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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:34:44 GMT -6
President Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. I feel bad for him. Also he doesn’t owe us anything, IMO. He was treated like shit for 8 years by racist assholes. His family was too. And then a racist asshole was elected. He earned his right to sit it out. This is exactly where I am. I miss him and his leadership TERRIBLY BUT if I were him or Michelle I sure as shit wouldnt be putting myself/family back into that. Sasha and Malia are finishing high school/starting college, they are going to be much bigger targets now as young adults and as a parent I would want to shield them as well. |
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Post by byjove on Apr 10, 2018 12:38:42 GMT -6
I guess maybe I'm just hoping for some closure? So much happened at the end of the presidency and then he peaced out (I know, this is what he was supposed to do). Maybe it feels unfinished?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 12:39:10 GMT -6
I don't know that Obama, as popular as he was at the end of his term (and how missed he is now), coming in would do anything to help the Democrats right now. Part of the objection to HRC was the notion of "a continuation of Obama policies." A lot of people painted a Hillary Clinton presidency as eight more years of Obama. We know that Trump and his minions love to hate Obama and love to smear him. I see no value in him putting himself out there and giving Trump something to tweet about, which will, in turn, lead the media narrative to focus on the squabble between them rather than the brewing legal and political shitstorm above Trump's head. Don't give him anything else to use as a distraction, because many people will fall for a shiny object every time. My final thought is that the Democrats still aren't sure whether or not to make the midterms a referendum on Trump. It's broadly thought that it wouldn't be an effective strategy. So trotting out our former leader too heavily would imply, "I did a great job, even with huge obstacles, and this MFer is screwing it all up!" And that would turn the midterms into a Trump/anti-Trump election. Strategically, I don't think that's the right move. I think you make good points.
I have always been afraid that the Dems will screw up midterms by going all in on Trump, without being able to paint a clear picture as to who they are, and their ideas to fix the country.
In spite of this though, Barack Obama is a voice that the party needs. I am certainly not saying that he needs to stump for a shit load of candidates, no. My God, there's a lot BEHIND the scenes he can do to help develop young candidates.
The guy, and his people, know a thing or two about grassroots organizing. Not having him involved at all in the midterms at this point in our history to some extent would be a gross oversight on the Dems part. Its not like he comes with the same baggage they feel HRC does. Lets be real here. Barack is a very popular politician.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:39:31 GMT -6
things are getting started in the Hart building so I'm jumping over to that thread. I'm planning to watch Sarah's briefing later too and I'll post highlights in here. I'll hang in the briefing as much as I can At least she isnt wearin green today Shes talking about Qatar (I think she isn't pronouncing it Cutter) We need to work with the united gulf council to stand against Iran. Potus talked to PM May and condemned Assad. Potus will not attend the summit in coloumbia and Vpotus will attend instead. Potus is pleased to welcome some football team who won something. (Its Alabama, Roll Tide) |
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:40:21 GMT -6
Its Nadias bday and she goes first
She is asking about response to Syria
Weve been clear working with partners and allies not gonna get ahead of what we're gonna do
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:41:04 GMT -6
In what way is the raid an attack on our country?
POTUS is clear on this refers back to his comments.
Does he have power to fire Mueller
'he certainly believes he does'
well fuck
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:41:34 GMT -6
Is potus thinking about Rosenstein
refers to DOJ, potus is frustrated.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:42:14 GMT -6
Is he still willing to talk to spec coun?
refers back to personal attorneys...LOL
What about Wray?
Refers back to DOJ
she hasnt talked to him about Wray
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 12:42:23 GMT -6
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:43:10 GMT -6
We attacked Syria while he was at MAL why not go to Columbia?
Well as i'm sure you're aware MAL is IN the US. NatSec wants him in country during response.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 10, 2018 12:44:20 GMT -6
I don't know that Obama, as popular as he was at the end of his term (and how missed he is now), coming in would do anything to help the Democrats right now. Part of the objection to HRC was the notion of "a continuation of Obama policies." A lot of people painted a Hillary Clinton presidency as eight more years of Obama. We know that Trump and his minions love to hate Obama and love to smear him. I see no value in him putting himself out there and giving Trump something to tweet about, which will, in turn, lead the media narrative to focus on the squabble between them rather than the brewing legal and political shitstorm above Trump's head. Don't give him anything else to use as a distraction, because many people will fall for a shiny object every time. My final thought is that the Democrats still aren't sure whether or not to make the midterms a referendum on Trump. It's broadly thought that it wouldn't be an effective strategy. So trotting out our former leader too heavily would imply, "I did a great job, even with huge obstacles, and this MFer is screwing it all up!" And that would turn the midterms into a Trump/anti-Trump election. Strategically, I don't think that's the right move. I think you make good points.
I have always been afraid that the Dems will screw up midterms by going all in on Trump, without being able to paint a clear picture as to who they are, and their ideas to fix the country.
In spite of this though, Barack Obama is a voice that the party needs. I am certainly not saying that he needs to stump for a shit load of candidates, no. My God, there's a lot BEHIND the scenes he can do to help develop young candidates.
The guy, and his people, know a thing or two about grassroots organizing. Not having him involved at all in the midterms at this point in our history to some extent would be a gross oversight on the Dems part. Its not like he comes with the same baggage they feel HRC does. Lets be real here. Barack is a very popular politician.
