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Post by pambee on Jun 14, 2018 8:39:41 GMT -6
Hi...can I go here? I've had a rough half of 2018 and could use the support system you ladies have here. I've been lurking for a few months, afraid to jump in because I was always too hopeful I wouldn't need to. We have a 3yo daughter who is the best kid ever, my husband is a HS teacher and I SAH. TW: We started tfas in Dec and got pregnant right away, but had a m/c at 7.5 weeks end of Jan. I was upset but oddly not as emotional as I thought I would be. We didn't wait a cycle and got pregnant right away again beg of Mar, and found out we were having another m/c at 7.5 weeks again the first of April. Feeling more discouraged this time we waited a cycle (as my ob had recommended from the start) and I got a positive test last week when I was 4 days late (had gotten negatives up to that point). My ob suggested I take progesterone supplements because "they couldn't hurt". I went in for betas 3 times, they were low, barely rose, and then went back down. So yesterday she told me I could stop taking the progesterone, and I'm set to have one more beta draw next Monday and an appt with her to discuss things. I started bleeding this morning and am having a lot of feels about the progesterone just prolonging that, and as I've now read I really should have started taking them BEFORE my positive hpt for them to really help, but didn't understand that. So now I'm here. Unsure of what to do and what I WANT to do but needing some support. Like Yogurt said, in the past few months I feel like everything triggers me, I'm on the verge of tears basically always because the most random things remind me of the child(ren) not growing inside of me. I'm debating taking a few months off, which really would work with ideal "timing" (I never imagined I'd get to this point of the year and even have to consider taking a break from ttc, which was stupid and naive of me) but I also can't say that I want to lose those months of opportunity either. So I guess right now I'm waiting for my appointment next week to hear what she suggests also, and waiting to get past this loss. So if you'll have me, I'd like to set up camp here for a while and at least have some good company through all this. ❤ Also, what does RRCS stand for??
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 14, 2018 10:26:42 GMT -6
Hugs pambee. I'm so sorry for your losses. RRCS is rants, raves, and chart stalks, meaning whats going well, whats going bad and do you want us to look at your chart on Fertility Friend if you track your basal body temperature. I'm sorry it's been a rough year. We are here, and we get it. It's been rough for a lot of us this year. I just had a birthday and I think the year I ended, 36 has basically been the hardest year of my life. Hugs again.
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Post by charliefox on Jun 14, 2018 11:29:45 GMT -6
Welcome and hugs pambee Has you doc mentioned repeat loss testing? Might be something to look into. As yogurt said, most of us -unfortunately- get it. Feel free to lean on us whenever you need.
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Post by pambee on Jun 14, 2018 12:54:50 GMT -6
Yogurt doy. I guessed the r's but couldn't figure out cs. Thank you! charliefox after my first she mentioned they suggest testing after 3, I didn't ask what that entails at the time but I'll be bringing it up at my appointment next week. I'm trying to keep a list of things to ask about because I'm sure I'll be emotional and a little overwhelmed. ❤ thanks ladies. I'm sorry that you're here too. Also rereading my post it comes off as self centered and I apologize for that. I'm here to give support too.
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Post by charliefox on Jun 14, 2018 13:12:08 GMT -6
Had my monitoring ultrasound today. I have 2 follicles, a 24 and 15. The NP wanted me to trigger now for an IUI tomorrow and I just feel it’s too soon. I only started having a small amount of EWCM yesterday and I usually have it for 3-5 days before O. There’s no way to be sure the 24 isn’t a cyst because I didn’t have a baseline u/s but the NP didn’t think it was.
I’m frustrated and feel she’s rushing things because of the weekend so I said I didn’t want to trigger and would do OPKs instead. Once i get a positive I can call for a 24hr IUI but we might skip it altogether. I felt our first 3 IUIs were each off due to timing etc and I just don’t want to deal with it again. Plus, if I even have a day or 2 before O there’s a chance that 15 will be big enough and it will give us 2 chances this cycle.
