McBenny
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Post by McBenny on May 22, 2018 12:45:27 GMT -6
She’s who I picked on Vote 411. Also, her opponent wears tiaras and sashes to events.... I would not vote for her just based on this.
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mack
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Post by mack on May 22, 2018 12:47:23 GMT -6
I definitely did before that thread. I have spoken to her since she left regarding that thread at least twice. I think I've shared that before? I don't know. But she and I have had a direct conversation about that thread and its fallout. But what does that have to do with this? I also used to really like ThisBitch and then more information came to light. Things change, people change, and others change their opinions about them. LSJ was WK recently. Like last week? When I tried to shut it down, it was months ago. And I am acknowledging right now that I had no business policing others opinions especially regarding an interaction I was not involved in and didn't have all the information on.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on May 22, 2018 12:51:21 GMT -6
we have also had other racially insensitive things said after thisbitch. Like low key racist and nothing was said.
Now let me be clear - I am not saying there needs to be a dragging or not. What I am saying is this is why I don't believe the ripper thing was based solely in "I am going to go on what WOC say" for SOME people.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 12:53:51 GMT -6
Does longerfinger or whatever the fuck her actual SN is... did she write more than just that one post to herself? Yes she has since followed up with a few posts
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Post by yoginikiki on May 22, 2018 12:54:47 GMT -6
I do feel pressure to read everything now. Even threads that I have no interest in, because I have heard about things in this thread and some of the other similar threads recently that I didn't know before.
Like if you miss one day, or stick to the gardening threads/motivation/blinds only for a few weeks, you could miss some serious shit and look like an asshole if you pop into the drinking thread a little drunk one night and love-tit a covert turned overt racist.
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mack
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Post by mack on May 22, 2018 12:59:18 GMT -6
I’m going to tel you now; your defense of LSJ was wrong. You tone policed a Black women to not paint your friend in a negative light and you’re in her crucifying TB. Treat all problematic posters and IRL people with the same energy ripper and thisbitch got. I understand I had no right to do that. I gave someone I knew the benefit of the doubt given my experience with this person--without reading any of the actual interaction. I told the WOC on this board that it wasn't okay to talk about something that deeply hurt them because MY opinions. That was wrong. You can be pissed at me, flame me, call me a hypocrite. I can take it. I don't expect grace. But I am still going to keep trying to do better.
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brux
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Post by brux on May 22, 2018 13:01:01 GMT -6
I do feel pressure to read everything now. Even threads that I have no interest in, because I have heard about things in this thread and some of the other similar threads recently that I didn't know before. Like if you miss one day, or stick to the gardening threads/motivation/blinds only for a few weeks, you could miss some serious shit and look like an asshole if you pop into the drinking thread a little drunk one night and love-tit a covert turned overt racist. This is a worry of mine too. I skip pages and skim and know I miss drama. I also know that I've seen problematic posts and scrolled on by because I decide I don't have the time or energy to craft a well-worded response and hang around to discuss in the moment. So, I can be lazy and that ends up hurting people I like.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on May 22, 2018 13:02:12 GMT -6
we have also had other racially insensitive things said after thisbitch. Like low key racist and nothing was said. You have alluded to this kind of thing for many pages at this point. Do you have examples? Can you point to any posts? I'm not saying you are lying at all, I'm just trying to figure out how you are pushing this theory that low key racists are here and being totally harbored and it's no big deal. This whole thread is about it being a big deal. I just don't really understand I mean it wasn't a quiet thing. When I say things it turns into it being "a personal attack" in the narrative.
It's not a theory.
I didn't say anyone was harboring anything. People reacted right away, the person didn't respond anymore. Came back the next day and posting like nothing. Again, I am not saying anyone needs to be drug or not. What I am saying is that for me it was on the same level as TB, ripper, etc
So we either pick and choose who and what we defend or we treat all of them swiftly.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on May 22, 2018 13:07:32 GMT -6
I mean it wasn't a quiet thing. When I say things it turns into it being "a personal attack" in the narrative.
It's not a theory.
I didn't say anyone was harboring anything. People reacted right away, the person didn't respond anymore. Came back the next day and posting like nothing. Again, I am not saying anyone needs to be drug or not. What I am saying is that for me it was on the same level as TB, ripper, etc
So we either pick and choose who and what we defend or we treat all of them swiftly.
okay so people reacted right away is very different than "nothing was said".... yes? You are not following. People reacted to the post and poster and asked questions. Person left and came back and never addressed anything that was said at all.
People have also not followed up with it either or asked anything when poster came back.
It's just floating in the universe.
