There was a baker in 2012 in Virginia who refused to serve Biden for a campaign event and specifically said it was because of something Obama had said. He was hailed as a conservative hero and introduced Paul Ryan at a campaign rally. I don’t want to play the “they started it” game but it seemed to be plenty fine back then.
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Post by cakewench on Jun 24, 2018 15:23:14 GMT -6
I feel like we need to be done pandering to it’s ok for them to have their opinions, when those opinions continue hurt and marginalize wide swaths of people. This isn’t a difference of whether or not we should continue corporate tax cuts or food stamps or build up our military. This is about this administration dehumanizing people and they deserve to be called out every single tome Definitely agree with this. I'm tired of people saying the left is hypocritical because we are speaking out against Trump. Speaking out against hate isn't hate. I personally don't have a problem with what the restaurant did. I got facebook screamed at by an old family friend last night for being intolerant, because I have no pity for SHS. Finally I just said I didn’t understand how someone could fling around being intolerant of intolerance as an insult, that I was proud of it. This guy always made me feel super uncomfortable (like continually joking we should run away together and get married because I had the same name as an ex girlfriend... when I was 8, and he’s my dad’s age), so no great loss.
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Post by piratecat on Jun 24, 2018 16:44:26 GMT -6
cakewench that is incredibly inappropriate, I’m sorry and I’m angry for you.
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Post by cakewench on Jun 24, 2018 16:58:29 GMT -6
cakewench that is incredibly inappropriate, I’m sorry and I’m angry for you. The one benefit of this administration is it’s making it very easy to find out who you never want to speak to again
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