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Post by sunny75 on Jun 14, 2018 14:19:21 GMT -6
charliefox, I probably would have done what you did, it makes the most sense. The main advantage of an IUI is having perfect timing and I would want to make sure of that. Good luck and I hope your 15 follicle catches up so you have an extra chance!
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Post by sunny75 on Jun 14, 2018 14:23:25 GMT -6
Welcome pambee! I'm so sorry for your losses. I'm glad you decided to join here though because it really is such a great community for support and advice.
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Post by radiantfate on Jun 14, 2018 14:40:20 GMT -6
Welcome pambee (love your avatar!). So sorry for your losses. I think you'll find this group is really supportive and helpful. Best wishes to you, hope to see you around!
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Post by charliefox on Jun 14, 2018 15:27:02 GMT -6
charliefox , I probably would have done what you did, it makes the most sense. The main advantage of an IUI is having perfect timing and I would want to make sure of that. Good luck and I hope your 15 follicle catches up so you have an extra chance! Thanks for this. The NP looked at me like I was nuts when I started asking questions about our options, and made me feel like I was crazy for possibly skipping the IUI. I texted all the info to H but he hasn't responded, I'm 99% sure he'll be okay with my decision this cycle but it's making me nervous that he hasn't said anything. We have a date night tonight at a food festival thing and boy do I need it!
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Post by obscureference on Jun 14, 2018 15:37:51 GMT -6
charliefox Do they not do IUIs on Saturday? Seems like you should have triggered tonight and done an IUI on Saturday. 24 is a big follie so I can see why she would want to trigger.
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Post by obscureference on Jun 14, 2018 15:43:29 GMT -6
Also, a big advantage of an IUI is to avoid the toxic environment of the vagina. I mean great timing, too, but a lot of it is to get the sperm past the vag. So really CM doesn’t matter as much.
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Post by Tlex on Jun 15, 2018 8:27:49 GMT -6
pambee welcome, and I'm so sorry for your losses. I did the same thing re: avoiding posting out of hope I wouldn't be around long enough. Ah well! Glad to have your company but hope it's not for long.
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Post by Tlex on Jun 15, 2018 8:31:36 GMT -6
charliefox how was your date night? I don't know anything about IUI really, but after years of being jerked around I'm firmly in the camp of I know my body and its patterns best. I am the one who stares at my own charts month after month, daily.
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Post by Tlex on Jun 15, 2018 8:34:42 GMT -6
I am failing miserably at trying to hold back hope - I think I ovulated! Of course it was while MH was on a work trip but we still hit -2 and -1 (and 444 other times while WTO omg exhausted from TTC sex). One more day of sustained temp rise needed to confirm but so far the 5 day window of my preO and post O temps match perfectly with my other ovulatory cycles! Whee!
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Post by purple on Jun 15, 2018 8:54:19 GMT -6
Welcome, pambee! I'm so sorry for your losses. I hope you're not here for long. I didn't think you sounded selfish. Sad is not selfish, and many of us here have suffered multiple losses. It's draining, physically and emotionally. charliefox, it's difficult, but I know you haven't been comfortable with the timing of recent cycles, so if this is what feels right, it's the right thing to do. Tlex, fingers crossed! That's good timing, too. I had some premenstrual feeling cramps this morning so I reckon I'm out this month.
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Post by peachinini on Jun 15, 2018 9:13:16 GMT -6
Hi ladies. I'm sorry I was MIA for a few months. I was.. in a funk.. really feeling conflicted about TTC and a lot of stress at work. I was TTA for awhile when I was posting here but FINALLY feel ready to start TTC. I'm officially on the TTC wagon Month/Cycle: 1/1 Timing: n/a CD/DPO: CD 3! Symptoms: Nada. RRCS: Just trying to get back in the habit of temping. I wake up so much throughout the night, it's hard to know if I'll get "4 consecutive hours" of sleep. I don't know what to expect. It's exciting and nerve-wracking all at the same time.