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Post by pixiepink24 on May 22, 2018 13:08:49 GMT -6
I also read a bunch of local moms/teachers discussing superintendent and leaned towards Chapman. Not sure if you guys are in my direct county. I’m DeKalb and moving to Cobb. I'm SE Dekalb. I'm sure the increase in COL will soon have us going OTP but not Cobb.
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brux
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Post by brux on May 22, 2018 13:09:35 GMT -6
okay so people reacted right away is very different than "nothing was said".... yes? You are not following. People reacted to the post and poster and asked questions. Person left and came back and never addressed anything that was said at all.
People have also not followed up with it either or asked anything when poster came back.
It's just floating in the universe.
this is a good point. I'm following. Not about the specifics, but how these people are floating in the universe, like Thisbitch was with her face masks.
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pobre
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Post by pobre on May 22, 2018 13:11:30 GMT -6
You are not following. People reacted to the post and poster and asked questions. Person left and came back and never addressed anything that was said at all.
People have also not followed up with it either or asked anything when poster came back.
It's just floating in the universe.
this is a good point. I'm following. Not about the specifics, but how these people are floating in the universe, like Thisbitch was with her face masks. thisbitch did respond once called out, but it was a lot of fluff and nothingness and it's gone now so I can't even link to it. That face mask thread pissed me of so badly.
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Kida
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Post by Kida on May 22, 2018 13:12:35 GMT -6
You are not following. People reacted to the post and poster and asked questions. Person left and came back and never addressed anything that was said at all.
People have also not followed up with it either or asked anything when poster came back.
It's just floating in the universe.
Are you talking ctg30? What happened?
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mack
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Post by mack on May 22, 2018 13:12:51 GMT -6
You are not following. People reacted to the post and poster and asked questions. Person left and came back and never addressed anything that was said at all.
People have also not followed up with it either or asked anything when poster came back.
It's just floating in the universe.
this is a good point. I'm following. Not about the specifics, but how these people are floating in the universe, like Thisbitch was with her face masks. ohhhhhhhhhhh yeah McBenny, I think you are right that it was brushed over
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 13:12:53 GMT -6
LSJ was WK recently. Like last week? When I tried to shut it down, it was months ago. And I am acknowledging right now that I had no business policing others opinions especially regarding an interaction I was not involved in and didn't have all the information on. Whoops! Okay, a month ago. My time perception is a little off. 3 weeks off to be exact.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on May 22, 2018 13:13:34 GMT -6
I must read the face mask thing. Leaves to look.
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pobre
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Post by pobre on May 22, 2018 13:13:40 GMT -6
JK it's still there. Huh.
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Post by sterling on May 22, 2018 13:16:13 GMT -6
I must read the face mask thing. Leaves to look. It was just her sliding back as though shit never happened. And no one (including myself) calling her to the carpet.
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pobre
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Post by pobre on May 22, 2018 13:17:12 GMT -6
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on May 22, 2018 13:18:32 GMT -6
I am not bothered when people slide back to what's comfortable it's what is done in society so I should better say I am used to it.
I am just saying then a week or two later and we have people proclaiming I am going on WOC say solely, I tilt my head.
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brux
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Post by brux on May 22, 2018 13:21:14 GMT -6
There's such a wide gulf between Thisbitch's UO apology and the start of her I'm Here thread.
I don't comprehend how/why she doesn't see that.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 13:24:03 GMT -6
You have alluded to this kind of thing for many pages at this point. Do you have examples? Can you point to any posts? I'm not saying you are lying at all, I'm just trying to figure out how you are pushing this theory that low key racists are here and being totally harbored and it's no big deal. This whole thread is about it being a big deal. I just don't really understand I mean it wasn't a quiet thing. When I say things it turns into it being "a personal attack" in the narrative.
It's not a theory.
I didn't say anyone was harboring anything. People reacted right away, the person didn't respond anymore. Came back the next day and posting like nothing. Again, I am not saying anyone needs to be drug or not. What I am saying is that for me it was on the same level as TB, ripper, etc
So we either pick and choose who and what we defend or we treat all of them swiftly.
Can you say what/who it was? I genuinely feel I missed this interaction...like others have pointed out I worry that missing something leads to this kind of feeling and I don't want that to happen.
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Post by shan-ah-doo on May 22, 2018 13:25:42 GMT -6
this is a good point. I'm following. Not about the specifics, but how these people are floating in the universe, like Thisbitch was with her face masks. thisbitch did respond once called out, but it was a lot of fluff and nothingness and it's gone now so I can't even link to it. That face mask thread pissed me of so badly. And you were the first to call her out about her posting as if nothing.