Absolutely! My personal opinion is that he would be really helpful in GOTV/register to vote efforts bc he gets people fired up. I don't think he's going to help us win over any independents we don't already have, but I think he could really help us improve voter turnout among those who already identify as Dems. I'm no Bruno Gianelli, so you probably shouldn't listen to me. But those are my two cents. |
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:44:31 GMT -6
Jackie is trying to follow up and SHS aint having it. because Alabama is in the house so they're tight on time. Football way more important than anything impacting this country
So is he denying an affair
No conversations w/potus on DAG or FBI Director
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Post by fatpony on Apr 10, 2018 12:46:04 GMT -6
The press corp is HEATED.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:46:12 GMT -6
We shouldnt be focusing on this witch hunt we need to focus on important things like ISIS Syria etc oh and football teams
If this was a witch hunt what about 13 indictments?
arent you party to this witch hunt?
dont conflate the two
But you're in agreement with Mueller in some regards,
We've taken actions (sanctions) that doesnt mean the campaign had anything to do with that
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Post by dc2london on Apr 10, 2018 12:46:16 GMT -6
I think he's going to sack Rosenstein on Friday night. My spidey senses are tingling.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:47:05 GMT -6
POTUS is pretty clear with his frustrations.
If Pruitt lied during interview w/Fox News would that be problematic?
Not going to get into hypothetical.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:47:49 GMT -6
Is the raid under the umbrella of Russia?
They are separate investigation and publicly they've been conflated.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:49:27 GMT -6
April potus said he was compliant, if he was why was a search warrant (NO KNOCK BTW) needed
refers back to Cohen
missed some
end of Bossert question
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:50:47 GMT -6
nothing to add on the cross the line quote
POTUS will need to order DAG to fire Mueller
its gonna happen shes being way to cagey about this he has the power to make that decision.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:51:14 GMT -6
are we looking for confirmation of chemical weapons?
can't get into classified info
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:52:01 GMT -6
Gizzi askes about changes in personnel.
nothing to report
Bolton was highly critical in an op-ed
nothing to change.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:52:35 GMT -6
Is potus still gonna pull troops out of Syria
no change from yesterday
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:53:44 GMT -6
US Atty Berman is he still gonna have a job at the end of the week?
No personnel
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:54:20 GMT -6
What about China's rhetoric?
Will that make us back off on tariffs?
We want to see concrete steps
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Post by fatpony on Apr 10, 2018 12:54:29 GMT -6
April's second question was if Trump had ever considered resigning. SHS called it a ridiculous question.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 12:55:23 GMT -6
Do you feel we will see concrete actions?
We certainly hope so we're gonna keep moving forward. (I expected MAXIMUM PRESSURE to come out of her mouth)
we want to see more than just words.
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Post by hawkeye2015 on Apr 10, 2018 12:58:01 GMT -6
I don't know that Obama, as popular as he was at the end of his term (and how missed he is now), coming in would do anything to help the Democrats right now. Part of the objection to HRC was the notion of "a continuation of Obama policies." A lot of people painted a Hillary Clinton presidency as eight more years of Obama. We know that Trump and his minions love to hate Obama and love to smear him. I see no value in him putting himself out there and giving Trump something to tweet about, which will, in turn, lead the media narrative to focus on the squabble between them rather than the brewing legal and political shitstorm above Trump's head. Don't give him anything else to use as a distraction, because many people will fall for a shiny object every time. My final thought is that the Democrats still aren't sure whether or not to make the midterms a referendum on Trump. It's broadly thought that it wouldn't be an effective strategy. So trotting out our former leader too heavily would imply, "I did a great job, even with huge obstacles, and this MFer is screwing it all up!" And that would turn the midterms into a Trump/anti-Trump election. Strategically, I don't think that's the right move. I think you make good points.
I have always been afraid that the Dems will screw up midterms by going all in on Trump, without being able to paint a clear picture as to who they are, and their ideas to fix the country.
In spite of this though, Barack Obama is a voice that the party needs. I am certainly not saying that he needs to stump for a shit load of candidates, no. My God, there's a lot BEHIND the scenes he can do to help develop young candidates.
The guy, and his people, know a thing or two about grassroots organizing. Not having him involved at all in the midterms at this point in our history to some extent would be a gross oversight on the Dems part. Its not like he comes with the same baggage they feel HRC does. Lets be real here. Barack is a very popular politician.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:02:40 GMT -6
I think you make good points.
I have always been afraid that the Dems will screw up midterms by going all in on Trump, without being able to paint a clear picture as to who they are, and their ideas to fix the country.
In spite of this though, Barack Obama is a voice that the party needs. I am certainly not saying that he needs to stump for a shit load of candidates, no. My God, there's a lot BEHIND the scenes he can do to help develop young candidates.
The guy, and his people, know a thing or two about grassroots organizing. Not having him involved at all in the midterms at this point in our history to some extent would be a gross oversight on the Dems part. Its not like he comes with the same baggage they feel HRC does. Lets be real here. Barack is a very popular politician.
Isn't that exactly what his new foundation is focusing on? I believe so - which is partly why I said before that I was sort of waiting to see what happens, come midterms. |
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Post by cakewench on Apr 10, 2018 13:23:46 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:40:30 GMT -6
I think he's going to sack Rosenstein on Friday night. My spidey senses are tingling. This is where I'm at. The whole Friday Night Massacre aspect, and that there's literally NO adults in the room to tell him that he should absolutely NOT do that. |
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