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Post by radiantfate on Jun 15, 2018 10:26:55 GMT -6
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 15, 2018 12:37:15 GMT -6
charliefox, (and anyone with an opinion) is there any point to tracking bbt while we take progesterone supplements? Are we going to be keeping our temp artificially high and it's not actually useful data?
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Post by charliefox on Jun 15, 2018 15:33:26 GMT -6
charliefox Do they not do IUIs on Saturday? Seems like you should have triggered tonight and done an IUI on Saturday. 24 is a big follie so I can see why she would want to trigger. They do IUIs on the weekends but they have less staff and the NP didn't really want to schedule it for the weekend (I don't like her, lol) so she was trying to get in it on Friday which annoyed me. I know 24 is great but there was also no way of knowing that it wasn't a cyst (since I didn't have a baseline u/s) and give it another few days and the 15 might catch up. As for the CM, I realize it doesn't matter for the IUI but what I don't quite understand is why trigger a follicle at 18+ when your body wouldn't actually release it until later. Doesn't that make it a "lesser" egg? I get that for IUI they're trying to get the timing right which means triggering before your body does it on it's own, but still. I dunno, the whole thing made me feel uncomfortable and like she didn't have my best interest in mind. In the end, I felt more comfortable taking control of this cycle even if that only means TI this time.
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Post by charliefox on Jun 15, 2018 15:51:54 GMT -6
charliefox , (and anyone with an opinion) is there any point to tracking bbt while we take progesterone supplements? Are we going to be keeping our temp artificially high and it's not actually useful data? It's my understanding that there isn't a point to tracking BBT while taking progesterone because of what you said, it will be artificially high and will only drop once you stop the progesterone. Would you still be able to see an implantation dip or a triphasic shift? Theoretically, I suppose so, but temping with progesterone might just make you crazy. That being said, I'd probably still temp because I'm already crazy.
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Post by shakinros on Jun 15, 2018 19:37:12 GMT -6
I can’t remember if I checked in this week, so...
Month/Cycle: many/many
Timing: n/a
CD/DPO: CD 10
Symptoms: none
I’ve been keeping a pack of Gonal F in the back of my fridge because there was SO MUCH left of this stupid expensive medicine. I used it this cycle, even though it was over 28 days old. Dr didn’t seem concerned. I can report though that the reason it expires is because it doesn’t really do anything when it gets old. Follicles not growing any faster than they would on their own. Le sigh.
I’m supposed to have yet another monitoring ultrasound on Monday but I think I’ll leave a message to cancel. I’m now out of the expensive expired meds and I’m not going to buy more. We’ll try the old fashioned way this cycle.
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Post by jense927 on Jun 16, 2018 7:52:08 GMT -6
charliefox Do they not do IUIs on Saturday? Seems like you should have triggered tonight and done an IUI on Saturday. 24 is a big follie so I can see why she would want to trigger. They do IUIs on the weekends but they have less staff and the NP didn't really want to schedule it for the weekend (I don't like her, lol) so she was trying to get in it on Friday which annoyed me. I know 24 is great but there was also no way of knowing that it wasn't a cyst (since I didn't have a baseline u/s) and give it another few days and the 15 might catch up. As for the CM, I realize it doesn't matter for the IUI but what I don't quite understand is why trigger a follicle at 18+ when your body wouldn't actually release it until later. Doesn't that make it a "lesser" egg? I get that for IUI they're trying to get the timing right which means triggering before your body does it on it's own, but still. I dunno, the whole thing made me feel uncomfortable and like she didn't have my best interest in mind. In the end, I felt more comfortable taking control of this cycle even if that only means TI this time. Totally lurking this thread but wanted to jump in with my experience. First of all I completely get where you are coming from. My first cycle with the RE was unmedicated but we monitored for timing. I ovulated just after my follicle reaches 26mm. So for a while I was adamant about waiting until my follicles reached a bigger size before trigger for my subsequent IUI and IVF cycles. I didn’t like the systematic approach of 18mm for everyone. If you have more info why not tailor to the patient? When it finally came down to it and after analysis of all my data...the follicles that were bigger when they told me to trigger (22-24) ended up being necrotic during my IVF cycles and didn’t fertilize. I had a follicle as small as 13mm at time of trigger fertilize though. Just wanted to throw that out there. I know it’s largely antitdotal but wanted to offer my experience with follicle size and fertilization. Hope it was helpful and I didn’t butt in!