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Post by brux on May 22, 2018 13:26:03 GMT -6
Circling back to the Ripper/Booby/GBCN, I have a topic that keeps running through my mind but I feel that my words will be read as problematic and I don't want to offend. I find myself uncertain that I can properly use written words to broach the subject, but McBenny is touching on it with "people proclaiming I am going on WOC say solely." Further, I'm feeling blind as to how my thoughts on this micro matter (ripper/booby/gbcn) impact a much more macro issue of prejudice and racism.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 13:26:16 GMT -6
There's such a wide gulf between Thisbitch's UO apology and the start of her I'm Here thread. I don't comprehend how/why she doesn't see that. I agree - while the post in the UO thread was fluffy, it at least sounded like she was open to listening?
The other post was yet again all about her and negated everything she said in her UO apology post. Like clearly you have not learned anything.
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Post by geekygirly on May 22, 2018 13:27:42 GMT -6
I've hesitated on posting for a long time, but I feel like I should post because I have a confession to make, and maybe other people who are staying silent are the same as me. I'm not even sure I'm going to word this properly so forgive me if I don't. When thisbitch talked about "acting white" as a term used primarily by POC to put down other POC, I was somewhat of the same belief. In my life, I had been fed and believed anecdotes about black kids and adults being accused of "acting white" if they tried to "better themselves." (I feel so awful even typing that now, but it is the truth.) I never understood why it was the case ("why would you want to keep your own people down?"), but I bought into it. And I was raised in a supposedly liberal, democratic family in a major, diverse city. I think I must have missed a lot of what happened in the original thread, but after the "I'm here" thread, I thought about what you all said, and then thought about the true implications of "better" being associated with "acting white" and was horrified. I had never really put two and two together before. Then I did some research online, and discovered that there were researchers in the 80s who concluded that black children were held back by their peers accusing them of "acting white" if they were successful in school. They even wrote books on this! Obviously, later research proved the original research to be full of crap, but that didn't stop the insidiousness of the narrative. And it is still being used to justify not spending resources on black schools, because "Obviously they are the ones holding themselves back, it couldn't possibly be the lack of resources we give them. Why should we bother giving them resources if they won't use them anyway?" (full sarcasm font there, in case you can't tell) I hit me like a ton of bricks that this whole "acting white" thing was a bunch of bullcrap being used to keep POC down. One article I read also addressed some of the anecdotes you still hear about it (like thisbitch's supposed story about the girl in school), and it was so obvious that kids are dumb-asses and there are always bullies. If they weren't using "acting white," they'd be using "nerd" or some other criticism -- but we don't have a narrative about white kids keeping themselves down. And the newest research even showed that teasing/bullying among POC has even less of an effect than on white kids...but no one talks about that...because people don't want to hear that. So here is my confession of being a total idiot and being unintentionally racist. I'm sure lots of you are shaking your heads at me right now. (I know I am at myself.) Also here are the articles I read in case anyone else is interested: www.theroot.com/the-acting-white-theory-doesn-t-add-up-1790895058www.vox.com/identities/2017/1/5/14175116/acting-white-myth-black-kids-academics-school-achievement-gap-debunked
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Post by brux on May 22, 2018 13:27:44 GMT -6
There's such a wide gulf between Thisbitch's UO apology and the start of her I'm Here thread. I don't comprehend how/why she doesn't see that. I agree - while the post in the UO thread was fluffy, it at least sounded like she was open to listening?
The other post was yet again all about her and negated everything she said in her UO apology post. Like clearly you have not learned anything.
What it tells me is that she didn't do anything to learn anything. She didn't do any self reflection that didn't end up with disbelief and feeling sorry for herself.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 13:30:02 GMT -6
this is a good point. I'm following. Not about the specifics, but how these people are floating in the universe, like Thisbitch was with her face masks. thisbitch did respond once called out, but it was a lot of fluff and nothingness and it's gone now so I can't even link to it. That face mask thread pissed me of so badly. Yes, you called it out and no one else picked up. Obviously we should have done better. I can only imagine as someone who this stuff directly affects, that it must feel annoying/maddening as fuck to just see white ladies constantly say "I hear you" and "we should do better." It's like apologizing with no intention of actually changing the behavior - a merry-go-round of patting ourselves on the back for doing that one good thing that one good time. I'm just babbling my stream of consciousness. I really DO want to do better, and I realize how problematic that 'want' is.
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Post by pixiepink24 on May 22, 2018 13:34:36 GMT -6
I'm SE Dekalb. I'm sure the increase in COL will soon have us going OTP but not Cobb. That’s exactly where we lived until yesterday. You could have been my neighbor all these years and we never have known. Good luck over there!
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Post by pobre on May 22, 2018 13:36:43 GMT -6
I didn't even call her out, I just mentioned it as an example. Plenty of people called her out in the original thread, which I missed in real time.
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