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Post by Tlex on Jun 16, 2018 11:13:38 GMT -6
I got cross hairs!!! Dotted lines but I'll take it
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Post by sunny75 on Jun 16, 2018 11:44:00 GMT -6
I got cross hairs!!! Dotted lines but I'll take it Yay! And you have great timing this cycle. I'm hopeful for you!
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Post by charliefox on Jun 18, 2018 19:20:18 GMT -6
They do IUIs on the weekends but they have less staff and the NP didn't really want to schedule it for the weekend (I don't like her, lol) so she was trying to get in it on Friday which annoyed me. I know 24 is great but there was also no way of knowing that it wasn't a cyst (since I didn't have a baseline u/s) and give it another few days and the 15 might catch up. As for the CM, I realize it doesn't matter for the IUI but what I don't quite understand is why trigger a follicle at 18+ when your body wouldn't actually release it until later. Doesn't that make it a "lesser" egg? I get that for IUI they're trying to get the timing right which means triggering before your body does it on it's own, but still. I dunno, the whole thing made me feel uncomfortable and like she didn't have my best interest in mind. In the end, I felt more comfortable taking control of this cycle even if that only means TI this time. Totally lurking this thread but wanted to jump in with my experience. First of all I completely get where you are coming from. My first cycle with the RE was unmedicated but we monitored for timing. I ovulated just after my follicle reaches 26mm. So for a while I was adamant about waiting until my follicles reached a bigger size before trigger for my subsequent IUI and IVF cycles. I didn’t like the systematic approach of 18mm for everyone. If you have more info why not tailor to the patient? When it finally came down to it and after analysis of all my data...the follicles that were bigger when they told me to trigger (22-24) ended up being necrotic during my IVF cycles and didn’t fertilize. I had a follicle as small as 13mm at time of trigger fertilize though. Just wanted to throw that out there. I know it’s largely antitdotal but wanted to offer my experience with follicle size and fertilization. Hope it was helpful and I didn’t butt in! Thank you for chiming in! These are the things that no one tells us. Meeting with the RE tomorrow so I'll get her take on it too. Those measurements were from CD12 and it's CD16 (pretty sure I O'd today) so that 24 could have gotten big, and who knows what the 15 did, could have been a dud.
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Post by jense927 on Jun 19, 2018 5:55:00 GMT -6
Totally lurking this thread but wanted to jump in with my experience. First of all I completely get where you are coming from. My first cycle with the RE was unmedicated but we monitored for timing. I ovulated just after my follicle reaches 26mm. So for a while I was adamant about waiting until my follicles reached a bigger size before trigger for my subsequent IUI and IVF cycles. I didn’t like the systematic approach of 18mm for everyone. If you have more info why not tailor to the patient? When it finally came down to it and after analysis of all my data...the follicles that were bigger when they told me to trigger (22-24) ended up being necrotic during my IVF cycles and didn’t fertilize. I had a follicle as small as 13mm at time of trigger fertilize though. Just wanted to throw that out there. I know it’s largely antitdotal but wanted to offer my experience with follicle size and fertilization. Hope it was helpful and I didn’t butt in! Thank you for chiming in! These are the things that no one tells us. Meeting with the RE tomorrow so I'll get her take on it too. Those measurements were from CD12 and it's CD16 (pretty sure I O'd today) so that 24 could have gotten big, and who knows what the 15 did, could have been a dud. No problem. Glad it was helpful. Follicles usually grow about 1mm-2mm per day (typically quicker if medicated cycle). So maybe the 15mm follie grew enough. Fingers crossed and good luck!
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